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I was wondering is there any segregation or racism in the Tau empire? Perhaps the humans that joined the Tau are not allowed to eat in the same restaurant or fall in love with a Tau female? Or not just humans.

Heres a situation:

Fire Warrior redneck: Get of my lawn you no good Wasps. I give 1 minute to take that ball of yours and get out!

Or maybe it’s the other way around! Perhaps in some certain cities where Vespids or Kroots live they dislike each other more. Perhaps there are some rascist gangs (skin heads)
Or is the Empire actually so kined and loveing to the people that join it?

I've never read anything to suggest as such, but I would expect there to be friction between the races. Take a look at our own society in the past, and this was within the same species. Tau are very different from Kroot and the Vepsid. They may all serve the same goal overall, but they have different ways of life, different morals, social codes. Confrontation is a certainty unless they are all kept very separate off of the battlefield. Makes the Empire a whole lot less unified if this were the case.

There is some indications to this, but nothing actual. Only prof of this can be found in DC - Tau Ending and one Ultramarine novel. Example can see also seen in Taros campaign, where Tau give captured guardsman a choice: be eaten alive by Kroot or work in a mines until you die. And that they use Gue'Vesa as cannon fodder.

But I am Imperial and use Imperial data. We actually don't have any data about Tau life. We only know that they have castes, that they are psychically different from caste to caste and that they are eager to live in alliance. We also know that they are conquerors and that they are slowly gaining territory ( but in recent time they have more defeats then victories, they gained only 2 worlds so far beyond the borders of their empire ).

We also knew they didn't love each other until Etherials united them. there may still be some racism there, but I think that loyalty to Grater Good and Etherials come before that.

But I am Imperial and use Imperial data. We actually don't have any data about Tau life. We only know that they have castes, that they are psychically different from caste to caste and that they are eager to live in alliance. We also know that they are conquerors and that they are slowly gaining territory ( but in recent time they have more defeats then victories, they gained only 2 worlds so far beyond the borders of their empire ).

Yeah and also they lost 2 planets one to chaos (Some Nurgle fanatic army) and the other to the Imperium so those two planets they conquered jut replaced the two worlds they lost.

So are they proboly mostly racist to humans that join them?

bob the heretic wrote:
Yeah and also they lost 2 planets one to chaos (Some Nurgle fanatic army) and the other to the Imperium so those two planets they conquered jut replaced the two worlds they lost.

So are they proboly mostly racist to humans that join them?

Don't forget the one consumed by Necrons... Probably yes, the way they use Human "helpers" all suggest to that. But we will sure get hit by Tau fans some time today....

not the Tau fan.........

From the codex. Ke'lshan: This sept has suffered a great deal at the hands of all manner of alien races and the inhabitants have become mistrustful of those not know to them. Unfriendly and sometimes openly hostile to alien races.

there is certaintly segragation, not as extreame as your suggestion, but its there.


the Tau don't permit Tau of different castes to interbreed so Tau and any other race certaintly would be a no go.

Humans from planets that don't join willingly are sterilized. only those humans that are willing followers of the Tau can breed.


the Kroot and Vespids were willing followers of the Tau and so weren't sterilized.



the Tau do consider any Geu'la to be 2nd class citizens. Geu'la Auxiliary are not fully equipped with Tau equipment, normally they might have Tau body armor and some Tau heavy weapons, but they will usually be stuck with Lasguns, heavy Bolters, lascannons, and whatever vehicles they have access to.

the Tau do consider any Geu'la to be 2nd class citizens. Geu'la Auxiliary are not fully equipped with Tau equipment, normally they might have Tau body armor and some Tau heavy weapons, but they will usually be stuck with Lasguns, heavy Bolters, lascannons, and whatever vehicles they have access to.

sorry but the word"Geu'la" means "Xeno"? And if it does then arent Kroots and Vespids also second class?

sorry but the word"Geu'la" means "Xeno"? And if it does then arent Kroots and Vespids also second class?

Geu- is the tau word from humanoids, with the 'la meaning guardsmen.

Kroot seem to be seen as higher than vespid, as there is speculation that the helmets the tau give the bugs is for 'communication' is also some sort of mind control device.

Tau don't like that Kroot's savageness, but they respect them as fighters and citizens.

Kroot are also 2nd class citizens, slightly above humans.

Vespids are more respected then Kroot are.

Kroot are also 2nd class citizens, slightly above humans.
Vespids are more respected then Kroot are

I actually believe that Vespids are more respected then Kroots, beacuse they are mined controlled by the etherals.
By the way even though in the Tau Empire there are many differant classes can a Tau, Kroot, Vespid, and human still be friends?

and be like

Human: Lets go to the Tau strip club!
Kroot: Heck no! Kroot strip bar, dude
Tau: No way, Tau chicks are hotter
Vespid: Buzzzzzzzz Buzzzzz Buzzzzzz
Human: Yeah I agree with him.

they can be friends.

exactly what kind of friends is restricted.


BTW: you might Check out the Web comic Eatattau

Breeding takes place strictly in one caste, so I guess a Gue'vesa wouldn't be allowed to fall in love with a Tau female as he is of a different caste. I would imagine that much like with our own society, there was friction between tau and kroot and vespids at first, but as they are accepted into the Greater Good they become more accepted in society.

Why are all these xeno hate topics, most notably Tau keep popping up? its getting pretty ridiculous.
But all the things being discussed here is just rumored, speculated, or made up completely. There really is not much evidence to support either way, so those that like Tau speculate in the most optimistic kinda way while all the people who are haters of Tau try to interpret things in the worst way possible. Leme try and give you the opposite non xeno hate fanatic side of things
1.) Racism? really? theres racism in every species. But there has never been anything written saying that it is mandatory or promoted by the caste system. An vespid/kroot/human colonists do not live on the Tau home worlds. The kroot "citizens" if you will do not migrate to Tau worlds, and Vespid obviously dont because they do not speak the same language as the Tau
2.) Empire Size? You guys were a little off about your expansion/ planet reduction estimate. This isnt speculation, its just a fact you were wrong.lol There were MANY planets conquered by the Tau after the crusade against them pulled back. It is never said how many, and not all have been made into colonies yet. You cant also know if they have lost more battles than they have won. Its quite impossible to know
3.) Sterilization- This keeps coming up b/c of ONE stupid game ending on ONE planet. That whole story came out of no where, and if you played the game you would know the whole story of it sucked. An it wasnt even done at the orders of the Tau leaders, just the leader who conquered the planet. Same with the massacre on the IG world, and that "be gassed or mined" stuff your trying to pass off as the standard treatment of humans
4.) Finally the brain control Device. Its a translator, like I said vespid speak a different language and the only form of communication is by that helmet they have stran leaders wear. Without that its impossible to communicate with the other vespid. Any talk about it being a mind control device is made up speculation

So in conclusion is there mandatory racism as promoted by the ethreals and caste system? No. Is there "racism" of course, theres even racism in our world

darkcloud92 wrote:Why are all these xeno hate topics, most notably Tau keep popping up? its getting pretty ridiculous.
But all the things being discussed here is just rumored, speculated, or made up completely. There really is not much evidence to support either way, so those that like Tau speculate in the most optimistic kinda way while all the people who are haters of Tau try to interpret things in the worst way possible. Leme try and give you the opposite non xeno hate fanatic side of things
1.) Racism? really? theres racism in every species. But there has never been anything written saying that it is mandatory or promoted by the caste system. An vespid/kroot/human colonists do not live on the Tau home worlds. The kroot "citizens" if you will do not migrate to Tau worlds, and Vespid obviously dont because they do not speak the same language as the Tau
2.) Empire Size? You guys were a little off about your expansion/ planet reduction estimate. This isnt speculation, its just a fact you were wrong.lol There were MANY planets conquered by the Tau after the crusade against them pulled back. It is never said how many, and not all have been made into colonies yet. You cant also know if they have lost more battles than they have won. Its quite impossible to know
3.) Sterilization- This keeps coming up b/c of ONE stupid game ending on ONE planet. That whole story came out of no where, and if you played the game you would know the whole story of it sucked. An it wasnt even done at the orders of the Tau leaders, just the leader who conquered the planet. Same with the massacre on the IG world, and that "be gassed or mined" stuff your trying to pass off as the standard treatment of humans
4.) Finally the brain control Device. Its a translator, like I said vespid speak a different language and the only form of communication is by that helmet they have stran leaders wear. Without that its impossible to communicate with the other vespid. Any talk about it being a mind control device is made up speculation

So in conclusion is there mandatory racism as promoted by the ethreals and caste system? No. Is there "racism" of course, theres even racism in our world

I didn't create this topic but people have rights to make whatever threads to ask whatever they want as long as the threads have a purpose and obey forum rules. So if you don't like this thread just ignore it but don't come here and say don't discuss.

As for the Tau badness, look at a thread I created for that in which I and Redscare have put up evidence for that, so stop whining and about so-called Tau hate.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

darkcloud92 wrote:Why are all these xeno hate topics, most notably Tau keep popping up? its getting pretty ridiculous.
But all the things being discussed here is just rumored, speculated, or made up completely. There really is not much evidence to support either way, so those that like Tau speculate in the most optimistic kinda way while all the people who are haters of Tau try to interpret things in the worst way possible. Leme try and give you the opposite non xeno hate fanatic side of things
1.) Racism? really? theres racism in every species. But there has never been anything written saying that it is mandatory or promoted by the caste system. An vespid/kroot/human colonists do not live on the Tau home worlds. The kroot "citizens" if you will do not migrate to Tau worlds, and Vespid obviously dont because they do not speak the same language as the Tau
2.) Empire Size? You guys were a little off about your expansion/ planet reduction estimate. This isnt speculation, its just a fact you were wrong.lol There were MANY planets conquered by the Tau after the crusade against them pulled back. It is never said how many, and not all have been made into colonies yet. You cant also know if they have lost more battles than they have won. Its quite impossible to know
3.) Sterilization- This keeps coming up b/c of ONE stupid game ending on ONE planet. That whole story came out of no where, and if you played the game you would know the whole story of it sucked. An it wasnt even done at the orders of the Tau leaders, just the leader who conquered the planet. Same with the massacre on the IG world, and that "be gassed or mined" stuff your trying to pass off as the standard treatment of humans
4.) Finally the brain control Device. Its a translator, like I said vespid speak a different language and the only form of communication is by that helmet they have stran leaders wear. Without that its impossible to communicate with the other vespid. Any talk about it being a mind control device is made up speculation

So in conclusion is there mandatory racism as promoted by the ethreals and caste system? No. Is there "racism" of course, theres even racism in our world

I didn't create this topic but people have rights to make whatever threads to ask whatever they want as long as the threads have a purpose and obey forum rules. So if you don't like this thread just ignore it but don't come here and say don't discuss.

As for the Tau badness, look at a thread I created for that in which I and Redscare have put up evidence for that, so stop whining and about so-called Tau hate.

Was not whining, whining implies you to be able to hear my tone of voice, which is impossible via the internet. An I never said you or anyone else should stop the topics, I just said its "pretty ridiculous." I guess those words contain a whole lota whine in them. An I did contribute to the topic, as I said I posted the other side of things thats all. I did not directly attack anyone's opinions, like you did my friend, just the arguments. I mean like I said there is not enough "evidence" to really support either side, just how you interpret what there is.
So sorry if I made it seem like everything I was saying it 100% factual, it is not. I thought I made that clear in my opening statement, sorry if I did not. The only thing that I claim is a fact is the battle record. All the rest is merely my interpretation due to lack of any explicit and direct evidence, same as your own

They can interbreed, but there's not point.

If two races don't have the same number of chromosomes, then they can't make babies

As for inter-castes, I've yet to read anything that supports segregation. One caste is better at performing certain duties than others.

then read your Tau codex again.

the Etherials have forbidden inter-caste breeding.

1.) Racism? really? theres racism in every species. But there has never been anything written saying that it is mandatory or promoted by the caste system. An vespid/kroot/human colonists do not live on the Tau home worlds. The kroot "citizens" if you will do not migrate to Tau worlds, and Vespid obviously dont because they do not speak the same language as the Tau

I was talking about major segregations and stuff. Off course there are racism in every species but Tau always claims and says "Join the Greater Good and youll be excepted". I wanted to see opinions.

2.) Empire Size? You guys were a little off about your expansion/ planet reduction estimate. This isnt speculation, its just a fact you were wrong.lol There were MANY planets conquered by the Tau after the crusade against them pulled back. It is never said how many, and not all have been made into colonies yet. You cant also know if they have lost more battles than they have won. Its quite impossible to know

No, you are wrong and stop bitc*ing, Tau has not expanded that much go and read on the Lexicanum, during the 13th Black Crusade Chaos did take over a planet from Tau. Also the Ultramarine 4th Company (and more, I just don’t have the perfect memory to say the regiment names and the other companies) and the White Scars did take a planet away from Tau. All my sources are from Lexicanum I read this a while ago but I stuffed this in my head and I have talked about this with the workers of GW and they told interesting stuff about these things. A Tau also suffered heavily from the Tyranid Hive Mined, Kraken. To be honest I barley hear any more about the Tau expansion anymore. We will only know more in the new Codex., for now you don’t have much facts. I have my facts, you can write back to me about this but I will not discuss about this anymore because this is going off on a different topic.

3.) Sterilization- This keeps coming up b/c of ONE stupid game ending on ONE planet. That whole story came out of no where, and if you played the game you would know the whole story of it sucked. An it wasnt even done at the orders of the Tau leaders, just the leader who conquered the planet. Same with the massacre on the IG world, and that "be gassed or mined" stuff your trying to pass off as the standard treatment of humans

Well if they did it once they did it once they probably will or do it more.

4.) Finally the brain control Device. Its a translator, like I said vespid speak a different language and the only form of communication is by that helmet they have stran leaders wear. Without that its impossible to communicate with the other vespid. Any talk about it being a mind control device is made up speculation

Workers from GW told me that how they mined control them, okay. Say what you want but I know what’s true. Indeed, perhaps it is also made to communicate but you need to know that the main reason they have it is for mined control purposes.

So in conclusion is there mandatory racism as promoted by the ethreals and caste system? No. Is there "racism" of course, theres even racism in our world]

bob the heretic wrote:I was wondering is there any segregation or racism in the Tau empire? Perhaps the humans that joined the Tau are not allowed to eat in the same restaurant or fall in love with a Tau female? Or not just humans.

Heres a situation:

Fire Warrior redneck: Get of my lawn you no good Wasps. I give 1 minute to take that ball of yours and get out!

Or maybe it’s the other way around! Perhaps in some certain cities where Vespids or Kroots live they dislike each other more. Perhaps there are some rascist gangs (skin heads)
Or is the Empire actually so kined and loveing to the people that join it?

There is strong evidence that Tau are the least racist race of all featured in Codices. They allow a Kroot general, they see vespids as comrades, they even teach humans technology and non-violent behavior

Do they allow marriage between a Tau and a human? No. Do humans allow a marriage between a human and an earthworm, cactus or a toaster? No. Because neither can interbreed, being biologically totally different.

And yes, I think one Tau hater troll thread per week is enough.

And yes, I think one Tau hater troll thread per week is enough.

..........................This was not a Tau hate thread
I want to learn some stuff about their society.

bob the heretic wrote:

And yes, I think one Tau hater troll thread per week is enough.

..........................This was not a Tau hate thread
I want to learn some stuff about their society.

I said that Tau fans will attack us....

As for their society, we don't know because there isn't much to know. Same for Tau fans, they can just speculate how Tau society works. GW didn't give anything for us to see their way of life, cities, trade, etc... And their codex tells us little about them...

We don't hate Tau, we just want to point that Tau are not so good guys after all. I mean, people see them as a saviours of the galaxy, in fact they are conqurers like Humans - they just use other methods to achieve that. They are using "Grater Good" strategy to ensure that everyone will get to their side and after that they will use them against their enemies, just as Imperium is using alien mercenariness to help them fight forces of Chaos...

And if you think that we are trolling, then what about that Tau fans trolling that are implementing that Tau Empire can defeat Imperium of Mankind?

bob the heretic wrote:

1.) Racism? really? theres racism in every species. But there has never been anything written saying that it is mandatory or promoted by the caste system. An vespid/kroot/human colonists do not live on the Tau home worlds. The kroot "citizens" if you will do not migrate to Tau worlds, and Vespid obviously dont because they do not speak the same language as the Tau

I was talking about major segregations and stuff. Off course there are racism in every species but Tau always claims and says "Join the Greater Good and youll be excepted". I wanted to see opinions.

2.) Empire Size? You guys were a little off about your expansion/ planet reduction estimate. This isnt speculation, its just a fact you were wrong.lol There were MANY planets conquered by the Tau after the crusade against them pulled back. It is never said how many, and not all have been made into colonies yet. You cant also know if they have lost more battles than they have won. Its quite impossible to know

No, you are wrong and stop bitc*ing, Tau has not expanded that much go and read on the Lexicanum, during the 13th Black Crusade Chaos did take over a planet from Tau. Also the Ultramarine 4th Company (and more, I just don’t have the perfect memory to say the regiment names and the other companies) and the White Scars did take a planet away from Tau. All my sources are from Lexicanum I read this a while ago but I stuffed this in my head and I have talked about this with the workers of GW and they told interesting stuff about these things. A Tau also suffered heavily from the Tyranid Hive Mined, Kraken. To be honest I barley hear any more about the Tau expansion anymore. We will only know more in the new Codex., for now you don’t have much facts. I have my facts, you can write back to me about this but I will not discuss about this anymore because this is going off on a different topic.

3.) Sterilization- This keeps coming up b/c of ONE stupid game ending on ONE planet. That whole story came out of no where, and if you played the game you would know the whole story of it sucked. An it wasnt even done at the orders of the Tau leaders, just the leader who conquered the planet. Same with the massacre on the IG world, and that "be gassed or mined" stuff your trying to pass off as the standard treatment of humans

Well if they did it once they did it once they probably will or do it more.

4.) Finally the brain control Device. Its a translator, like I said vespid speak a different language and the only form of communication is by that helmet they have stran leaders wear. Without that its impossible to communicate with the other vespid. Any talk about it being a mind control device is made up speculation

Workers from GW told me that how they mined control them, okay. Say what you want but I know what’s true. Indeed, perhaps it is also made to communicate but you need to know that the main reason they have it is for mined control purposes.

So in conclusion is there mandatory racism as promoted by the ethreals and caste system? No. Is there "racism" of course, theres even racism in our world]

2.)No mister heretic you ARE WRONG about the empire size. let me reiterate, i was not whining or complaining. Just b/c I have a different opinion than yours does not mean that I am whining when I say it. But it clearly states IN THE CODEX, im a tau player so I should know, that after the black crusade, read that AFTER the black crusade when most the damage was done, the Tau led by Farsight, that tau girl, and a few other leaders managed to reclaim almost everything that was lost out of the original colonies, but they also managed to conquer many more planets that were not originally there's. The empire expanded to being greater than it was before the crusade ever began.

3.) You keep using the word they, "they" did not sterilize people. The video games fluff does not count for anything what so ever. But if you must count it, it was ONE commander, not the Tau, aka "they". And "they," the Tau, the actual leaders, exiled that man and punished him. So "they" wouldnt be sterilizing people some more because "they" never did it in the first place.

4.) Finally going back to the mind control for no reason what so ever, it clearly states in the codex, should you have read it which you clearly have not, that it is a possibility that the ethreals put a mind control device on the stran leaders. HOWEVER, it also clearly states in that same section, word for word, that there is no evidence to back this up what so ever.

I can understand you being curious about wanting to learn about the Tau, so if you want to learn listen to the people who know about the Tau, and not just the xeno hating fanatics and your own personal opinions.

darkcloud92 wrote: The video games fluff does not count for anything what so ever.

Wrong, see here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/362013.page
Video game fluff INDEED count for everything when it comes to 40k...

I can understand you being curious about wanting to learn about the Tau, so if you want to learn listen to the people who know about the Tau, and not just the xeno hating fanatics and your own personal opinions.

Notice how I did not go against anybody that were answering on my question about racism. I did not comment on them beacuse I did not know anything about the Tau society itself. The only time when I talk back when I know stuff are facts. I never knew about the Tau later regrouping the broken forces and then defeat the chaos. Thank you for teling me about that. I am saying what I know, what I was told by GW workers, some other Tau fans, and reading Black Library books. I honestly have not read the Tau codex, I admit it but I read many other things, plus Ill be hones to everybody that I know codexes are right but it seems like that in each codex they only talk about the races winning to please the fans and it kinda anoys me beacuse then the fans always have to say "The Codex says that my race is the best race of all" . But yeah I guess maybe I shold read the Tau Codex.

bob the heretic wrote:

I can understand you being curious about wanting to learn about the Tau, so if you want to learn listen to the people who know about the Tau, and not just the xeno hating fanatics and your own personal opinions.

Notice how I did not go against anybody that were answering on my question about racism. I did not comment on them beacuse I did not know anything about the Tau society itself. The only time when I talk back when I know stuff are facts. I never knew about the Tau later regrouping the broken forces and then defeat the chaos. Thank you for teling me about that. I am saying what I know, what I was told by GW workers, some other Tau fans, and reading Black Library books. I honestly have not read the Tau codex, I admit it but I read many other things, plus Ill be hones to everybody that I know codexes are right but it seems like that in each codex they only talk about the races winning to please the fans and it kinda anoys me beacuse then the fans always have to say "The Codex says that my race is the best race of all" . But yeah I guess maybe I shold read the Tau Codex.

It's generally a good idea to look for the answers yourself before asking people for them.

It's generally a good idea to look for the answers yourself before asking people for them.

Thats what I do
and Brother Coa is correct about the game. GW did say that it is part of the 40k storie.

@ bob One smart guy told to me once: "people say that DoW games are not fluff becuse they don't like how the game ends". I consider Fire Warrior actual fluff, even if 1 Fire Warrior ( Chuck La'Kais ) kill entire regiment of the Guard, 40 Space Marines, over 100 CSM, a Titan, Daemon princes and The grater Daemon of Chaos...

There is little actual proof of the Tau treating other species as inferior. There have been some instances where is is possibly hinted at, they are rare but they have been massively blown out of proportion on the internet.

IIRC the instance of Tau keeping humans in a prison camp was the alternative ending to a game not produced by GW. Even in this case the idea they are keeping them in camps is suggested by an imperial narrator.

There is no suggestion that the Tau empire's stance on Kroot is that they are inferior. Individual Tau dislike kroot for their odd eating habits but that doesn't mean Tau society is againsty kroot. We have laws against racism- doesn't mean no one is racist.

The Tau Empire is more of a group of allied forces than a true empire. Each force contributes to the running of services that support all of them but that Tau do not control the other species. Even if they wanted to supress the other races they can't. The Kroot have their own council and run themselves- aside from taking some kroot as soldiers the Tau don't interfere with Kroot society. I belive the same occurs with humans. They exchange services with the tau empire but control of the planet reamains in the hands of the humans.