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Oh I do realize that GW would be quite expensive.

I plan on using stormtroopers/widow makers for guard
Valkir for all the power armored troops
Leviathans as my Dreadknights.
I still plan on using GW stuff for the tanks and contemptors for the dreads

Either way these guys are going to look really cool.

They look glorious!!

Update #132 Jul 8 2014
Assembled Valkir Assault Trooper
In the last update I showed you shots of the sprues that China kindly provided me.

This afternoon I received A few copies of the T1 shots and dove right in. This was the first figure I assembled because I have a test print available for comparisons. It went together with no fussing and I can honestly say it is better than my dusty test print.

I was so pleased with the early T1 that I needed to take some shots and post an update.

The only issue I found was the fill on the commander’s sword, they are aware of this issue and adjusting the runner to deal with it.

Through this week, as time allows I will assemble a squad of Assault and a squad of Support troopers in their normal states as well as in a few of the optional states to show the Stahl helm and tabard/equipment options.

Cheers!

Mark

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Agreed, that looks marvelous. Makes the space marine look silly next to it!

So, it looked from the sprue pics like there are only 5 swords, meaning there are no spares and we have no choice but to assemble at least one fifth of our assault Valkir with that pommel-stroking pose.

At least it will be easy to snip the tip and swap it for a blade, I guess.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, it looked from the sprue pics like there are only 5 swords, meaning there are no spares and we have no choice but to assemble at least one fifth of our assault Valkir with that pommel-stroking pose.

At least it will be easy to snip the tip and swap it for a blade, I guess.

Until an accessory set is released... there will be pommel stroking for all

 NoseGoblin wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, it looked from the sprue pics like there are only 5 swords, meaning there are no spares and we have no choice but to assemble at least one fifth of our assault Valkir with that pommel-stroking pose.

At least it will be easy to snip the tip and swap it for a blade, I guess.

Until an accessory set is released... there will be pommel stroking for all

Not a fan of that pose, to be honest. Especially as an "enforced pose", due to lack of arm options. Will there actually be an accessory set, and if so, how much later than the stuff we're still waiting for? Oh, and any chance of answering RT's question of "when"? At this point it might be nice to see WGF send an extra wave of the stuff that's finished, so people get something in 2014...

After looking at Infinity, Malifaux and Dreamforge minis lately I was shocked at how cartoony the new Space Wolves from that limited boxed set felt to me.

Keep up the great work!

That is just a test pose, I am sure that different minis can be set you differently, but they do look more serious than SM of late who with true scale minis popping up seem like a form of Sontaran force from Dr. Who!
Not the 7ft tall uber soldiers as IG seem at times taller

Look, they are even clad in blue!!!!

 NoseGoblin wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, it looked from the sprue pics like there are only 5 swords, meaning there are no spares and we have no choice but to assemble at least one fifth of our assault Valkir with that pommel-stroking pose.

At least it will be easy to snip the tip and swap it for a blade, I guess.

Until an accessory set is released... there will be pommel stroking for all

Was the stormtrooper accessory kit worthwhile for you as a product (ie. is it selling)? I've found it to be an amazing product as a user into modeling and have recommended it to a number of people for use with other ranges, I really hope you do one for Valkir too. If you want feedback on things to include I'd happily brainstorm some thoughts on what was good and what was less good about the Stormtrooper one. Regardless, I'm sure it'll be great and will deffo pick some up.

Has there been any progress on additions to our wave 3 orders as a "sorry for the delay"? It seems strange to be asking to buy more stuff for an apology... but damn, your stuff is amazing and I'm kicking myself for not adding APCs, standard Valkir and stormtrooper command squads. Adding them to our orders will help us Aussies a lot as shipping from china is far cheaper than shipping from the US.

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The only pieces on the Valkir kit that seem less than 100% awesome to me are perhaps the pistol and sword. They seem a bit too... flat? generic? Hard to say. Painting a nice powerblade effect could liven the sword up enough, it's hard to say. Looking forward to trying!

The weapon is underwhelming, since it's a bit long - looks much more like a SMG than a pistol, while the very static pose (especially due to the pommel-sword) makes it look really stiff - a "pointing" hand ould have looked much better with the at-rest sword, while a more dynamic body would potentially go with the "firing a bolter one-handed" arm.

Basically, all the parts look ok individually, but don't work so well together. I wonder if Marine arms would fit under though DFG shoulderpads - a good solution with a lot of pose options, if so.

 NoseGoblin wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, it looked from the sprue pics like there are only 5 swords, meaning there are no spares and we have no choice but to assemble at least one fifth of our assault Valkir with that pommel-stroking pose.

At least it will be easy to snip the tip and swap it for a blade, I guess.

Until an accessory set is released... there will be pommel stroking for all

It just doesn't make sense, though. The right hand is saying "I'm chill" while the left screams "die muthatrucka". The only part of the battlefield I can think of where an elite trooper would be both shooting enemies and holding his sword at rest rather than at the ready is the camp where they concentrate the POWs. And is that really where you want your sci-fi Germans going?

Maybe he's posing for a painting?

Usually people explain awkward poses with phrases like 'historical accuracy' or 'they need to rank up'. I'm curious why you chose that particular pose. Please share?


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I have to disagree with Azazel about the weapon sizes. If powered armor doesn't allow us to carry around funk-huge weapons of imperious size, then there really isn't a point.


Besides saving lives, I guess. If you care about that kind of thing.

Yeah, I don't think it's so much the arm, but the combination of that arm with the static body. Dunno, I guess my suspension of disbelief for firing carbines and SMGs like oversized pistols works better with charging forward action poses than standing around, holding onto one's sword pommel.




Dunno, maybe it's the side-facing? Or maybe I'm just so used to silly poses from Space Marines that they don't register, while this one does? Or maybe it's just that combination of parts (arms)?

But yeah, it is a bit "calmly executing", isn't it? Good thing they're multipose multipart plastics. I'll sub in a SM pointing arm, sling the SMG and be golden. Maybe cut and pose any extra squad leaders to be waving the sword instead.

That pose will look good with the sword stuck in a SM. Probably more vertical though. Callously executing an injured SM with the sword whilst shooting one in the head with the pistol. Think of the dioramas, and the narratives we could forge!

Azazel, I see where you're coming from now.

I agree with your point about dynamic posing completely. Guns that might seem ludicrous on a normal person just look kickass on someone "drawn the Marvel way". It's the difference between Tre' Manor's Reaper work, which looks great from just about every angle, and the majority of Reaper stuff from Derek Schupert or Keith Patrick or whoever the hell is still sculpting minis with both legs stiffly together and arms swinging wildly about (andcin this day and age!).

Also, the gun looks askew, as if the iron sights it should have would align with the dude's shoulder and not with his eyes. It looks like the recoil vector is not pointed back toward his center or mass but past his elbow or something. It just looks off. But that's pretty minor compared to the rest of him standing around with his hand full of tang choking it to the hilt guard deep in his own fist beating his sword into a plowshare gripping his keen blade.

TLR
He looks too relaxed with his sword drooping like that.

Actually, Azazelx, couldn't you use the whole left arm and just use the pointy-finger hand from SM kits? The arm is almost straight out anyway, you'd preserve the integrity of the look.

I actually find myself wondering if there's a noticeable difference between the hands of the Val'kir and the ST. If there's not an appreciable difference then the hands on the ST accessory kit could come into play as well. Hard to judge from the photos if that's the case though.

Gentlemen, I find your complete lack of imagination astounding. Clearly Sten, I will call him Sten, has a massive case of armor bite and the severe rash it has caused has left him with the propensity of a more static attack rather than his typical, jumping around like a ninja.

Or Perhaps Sten was just discussing with his squad leader the finer points of an al dente spaetzle recipe when the firefight broke out. Sten, annoyed at the interruption, casually raised his assault gun and dispatched the interloper, promptly returning to his previous argument of who the better unit cook was.

I like to view this pose as an FU pose. A soldier so confident in his protection he plants his sword in a statement ‘I own this block, come and take it’ and begins blasting away.

On a more serious note:
The reality is that you are provided two static and three action poses. Not everyone has to be jumping around in order to paint a scene. If you do not like it you can use a leg set from the Valkir set (same exact leg parts) and the arms from a Valkir and with a little work end up with what you desire. I am more than happy with the selection offered, this is a five man team if you want more options we would need to go to a ten man team and that increases the costs and it was not what was offered. All the poses were put before the members of this forum months ago so the pose selection should not come as a surprise. (Assuming you were following the threads since then).

As to the shipping of the 15mm kits to those who have nothing ell’s coming, it sounds fine with me but I am not the one that would be making that call. It is not my staff that would be used so I can hardly volunteer WGF for any such arrangements. I am more than happy to discuss the option and will do so but to my knowledge the kits are not on the water, I really don’t know.
My concentration and time has been spent on the other kits still in progress, box art instructions and test assemblies.

 NoseGoblin wrote:
Gentlemen, I find your complete lack of imagination astounding. Clearly Sten, I will call him Sten, has a massive case of armor bite and the severe rash it has caused has left him with the propensity of a more static attack rather than his typical, jumping around like a ninja.

Or Perhaps Sten was just discussing with his squad leader the finer points of an al dente spaetzle recipe when the firefight broke out. Sten, annoyed at the interruption, casually raised his assault gun and dispatched the interloper, promptly returning to his previous argument of who the better unit cook was.

Sadly, I can only exalt this once.

I see the pose as more like he just finished a close combat melee, and is resting his sword while taking potshots at the fleeing enemy.

 NoseGoblin wrote:
As to the shipping of the 15mm kits to those who have nothing ell’s coming, it sounds fine with me but I am not the one that would be making that call. It is not my staff that would be used so I can hardly volunteer WGF for any such arrangements. I am more than happy to discuss the option and will do so but to my knowledge the kits are not on the water, I really don’t know.

Finding that out, and in general a new estimate since Q2 is past and there's no chance at Q3, would be greatly appreciated. I do think you owe us such an update by this time... even if it's out of your hands, you're our source of information and have gone pretty dark on fulfillment news / timeline. Not saying anything is much worse than giving us the status straight up.

The pose above looks fine to me.

 RiTides wrote:

 NoseGoblin wrote:
As to the shipping of the 15mm kits to those who have nothing ell’s coming, it sounds fine with me but I am not the one that would be making that call. It is not my staff that would be used so I can hardly volunteer WGF for any such arrangements. I am more than happy to discuss the option and will do so but to my knowledge the kits are not on the water, I really don’t know.

Finding that out, and in general a new estimate since Q2 is past and there's no chance at Q3, would be greatly appreciated. I do think you owe us such an update by this time... even if it's out of your hands, you're our source of information and have gone pretty dark on fulfillment news / timeline. Not saying anything is much worse than giving us the status straight up.

The pose above looks fine to me.

Was that the question Azazelx was alluding to? If it was then I am sorry but I likely do not have the answer you want.

I do not hold my answers back from you, if I knew, I would tell you. I have nothing to gain by not being upfront on this matter. I speak with my account rep about three times per week. Each time I ask how are we doing, where is this file at now, what is our current ship date. The answer is "it is in progress and we are shooting for Q3". The simple fact is he knows as much as I do. The files are being worked on and until that process is complete, he cannot send them to me for approval or changes and until I can look at them and find out if there needs to be revisions, there is simply no way for me to extrapolate a date until I have approved the files.

Not the answer you want I am sure, I can hardly blame you for being frustrated but you wanted the status straight up, and that's what I have and that is what I have been.

As to the water shipment, I will ask but I can safely assume it has not left China yet because I know my account rep would have told me if it did.

Ah, I was referring to the question on whether or not the items that are about to ship could go out to backers who are just waiting on those items (i.e. the 15mm arms and mortis models).

And I guess regarding the full delivery timeline, a secondary question was just finding out what the real date is. Because this is exactly what it seems they were telling you right up until Q2 ended... and I would just hate to be asking this same question in September with no idea of when the finish line is.

To be completely honest, I really love these models, but the projects I had intended them for are long since finished. Thankfully, I had your 4.5" tall resin Leviathans to tide me over since the 15mm Mortis is so delayed. But it just seems unacceptable for you to be in the dark, to be getting the same storyline as you were for Q2 with no consequences for Q2 having passed and the project being nowhere near completion, and getting the same storyline for Q3.

If there were a hard deadline of "everything on the water in November" I'd actually be really happy, because we'd know. But as it is, we just have no idea. The Q3 answer seems unacceptable given the amount left to do... and it's just too vague to have any idea of when we'll actually be able to have our pledges completed.

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So, there are two questions that I'm really hoping you can get clarity on:

1. Can the items that are about to be put on the water (presumably in the shipment of Secret Weapon's Tablescapes tiles to the US) be sent to backers who are only waiting on those items, rather than waiting until everything is finished?

2. When, realistically, will everything be finished? Q3 does not sound realistic at all to me, and we had the exact same answers about Q2. They are a business, they absolutely must be able to give better estimates than this...

 NoseGoblin wrote:
Gentlemen, I find your complete lack of imagination astounding. Clearly Sten, I will call him Sten, has a massive case of armor bite and the severe rash it has caused has left him with the propensity of a more static attack rather than his typical, jumping around like a ninja.

I find this explanation acceptable. I'm still curious why you sculpted an arm holding a sword in repose, however. It seems like the kind of thing that would work better on an accessory sprue.

Or Perhaps Sten was just discussing with his squad leader the finer points of an al dente spaetzle recipe when the firefight broke out. Sten, annoyed at the interruption, casually raised his assault gun and dispatched the interloper, promptly returning to his previous argument of who the better unit cook was.

I like to view this pose as an FU pose. A soldier so confident in his protection he plants his sword in a statement ‘I own this block, come and take it’ and begins blasting away.

On a more serious note:
The reality is that you are provided two static and three action poses. Not everyone has to be jumping around in order to paint a scene. If you do not like it you can use a leg set from the Valkir set (same exact leg parts) and the arms from a Valkir and with a little work end up with what you desire. I am more than happy with the selection offered, this is a five man team if you want more options we would need to go to a ten man team and that increases the costs and it was not what was offered. All the poses were put before the members of this forum months ago so the pose selection should not come as a surprise. (Assuming you were following the threads since then).

Oh, I'm not too troubled by the pose at all. two simple snips should fix it--and better yet allow me to swap out the blade for a Mantic Men at Arms sword! Or, since the wrist appears to be the connection point, I can just use the running legs and tilt the reverse-gripped sword into a full OJ pose. Or I can remove the hand altogether and give him an Ash-like blade hand.

However, when a KS project's rewards delivery stretches out past a certain amount of time, sometimes we backers find ways of keeping ourselves interested, not so much trolling as raging like heroes against time itself. Without the levity, this thread could become a lot worse.

And the pose is silly.



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 Yonan wrote:
That pose will look good with the sword stuck in a SM. Probably more vertical though. Callously executing an injured SM with the sword whilst shooting one in the head with the pistol. Think of the dioramas, and the narratives we could forge!

Why do we need to harsh on the space marines? Putting them down is unnecessary to point out the greatness of the Valkir design. It just comes across like a Star Wars nerd who needs to piss all over Star Trek in order to make himself feel like a winner. Besides, space marines are iconic for their own reasons and in their own style, and if BL hadn't murdered their brand I'd still be buying them in great numbers.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Why do we need to harsh on the space marines? Putting them down is unnecessary to point out the greatness of the Valkir design. It just comes across like a Star Wars nerd who needs to piss all over Star Trek in order to make himself feel like a winner. Besides, space marines are iconic for their own reasons and in their own style, and if BL hadn't murdered their brand I'd still be buying them in great numbers.

Yeah, the SM hate gets a bit old - you see the same thing in the Mantic threads (corporation). Though to me It comes across as more like bitter exes.

While I don't like GW as a company anymore, I do still like a great many of their products and designs. Think of it as still liking a band's music, or an actor's performances even after you find out that they are entitles douchebags in real life. Sometimes you can do it, sometimes, it's much harder. Kirby might be a douchebag, but I've grown up with the art, designs and sculpts of Naismith, Goodwin, Blanche, Kev Adams, the Perry Twins et al. Do I still buy their new products? Sure. Just not nearly as much as I used to or would if they weren't so adversarial. So a fraction of my spending now, as opposed to the vast majority.

Also, gents. Given NG's responses, I think it's highly likely that we're looking at an entire 2014 without anything showing up on our doorsteps. So.. after CNY 2015. We hope.

I spent $1500 on SMs recently, it's all in good fun! (here's the first half.)

(I'm going to have fun painting up these three tactical marines too!)
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Lookin' good! I love how they're still carrying the shield on their hip even with sword/gun held. I couldn't see an unequipped gun on the guys holding the shields, is that a thing?

Update #133 Jul 9 2014
Full Squad of Valkir Assault Troopers
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Today I had an opportunity to assemble a five man Valkir Assault Squad. My apologies for the out of focus guns on a few images but my camera skills are wanting. I think I will try manual focus next time and see where that gets me.

Enjoy!

Mark

I like the last pose for a post-melee shooting.

Maybe the guy leaning on his sword is just fighting Brazil...

Those Valkir look really good, and this is coming from someone who likes quite a bit of the 40K aesthetic. I'm not a KS backer, but I've been dropping into this thread from time to time and it amazes me that people are still waiting on product. No disrespect to anyone here, I just wouldn't have the polite patience to wait on something I paid for months (years?) In advance.

Is there a realistic estimate for when we might see a Valkir kit on a local retailer's shelf and what the retail price might be?

2 years after the KS, 1.5 years late for wave 3. Less late for previous waves. We're expecting late this year for wave 3 to arrive and hit retail.

The thread has remained largely positive which for the large delay is surprising. The product basically being the best in the market (imo, but hard to argue that it's not right up there on a technical level regardless) helps a lot, as does Marks updating us and being upfront about everything. Some people won't back WGF kickstarters due to delay fears, others will due to high quality. Both viewpoints are reasonable, complaining after the fact doesn't really contribute much but thankfully we've had virtually nothing unreasonable. Saying "this is really late, it sucks and I'm hesitant to back further KS from DFG and/or WGF" is reasonable and about the extent of it that I've seen.

Wow you stuff is looking great

 Azazelx wrote:
Basically, all the parts look ok individually, but don't work so well together. I wonder if Marine arms would fit under though DFG shoulderpads - a good solution with a lot of pose options, if so.

I remembered you saying this while I was cleaning some Sanguinary Guard power weapon arms last night. I think they'd probably fit great with these and "40k" them up substantially. Thanks to getting a bunch cheap ($1-$2 per 5) I have enough spare to lavish them on Valkir.

Nice score on those arms. Where did you get them?