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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Garfield666 wrote:
Gosh, I would buy a pack of multipart civilians from any era... ancient, medieval, napoleonic, victorian, modern, sci-fi...

Check Northmen Folk Rabble by Fireforge Games for medieval peasants I made regular peasant but also bandits/cultists from the kit. They are also compatible with Frostgrave for arms/heads swaps.

You mean the ape-people with hands twice as big as their heads and weapons that are way too big and thick?

You could say the same about many fantasy kits out there. Also how many hard plastic civilians do we have?

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Garfield666 wrote:
Gosh, I would buy a pack of multipart civilians from any era... ancient, medieval, napoleonic, victorian, modern, sci-fi...

Check Northmen Folk Rabble by Fireforge Games for medieval peasants I made regular peasant but also bandits/cultists from the kit. They are also compatible with Frostgrave for arms/heads swaps.

You mean the ape-people with hands twice as big as their heads and weapons that are way too big and thick?

You could say the same about many fantasy kits out there. Also how many hard plastic civilians do we have?

WGA's Boxers is pretty much the same concept, random dudes with improvised weapons and whatever they can get their hands on, except in a different time period and culture. And also with normally proportioned hands and weapons.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Garfield666 wrote:
Gosh, I would buy a pack of multipart civilians from any era... ancient, medieval, napoleonic, victorian, modern, sci-fi...

Check Northmen Folk Rabble by Fireforge Games for medieval peasants I made regular peasant but also bandits/cultists from the kit. They are also compatible with Frostgrave for arms/heads swaps.

You mean the ape-people with hands twice as big as their heads and weapons that are way too big and thick?

You could say the same about many fantasy kits out there. Also how many hard plastic civilians do we have?

WGA's Boxers is pretty much the same concept, random dudes with improvised weapons and whatever they can get their hands on, except in a different time period and culture. And also with normally proportioned hands and weapons.

Do they also have tools like buckets, brooms etc. ? Also the arms are in same cases ape like but you seem to exaggerating the size of hands and weapons/tools.

So, as a form of market research.....


What would your most desired conversion kits for wargames Atlantic plastics be? Assuming the conversion bits are also on plastic

Non-combatant arms. Stuff like arms with tools, open hands, holding cups/bottles, etc. Something that could be used with any of the human-sized Deathfields kits or even Stargrave crews.

A sprue to turn any kit into Winged Hussars, obviously.

 McDougall Designs wrote:
So, as a form of market research.....


What would your most desired conversion kits for wargames Atlantic plastics be? Assuming the conversion bits are also on plastic

Elite infantry weapons?
Especially for death fields kits stuff like hotshot-lasgun like guns come to mind? Sniper rifles? shotguns ?

Zombie conversion kit?

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Non-combatant arms. Stuff like arms with tools, open hands, holding cups/bottles, etc. Something that could be used with any of the human-sized Deathfields kits or even Stargrave crews.

I second this. I even have specific requests. A welding torch, a crowbar, a flashlight held in an overhand grip as a policeman or security might do when aiming a flashlight into a dark alley with their pistol ready in the other hand, and a bullhorn.

While I don't need them, I have seen metal signboards sold elsewhere such as demonstrators use, "Hell No, We Won't Go!" etc. One or two blank signs could go on such a sprue.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 McDougall Designs wrote:
So, as a form of market research.....


What would your most desired conversion kits for wargames Atlantic plastics be? Assuming the conversion bits are also on plastic

Elite infantry weapons?
Especially for death fields kits stuff like hotshot-lasgun like guns come to mind? Sniper rifles? shotguns ?

Any particular themes? Arms with chainmail and cloth? Epaulettes?

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Non-combatant arms. Stuff like arms with tools, open hands, holding cups/bottles, etc. Something that could be used with any of the human-sized Deathfields kits or even Stargrave crews.

Rather than arms, it might be more efficient in terms of sprue space to produce hands, which can then be easily glued onto arms after cutting off the originals. Otherwise, you need to produce different styles of sleeve for each different kit, unless you plan your kits far in advance to allow for this.

In addition to hands holding tools, I'd also like a bunch of simple empty hands. Almost every range could benefit from a load of generic hands making various gestures. At the moment, you've basically got 'pointing' and 'cupped for shouting' if you're lucky and those are rare.

Hands holding staves would be nice. Necromunda Delaque gangers would be perfect wyrdvane psyker stand-ins if they had some staves.

Different heads are likely to sell well. I'd like some bare (bald) heads with half-face gas masks, as seen on GW's genestealer cultists, and Mad Robot's 'dirty dogs'.

Chains. There's some on the cannon-fodder sprue, but not enough for a real penal battalion look.

Weapons are always going to be popular. Melee weapons and pistols are easiest to add to existing kits. Chainsaw swords and large-calibre machine pistols (i.e. bolt pistol stand-ins) seem likely to sell best. Sniper rifles, grenade launchers, and large-muzzled energy weapons (i.e. melta gun stand-ins) could be attractive too, although fitting them to existing kits might be problematic. A simple infantry mortar and some hands holding mortar shells would work with most kits.

Grenades. Generic enough to go on virtually any kit, add a lot of flavour. Mines, satchel-charges, etc. too.

I'm always in the market for pouches. I think most sci-fi kits are terribly under-supplied with LBE.

Backpack radios are a bit rare on WGA kits, but likely to be in some demand. Probably need to be kit-specific though.

Vehicle stowage is another option. GW do a sprue and you can use 1:35 historical stuff, but I think the market could bare a little more SF stowage.

Bunch of different flags might be an option. Most kits that include a flag only include one, so if you have multiples they start to look suspiciously similar. Just a rectangle of cloth draped or blowing in a handful of different ways would add a lot of variety.

Medals, badges, and rank insignia would be cool. Maybe some shaped to fit onto various factions' shoulder pads? Little numbers curved to glue onto the grognards' shoulder pads, for example, would allow you to distinguish squads. Larger flat insignia for vehicles and buildings too.

Letters and numbers for vehicles and buildings. Slater's do plastic alphabets, but the font is very 'modern'. Something in a serif typeface, or an angular sci-fi one would be nice.

I'd buy a whole sprue of random mechanical oddments to add more detail to home-made vehicles. Engines and chunky wheels are something I'm constantly short of. Not sure how big the market is though.

Plants for base decoration. Ferns, succulents, flowers, etc.

Rats and other vermin / small animals. Great for base and scenery decoration. How is there not already a sprue of plastic rats on the market?

Mutations kit? Like a few tentacle arms, with some wrapped around weapons like a makeshift hand. Spikes to put on bodies, a few mutated heads (like a few with small horns, maybe cyclops type, or no eyes, etc). Something to make some of the varied kits look like they could fit into say the old Lost and the Damned stuff from 40k.

Undead conversion bits. A few skeletal/zombie heads? Maybe some arms as well, with partial sleeves so that they can fit onto existing models without making them all look like they are wearing tank tops? Have a few of the arms holding guns at awkward angles, like some defaulting to using them as clubs, some firing from more unnatural angles, and some in a normal position, so that they can be built as mindless, semi-intelligent, and intelligent undead?

Wounded/Cybernetics. Let us build wounded / cybernetically enhanced people. Give us a few arms that end at the elbow, or one holding a crutch. Some cybernetic arms that start right at the shoulder, and others at elbow, and still more at hands. Give us hooks. Male and female heads with eyepatches, cybernetic eyes, and various scars.

I'd also second noncombatant arms/hands. Maybe easier to do a few sets of arms that end at the wrist, plus a bunch of hands holding specific items. Or arms with empty hands that are posed so that people can glue various items into them.

Several great ideas voiced already, I would echo all of those. I am keen to get anything that is not already in production to add to my kitbashing bits box.

As for the image with the full length dress/skirt… I am one of those posters that was very vocal about wanting the camp followers April joke to not be a joke. It would be great if that finally happens. But I am cool with female minis from any era and culture to be honest.

McDougall Designs, really good questions and I guess it depends a lot on price and quality. For their first add on sprue, IIRC they had 2 sets of guns, some gasmask heads and some other grubblings (bionic arm?). Some of which I liked, some I didn't. If it was cheap as chips (say $3-$5 a sprue) maybe, but since I have a tons of other sci fi bits I didn't get it.

Of course if I suddenly decided I need to do a literal army of Spanish Conquistadors In Space I might change my tune.

I like a lot of the ideas above and would just add sprues should be focused. So...

Mutation sprue, arms and heads and maybe some add ons. Heck if GW brought back their old sprue (and charged $5 LOL) I'd buy a ton.

Guns, some boxy sci fi laser/bullet/whatever guns with 1 or 2 big guns. Consistent design of 1 pattern of gun per sprue. One complaint I have about the existing sprue is there's the long laser guns which I don't like and boxy short guns which I do.

Modern guns, the WWZ survivors has this but I don't think they're sold separately. M16s, Ar15s, AK 47s, UZIs, MP5s, and RPG, you get the idea.

Cyborgs, heads, arms, chainsaw arms, a leg or two

Zombie bits, arms and heads mostly.

Tool hands or arms, also holding boxes or tool cases, or phones. Maybe some gesturing arms too.

Stowage, boxes, crates, ammo, good for bases and tanks.

Backpacks, a consistent set of big ruck sacks for a sci fi army on the move.

Of these I can swear I would buy the tool hands and boxes, with a probably for the various guns. Mutants and zombies would have to wait to see if a project idea motivates me, but bread and butter stuff like boxes I can use for almost anything.

Oh wait, one more!

Textured plastic bases. 25mm bases (and other sizes) with a basic broken earth or pavement or deck plate pattern. I've been buying the Rezolution bases in bulk and love them, I'd love to see more. I hate flocking bases, resin is tough to work with, but I'm fine with painting a pre-textured plastic base.

If the cost to WGA is the same (one cavity on mold), arms holding weapons are better than hands holding weapons, provided the arms have a nice cuff or bracelet at the wrist for easy cutting. Arms are better than just hands because you can always take the hand off an arm.

Honestly I think that one of the things WGA does that I think is a mistake is trying to be all things to all people. The Lizard men kit is a good example. There are modern weapons, black powder weapons, and medieval/ancient weapons, but not quite enough of any variety. I think they would be better served by picking one or two (at a stretch) styles of weapons per kit and doing them really well. As a result the kit ends up not being great at accomplishing any one modelling goal.

My suggestion for the conversion bits would not be a sprue with a little bit of everything, but a lot of one or two things.

Do a whole sprue of civilian arms holding various civilian-y things and hands in civilian-y gestures.

Do a whole sprue of arms holding exotic and heavy weapons, etc. Pick the arm styles based on whatever WGA sci-fi kits have sold the best. Etc.

I would personally love a sprue of medieval and or ancient shields. So many fantasy models have stupid stupid shields or no shields at all that I'm frequently replacing or adding them. Round shields, heater shields and kite shields, ten of each for example.

 Gallahad wrote:

Honestly I think that one of the things WGA does that I think is a mistake is trying to be all things to all people. The Lizard men kit is a good example. There are modern weapons, black powder weapons, and medieval/ancient weapons, but not quite enough of any variety. I think they would be better served by picking one or two (at a stretch) styles of weapons per kit and doing them really well. As a result the kit ends up not being great at accomplishing any one modelling goal.

Agreed 100%. Exactly the reason why I never bothered to get the kit.

Yes, in the case of the Lizard Men, focused upgrade sprues (ie, a dedicated sci-fi one, a dedicated medieval one) would help that kit a lot.

I only had need of one box (some I use sci fi, some I use for my dungeon crawl). But if there were more arms with a unified theme, I'd likely buy at least one more box.

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Yes, in the case of the Lizard Men, focused upgrade sprues (ie, a dedicated sci-fi one, a dedicated medieval one) would help that kit a lot.

I only had need of one box (some I use sci fi, some I use for my dungeon crawl). But if there were more arms with a unified theme, I'd likely buy at least one more box.

how about conversion sprues for the other sets, like the romans, or turning the einherjar into heavily armored fantasy dwarves?

I mentioned it before, but I'm all for conversion sets for the lizards- though I hole hope that a plastic one might one day come out.

I'd love a conversion kit for the Romans with an eye towards making them into Gondorians/Arnorians.

I don't see a point in conversion sprues that turn specific unit A into specific unit B. At that point just make a sprue that builds a full unit B.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I don't see a point in conversion sprues that turn specific unit A into specific unit B. At that point just make a sprue that builds a full unit B.

Bodies take up space that might otherwise get used for more interesting conversion fodder.

Also, as an aside if anyone is interested:

This is what two boxes of Aztecs, built and painted, looks like.

 McDougall Designs wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I don't see a point in conversion sprues that turn specific unit A into specific unit B. At that point just make a sprue that builds a full unit B.

Bodies take up space that might otherwise get used for more interesting conversion fodder.

Sure, but let me explain from a customer perspective. Of course I don't have your sales numbers on cannon fodder upgrades or anything, it might not be universal.

That sprue has 5 "Krieg" heads. If I wanted, say, a regiment of Krieg-headed Bulldogs I'd have to buy an upgrade sprue for each Bulldog sprue, essentially paying double per mini. I'm not gonna do that and you'll never make a single upgrade sprue sale from me.

If you make a sprue of just Krieg heads I'll happily do that project... but... I'll only need one or two sprues, so again poor sales overall even if people are using them. That's what I imagine happens.

Note I'm only talking about turning a specific unit into another specific unit, where it really comes out to just paying double for one unit. I have no problem with sprues meant to embellish any force (like the empty hands suggested above)

Honestly, thatt kind of stuff is precisely what 3d printing is good for: you can print a feth ton of heads on a single small printer's plate, which for a customer means that they can almost certainly print all the heads they need in a single go if the files are available, and for a company it means they can sell them as 3d printed bits if they so choose with a good ROI.

You would think that, but I have been very hard pressed to find any 3d print shops that offer bits like you explain Albertorious (McDougal being the exception).

If you know of any other shops that offer bits please let me know. Especially shops that have actual pictures of their prints next to a ruler or comparison miniature or something rather than a sea of renders.

 Gallahad wrote:
You would think that, but I have been very hard pressed to find any 3d print shops that offer bits like you explain Albertorious (McDougal being the exception).

If you know of any other shops that offer bits please let me know. Especially shops that have actual pictures of their prints next to a ruler or comparison miniature or something rather than a sea of renders.

There is a lot of bits for Warhammer stuff, but usually just that, hence the added caveat of them being available.

What I was saying is that for that kind of stuff 3d printing is mostly superior to expensive extra sprues that might not sell too well.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
You would think that, but I have been very hard pressed to find any 3d print shops that offer bits like you explain Albertorious (McDougal being the exception).

If you know of any other shops that offer bits please let me know. Especially shops that have actual pictures of their prints next to a ruler or comparison miniature or something rather than a sea of renders.

There is a lot of bits for Warhammer stuff, but usually just that, hence the added caveat of them being available.

What I was saying is that for that kind of stuff 3d printing is mostly superior to expensive extra sprues that might not sell too well.

Can you send me links to the shops? I genuinely just don't know of any shops selling 3d printed heads for Warhammer for example.

Just go on Etsy and type warhammer head

 McDougall Designs wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 McDougall Designs wrote:
So, as a form of market research.....


What would your most desired conversion kits for wargames Atlantic plastics be? Assuming the conversion bits are also on plastic

Elite infantry weapons?
Especially for death fields kits stuff like hotshot-lasgun like guns come to mind? Sniper rifles? shotguns ?

Any particular themes? Arms with chainmail and cloth? Epaulettes?

The problem, as has been pointed out with upgrade sprues is indeed how are they available.

I think a Heavy armor torso and say heavy infantry weaponry like hot-shots on top of a normal Deathfields for the same price would be nice and maybee safe you considerable tooling time. Other than that, heavy weapons sprue and bases might sell well aswell?

 Albertorius wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
You would think that, but I have been very hard pressed to find any 3d print shops that offer bits like you explain Albertorious (McDougal being the exception).

If you know of any other shops that offer bits please let me know. Especially shops that have actual pictures of their prints next to a ruler or comparison miniature or something rather than a sea of renders.

There is a lot of bits for Warhammer stuff, but usually just that, hence the added caveat of them being available.

What I was saying is that for that kind of stuff 3d printing is mostly superior to expensive extra sprues that might not sell too well.

You say that, but my sales says otherwise. It seems people don't want to use resin conversion bits for plastic miniatures. hence the conversion sprue idea.

@lord_Blackfang.

I sell the death fields conversion sprues for $4.50 each.

if you are only using that for the heads, i agree it is a bit much (Especially if all you are interested in is the lowest priced miniature possible.)

odds are though that you will find uses for the other bits on the sprue.

Has anyone picks of WGA conquistadors alongside GW empire troops?

I cannot find them, only compared with Warlords Conquistadors.

Here is a GW Greatsword, a GW state troop, A fireforge northman, and a Conq Arquebusier and a a Conq swordsman. Forgive my crappy picture taking.

I have more pictures of the conquistadors and Warlord landsknechts using conquistador bits at the Wargames atlantic forum... here: https://wargamesatlantic.com/community/xenforum/topic/60988/my-first-conquistadors