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bob the heretic wrote:You are kinda saying like its impossible. I mean Tau and Humes are vry smart living beings that are not that differant except physical appereance. They still hav the same emotions, right?

1.) They might look similar but are of alien biology, so completely different and not compatible. Humans share 98% of genes (and gene structure) with chimpansees and still can't interbreed.
2.) They don't have the same emotions. Otherwise the Tau would have a warp presence, which they don't have. So to humans, Tau seem completely emotionless.

Kroothawk wrote:

bob the heretic wrote:You are kinda saying like its impossible. I mean Tau and Humes are vry smart living beings that are not that differant except physical appereance. They still hav the same emotions, right?

1.) They might look similar but are of alien biology, so completely different and not compatible. Humans share 98% of genes (and gene structure) with chimpansees and still can't interbreed.
2.) They don't have the same emotions. Otherwise the Tau would have a warp presence, which they don't have. So to humans, Tau seem completely emotionless.

also something like, 96% with a common blue bottle o.o; eep (admittedly they have only 4 base pairs compared to our 22(?))

Kroothawk wrote:

bob the heretic wrote:You are kinda saying like its impossible. I mean Tau and Humes are vry smart living beings that are not that differant except physical appereance. They still hav the same emotions, right?

1.) They might look similar but are of alien biology, so completely different and not compatible. Humans share 98% of genes (and gene structure) with chimpansees and still can't interbreed.
2.) They don't have the same emotions. Otherwise the Tau would have a warp presence, which they don't have. So to humans, Tau seem completely emotionless.

You're confusing emotions and a soul. Tau don't have a soul, any more than the average rock does. They don't even have the sort of "negative image" souls human blanks have, just nothing. Emotions don't really factor into it at any point; they're not even stoic so much as they have alien priorities, so what invokes emotion in them is similarly alien.

so essentially, Tau are Animals with the capacity for cognative thought.



Hmmmm, they are alot like cows.

Tauburgers!!!!!

Grey Templar wrote:so essentially, Tau are Animals with the capacity for cognative thought.


Hmmmm, they are alot like cows.

Tauburgers!!!!!

Not necessarily, they just don't have emotions the way humans do. This is primarily due to the Ethereals being able to suppress them.

If they don't have emotions, why do they have bars? (Or maybe they don't and I was given misinformation.)

Grey Templar wrote:so essentially, Tau are Animals with the capacity for cognative thought.



Hmmmm, they are alot like cows.

Tauburgers!!!!!

that actually sounds quite tasty x) om nom nom nom nom x)

Tau do have emotions - and from what we see of them they are similar to human emotions. FW feel anger like we do. The ethereals don't suppress emotion. Tau Culture is about following the ethereals, they vary rarely have to force tau to do anything. Even then supressing emotion is not going to help them. Without emotions none of the tau would have the drive to do anything without a specific order from an ethereal and there aren't enough of them for that.

Tau just have different souls. Not neccessarily like animals but still very different from humans. They just don't affect the warp.

After reading all the post i would like to state a couple points:

1st: Taus DO have emotions, i cant remember exactly where a read about commander O'sherra been sad about the lost of her sisters and Aun'Va cheering her up. Also Taus are inspired by the presense of the ethereals on the war lines (i know it could be something like a pheromone effect but still, they are encouranged by them).

2d: I suppose some human could fall in love with a Tau but the Tau way is not to been with a "special someone" and specially they do not marry, insted they perform the Ta'liserra ceremony where a group of Taus FROM THE SAME CASTE cut each other with a ceremonial knife meaning that they trust each other and they will all watch each others back on their duty, and as for i know this groups dont care about the gender of their members. So basically if a human gets the crush for a Tau its would be more like "I feal flattered, but you are not my type" (tipe? not natural english speaker and google didnt help, so sorry if wrong).

3th. I dont think there is something like first or second class races among the Tau empire, we humans are way to used to the "piramid" way of life that some of us find difficult to belive there could be a system where everyone is treated like equal, for Taus id make a comparison with the old time villages where someone worked the earth, another one raises sheeps for the wool, another one made the bread and so. To make it short i totally agree with the one who said "I heard your race is great at taking out the trash"

Well I dont see why a Tau and a Human could not fall in love.
But not to sure how different the 2 cultures moral/social beliefs are. But those could be worked out.

As for how the Tau treat the humans as a whole id say they treat them a lot like the Kroot or the Vepsid.
Only better.

I can see the humans on worlds that side with the Tau working well within Tau Empire.
The Humans and the Tau have far more in common then Kroot/Vepsid seem to.

And once the Tau start arming the human worlds and upgrading there standard of living and allowing the humans to have some freedom in there engineering ideas then id think the Tau would love the humans. We are always looking to make something bigger or better.

I am not sure how much freedom the Kroot/Vepsid worlds have to "run" off and do there own thing. Im sure there is a treaty between the Tau and the other races to govern such things.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

4M2A wrote:However there is almost no evidence of them acting on this which is what matters.

Mind control, abductions, secret medical experiments, mass sterilization, concentration camps, enslavement...

Sounds reminiscent of an army that was featured in Europe circa 1945... They wore grey, black and red... Can't quite recall their name though.

Kroothawk wrote:

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

4M2A wrote:However there is almost no evidence of them acting on this which is what matters.

Mind control, abductions, secret medical experiments, mass sterilization, concentration camps, enslavement...

Can't find them in my Codex. Wait! They aren't in the Codex!
Maybe a list of words is not enough as evidence

Pen≥Sword wrote:

corporal_reznov wrote:Again you ignore all other sources and simply focus on this one book. I know you are going to call me a hypocrite but you're wrong, I have one source from Lexicanum.com and Rogue trader rpg as well as Redscare's quotes from Tau codex 3rd edition which you conveniently ignore.

Using an older edition of rules to trump newer ones is usually incorrect.

Logic: Use it. +1 for Pen≥Sword's comment.

DickBandit wrote:Kroot have to sit in the back of the Devilfish.

I laughed so hard I sprayed Dr. Pepper out of my nostrils. Thankfully, I was able to avoid the keyboard. The mouse, however, was not so lucky.

Synopsis: The fanboys of any race, some more than others, will always view their FICTIONAL race in favorable light.
Point and example: Dark Eldar aren't entirely evil. They pillage, enslave and torture for the survival of their species. Okay... I couldn't even keep a straight face typing that.

Interesting to read. Again.

Oh there is definately Tau fluff that portrays them as evil, but it's much less than the fluff that supports them. People just like to choose one side and support it regardless of facts.

When their entire purpose in the setting is to add a "good" faction (as stated by the designers) you can't really it's hard to argue they are evil.

Homosexuals can breed, albeit with artificial insemination or serigraph parents.

So how is that different than a possible Tau Human relationship with adopted children/sperm donors from either race?

Even if there were some highly bizarre individuals that were interested in other species, and yes it would be like someone who has a bestiality fetish. However with animals at least they have simlilar bits to humans. With Xenos there would be considerable difficulty getting the bits to fit.

They have a mouth/anus don't they? I wouldn't really worry about getting the bits to fit, humans have been very adept at what we've been able to get our "bits" into.

Beside the point Tau society would likely not allow races to attempt to interbreed, they don't let the castes interbreed.

Oh I agree on that, I was just asking for an opinion of the poster whom I quoted.

I've always figured it would be nothing terribly serious like lynching or anything, just an excuse for tau to act like jerks to integrated races. Say, humans.

*Tau takes last parking space at restaurant*
"Aw, sorry gue'la! It's for the greater good, you know?"

*Tau buys that one last beer at the convenience store you've been visualizing at work all day*
"Sorry, Greater Good and all that. I'm sure you understand."

*Come home to find your girlfriend sleeping with a fire warrior*
"Hey, SHE asked me first. Also, Greater Good. Did I mention that part?"

Oh, those wacky xenos

I think you are projecting human psychology onto aliens.

It seems a bit unlikely the Tau themselves are racist when their every thought is rigidly controlled by the Ethereals in order to maintain order within the Empire.

There might be some racism among the other species that make up the Federation, though on the whole it looks more like Star Trek.

Kilkrazy wrote:I think you are projecting human psychology onto aliens.

It seems a bit unlikely the Tau themselves are racist when their every thought is rigidly controlled by the Ethereals in order to maintain order within the Empire.

There might be some racism among the other species that make up the Federation, though on the whole it looks more like Star Trek.

I think this is the best answer to my question. Now I understand.