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4M2A wrote: game not produced by GW

Then why the game have GW logo on it? If it' s not their game?

It is using their background.

Last time I checked GW didn't have a computer game developing department. The actual game making is done by someone else. You just have to look at some of the black library books to see how little they check other items using their background.

4M2A wrote:
There is no suggestion that the Tau empire's stance on Kroot is that they are inferior. Individual Tau dislike kroot for their odd eating habits but that doesn't mean Tau society is againsty kroot. We have laws against racism- doesn't mean no one is racist.

The Fire Caste regards the Vespid as skillful and reliable allies... they don't share the same feeling about the Kroot.

No it doesn't say they don't at all. You can't take a sentence that says something like (sorry haven't got my codex with me so can't quote exactly) "The Tau Fire Warriors see vespid as skillful and reliable allies" as proof they hate kroot. Thats like saying that I hate laptops because I mention that desk PCs are usful tools. It would be a very long comment if they listed everything FW see as good.

4M2A wrote:It is using their background.

Last time I checked GW didn't have a computer game developing department. The actual game making is done by someone else. You just have to look at some of the black library books to see how little they check other items using their background.

It is still their game and story is supervised by BL writers. And the game os doing THQ, last I checked they have been partners with GW for years, so they are well known to the 40k world. Even so, GW must analyze everything, even storyline before they let the game into sale. You think what you want, it's your thing. For everyone else, DoW is actual fluff for 40k and always will be.

i believe the tau to be far too diplomatic to ever voice any racism out loud in earshot of other species, but the kroot see things differently. nice story in the codex where they have their own little private jokes with a tau diplomat. they communicate by smell too, and expell some really nasty aromaes around him.

but generally: tolerance is what keeps the empire going. They cant afford racism and as the rational people they are, i think to imagine otherwise would be unrealistic.

darkcloud92 wrote:
2.)No mister heretic you ARE WRONG about the empire size. let me reiterate, i was not whining or complaining. Just b/c I have a different opinion than yours does not mean that I am whining when I say it. But it clearly states IN THE CODEX, im a tau player so I should know, that after the black crusade, read that AFTER the black crusade when most the damage was done, the Tau led by Farsight, that tau girl, and a few other leaders managed to reclaim almost everything that was lost out of the original colonies, but they also managed to conquer many more planets that were not originally there's. The empire expanded to being greater than it was before the crusade ever began.

3.) You keep using the word they, "they" did not sterilize people. The video games fluff does not count for anything what so ever. But if you must count it, it was ONE commander, not the Tau, aka "they". And "they," the Tau, the actual leaders, exiled that man and punished him. So "they" wouldnt be sterilizing people some more because "they" never did it in the first place.

4.) Finally going back to the mind control for no reason what so ever, it clearly states in the codex, should you have read it which you clearly have not, that it is a possibility that the ethreals put a mind control device on the stran leaders. HOWEVER, it also clearly states in that same section, word for word, that there is no evidence to back this up what so ever.

I can understand you being curious about wanting to learn about the Tau, so if you want to learn listen to the people who know about the Tau, and not just the xeno hating fanatics and your own personal opinions.

I am not a xeno-hating fanatic, my 40k army is Orks . The Tau do sterilize, it is shown in dark crusade and in the FFG books. They are an empire seeing as they want to conquer the galaxy. The Tau believe that they have a manifest destiny to spread the greater good to the whole galaxy - somewhat similar to what the Imperium of man wants. Check out a thread I created about the Tau.

Anyway, for this thread I don't really think that the Tau are racist. They may look down on other races for doing things that they consider barbaric but who doesn't have this attitude both in 40k and real life, right.

4M2A wrote:No it doesn't say they don't at all. You can't take a sentence that says something like (sorry haven't got my codex with me so can't quote exactly) "The Tau Fire Warriors see vespid as skillful and reliable allies" as proof they hate kroot. Thats like saying that I hate laptops because I mention that desk PCs are usful tools. It would be a very long comment if they listed everything FW see as good.

It specifically mentions that they do not extend the honor of being "skillful and reliable allies" to the Kroot.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

darkcloud92 wrote:
2.)No mister heretic you ARE WRONG about the empire size. let me reiterate, i was not whining or complaining. Just b/c I have a different opinion than yours does not mean that I am whining when I say it. But it clearly states IN THE CODEX, im a tau player so I should know, that after the black crusade, read that AFTER the black crusade when most the damage was done, the Tau led by Farsight, that tau girl, and a few other leaders managed to reclaim almost everything that was lost out of the original colonies, but they also managed to conquer many more planets that were not originally there's. The empire expanded to being greater than it was before the crusade ever began.

3.) You keep using the word they, "they" did not sterilize people. The video games fluff does not count for anything what so ever. But if you must count it, it was ONE commander, not the Tau, aka "they". And "they," the Tau, the actual leaders, exiled that man and punished him. So "they" wouldnt be sterilizing people some more because "they" never did it in the first place.

4.) Finally going back to the mind control for no reason what so ever, it clearly states in the codex, should you have read it which you clearly have not, that it is a possibility that the ethreals put a mind control device on the stran leaders. HOWEVER, it also clearly states in that same section, word for word, that there is no evidence to back this up what so ever.

I can understand you being curious about wanting to learn about the Tau, so if you want to learn listen to the people who know about the Tau, and not just the xeno hating fanatics and your own personal opinions.

I am not a xeno-hating fanatic, my 40k army is Orks . The Tau do sterilize, it is shown in dark crusade and in the FFG books. They are an empire seeing as they want to conquer the galaxy. The Tau believe that they have a manifest destiny to spread the greater good to the whole galaxy - somewhat similar to what the Imperium of man wants. Check out a thread I created about the Tau.

Anyway, for this thread I don't really think that the Tau are racist. They may look down on other races for doing things that they consider barbaric but who doesn't have this attitude both in 40k and real life, right.

It is not certain if the Tau sterilize populations ( but also not unthinkable, especialy on actively hostile populations which the people of Kronos were ). The Dark Crusade reference is unclear about it. Even the Imperial(!) narrator can only guess why the human birthrate droped.
The part about the manifest destiny finds my agreement. Of course the details are different. Where the Imperium always seeked a human galaxy, to the utter detriment of all other races, the
Tau hope to unify the galaxy and it's many inhabitants trough their ideology ( by force if necessary, but force isn't the first choice ).



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Nerivant wrote:

4M2A wrote:No it doesn't say they don't at all. You can't take a sentence that says something like (sorry haven't got my codex with me so can't quote exactly) "The Tau Fire Warriors see vespid as skillful and reliable allies" as proof they hate kroot. Thats like saying that I hate laptops because I mention that desk PCs are usful tools. It would be a very long comment if they listed everything FW see as good.

It specifically mentions that they do not extend the honor of being "skillful and reliable allies" to the Kroot.

I always regarded this quote as a reference to the mercenary nature of the Kroot. Unlike the Vespid they fight for everyone who can pay, which makes them somewhat unreliable as stable allies.

KingDeath wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

darkcloud92 wrote:
2.)No mister heretic you ARE WRONG about the empire size. let me reiterate, i was not whining or complaining. Just b/c I have a different opinion than yours does not mean that I am whining when I say it. But it clearly states IN THE CODEX, im a tau player so I should know, that after the black crusade, read that AFTER the black crusade when most the damage was done, the Tau led by Farsight, that tau girl, and a few other leaders managed to reclaim almost everything that was lost out of the original colonies, but they also managed to conquer many more planets that were not originally there's. The empire expanded to being greater than it was before the crusade ever began.

3.) You keep using the word they, "they" did not sterilize people. The video games fluff does not count for anything what so ever. But if you must count it, it was ONE commander, not the Tau, aka "they". And "they," the Tau, the actual leaders, exiled that man and punished him. So "they" wouldnt be sterilizing people some more because "they" never did it in the first place.

4.) Finally going back to the mind control for no reason what so ever, it clearly states in the codex, should you have read it which you clearly have not, that it is a possibility that the ethreals put a mind control device on the stran leaders. HOWEVER, it also clearly states in that same section, word for word, that there is no evidence to back this up what so ever.

I can understand you being curious about wanting to learn about the Tau, so if you want to learn listen to the people who know about the Tau, and not just the xeno hating fanatics and your own personal opinions.

I am not a xeno-hating fanatic, my 40k army is Orks . The Tau do sterilize, it is shown in dark crusade and in the FFG books. They are an empire seeing as they want to conquer the galaxy. The Tau believe that they have a manifest destiny to spread the greater good to the whole galaxy - somewhat similar to what the Imperium of man wants. Check out a thread I created about the Tau.

Anyway, for this thread I don't really think that the Tau are racist. They may look down on other races for doing things that they consider barbaric but who doesn't have this attitude both in 40k and real life, right.

It is not certain if the Tau sterilize populations ( but also not unthinkable, especialy on actively hostile populations which the people of Kronos were ). The Dark Crusade reference is unclear about it. Even the Imperial(!) narrator can only guess why the human birthrate droped.
The part about the manifest destiny finds my agreement. Of course the details are different. Where the Imperium always seeked a human galaxy, to the utter detriment of all other races, the
Tau hope to unify the galaxy and it's many inhabitants trough their ideology ( by force if necessary, but force isn't the first choice ).



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Nerivant wrote:

4M2A wrote:No it doesn't say they don't at all. You can't take a sentence that says something like (sorry haven't got my codex with me so can't quote exactly) "The Tau Fire Warriors see vespid as skillful and reliable allies" as proof they hate kroot. Thats like saying that I hate laptops because I mention that desk PCs are usful tools. It would be a very long comment if they listed everything FW see as good.

It specifically mentions that they do not extend the honor of being "skillful and reliable allies" to the Kroot.

I always regarded this quote as a reference to the mercenary nature of the Kroot. Unlike the Vespid they fight for everyone who can pay, which makes them somewhat unreliable as stable allies.

So what your saying is that Tau sterilizing populations is not wrong but when the Imperium does it, its the ultimate evil? . The Tau not using force as a first choice in the end nothing but the Tau being very clever and using diplomacy to undermine a races own government before they get that race to join them. Are you say that the Imperium purging the galaxy of aliens is a bad things? I don't see it that way. 9 times of 10 the aliens of 40k are donkey-caves like the Hrud or the Yu'Vath and the Cabal bastards from the 'HH' series plotting humanitys downfall.

Most aliens in 40k are a lot like the Hrud or Yu'Vath or like Orks but more vicious. These are races whose society's don't oppress them. Infact, being under Tau rule would be oppressive to them. The Tau believe that they know best when they clearly don't as they are ignorant and naive seeing as they are screwing with ancient alien tech best left alone. A lot of races in 40k would disagree with Tau philosophy and would try and destroy them if it wasn't for the fact that the Imperium destroyed them first. Admit it the Imperium in a way acts as a shield for the Tau from the nastiness of the rest of the galaxy.

Just look at the thread I created about Tau being 'good guys', it has evidence that Tau do indeed sterilize Humans.

I like to bring about that my Cept's fluff goes in favor for Kroot lynching.

Also forced conscription of Kroot to fill in roles normally provided by Drones (Mostly shield drones) to save resource.

Just a few random ideas.

I think you would see interspecies marriage, but in a different sense then one might think. You might see members of the water caste marrying into noble family of other aliens. They wouldn't be marriages of love and wouldn't directly produce children. The tau would mostly likely come in as a second wife/husband. They would be about politics.

The tau seem to have bars. I don't quite get it, but they do. I imagine in most places kroot/tau/vespin/human all go to the same bar and drink.

Day to day I don't know how often the different aliens will see each other. I imagine most kroot are on their home planet. Most vespin don't have translation helms, and I see them living in there own separate city sections. (Maybe hovering high in the atmosphere.) I bet the kroot like to live out in the forest and live in their own tribes.

The Tau seem to have a hard spot for humans. Of all the races, I think they treat humans the worst. Human colonist being moved to ice planets or the like & and being given the lowest jobs. Maybe a hand full are better liked (The rouge traders or people who have impressed an enturnal), so they are given a mark of favor that gets them treated better.

nomotog wrote:The tau seem to have bars. I don't quite get it, but they do. I imagine in most places kroot/tau/vespin/human all go to the same bar and drink.

Do those bars have bands playing only this?

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:

nomotog wrote:The tau seem to have bars. I don't quite get it, but they do. I imagine in most places kroot/tau/vespin/human all go to the same bar and drink.

Do those bars have bands playing only this?

It's played by a band of tiny naked mole people.

nomotog wrote:

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:

nomotog wrote:The tau seem to have bars. I don't quite get it, but they do. I imagine in most places kroot/tau/vespin/human all go to the same bar and drink.

Do those bars have bands playing only this?

It's played by a band of tiny naked mole people.

Do they also smear their instruments with Jelly?

Here the relevant quotes for Tau relationships to other races:

Original designer notes wrote:In contrast to other races, we wanted the Tau to be altruistic and idealistic, believing heartily in unification as the way forward. This meant that they would happily incorporate other races into their empire without subjugating them, instead enticing them in with the benefits of mutual protection, trade and technology.

Battlefleet Gothic rules wrote:As the Tau Empire expands out from its homeworld, the Tau inevitably encounter new races previously unknown to them, and to each of these an offer of allegiance is made. There are many aggressive, arrogant and selfish races in the galaxy, however, and even the Tau often find first contact results in nothing more than yet another bloody war. There are other races however, who readily accept the message of the greater good and take up their place in the Tau Empire. Some of these races are small, perhaps located on just a single world, or else primitive with little useful resource to offer the Tau, in which case their accession to the Empire is simply a formality, with the benevolent Tau offering protection to these lesser races while they can expect little other than appreciation and friendship in return.

Other additions to the Empire are advanced in themselves, and the union of two such cultures provides valuable new knowledge, technology and understanding for both parties. Such races, where able, fulfil their debt to the Tau Empire by a series of tithes which suit their own particular abilities. Able craftsmen, for instance, may be called upon to provide manufacturing capacity, while aggressive or warlike races will be obligated to provide troops to the armies of the Tau. There are other races still who do not wish to fully submit to the Empire, but who likewise have no wish for war with the Tau and will instead strike up armistices or treaties of neutrality, opening up lucrative new markets or providing new allegiances for mutual protection. Such races are also likely to hire themselves out as mercenaries to the Tau Empire when the opportunity arises.

Cool so theTau do accept people but there are still stories where they act brutal towards the humans that join them.

[speculations]
Could be good to get some perspective on things. Hate to bring up real life, but as far as the human psyche has shown, brutality towards defeated enemies or people seen as friends of the enemy is standard, especially so in pressured situations such as in or near a battle.

How a nation acts in general does not dictate every outcome of a hostile encounter. So, as far as the commander in the video game is concerned, he is most likely a local deviation. Troops from a certain western country gunning down civilians and journalists come to mind, it's not like "they" do that all the time, right?

Oh, and on the subject of dropping birthrates... well, the imperium of man does not exactly hold highly the idea of school for every child, and the empire most certainly encourages high birthrates for workforces. As has been seen, the best way of birth-control is education. Areas with near 100% literacy and a high average education level tend to have less than 2 children per woman on average. Could simply be that the dropping birthrates are a by-product of greater education and liberty.
Not that I think GW would incorporate that in their fiction, though, as that would blatantly be saying the Imperium of Man is bad and wrong. (It's better to skip the whole human rights and liberty part so you can paint the fascistic/fanatic main faction in a better light)

[/speculations.]

Kroothawk wrote:Here the relevant quotes for Tau relationships to other races:

Original designer notes wrote:In contrast to other races, we wanted the Tau to be altruistic and idealistic, believing heartily in unification as the way forward. This meant that they would happily incorporate other races into their empire without subjugating them, instead enticing them in with the benefits of mutual protection, trade and technology.

Battlefleet Gothic rules wrote:As the Tau Empire expands out from its homeworld, the Tau inevitably encounter new races previously unknown to them, and to each of these an offer of allegiance is made. There are many aggressive, arrogant and selfish races in the galaxy, however, and even the Tau often find first contact results in nothing more than yet another bloody war. There are other races however, who readily accept the message of the greater good and take up their place in the Tau Empire. Some of these races are small, perhaps located on just a single world, or else primitive with little useful resource to offer the Tau, in which case their accession to the Empire is simply a formality, with the benevolent Tau offering protection to these lesser races while they can expect little other than appreciation and friendship in return.

Other additions to the Empire are advanced in themselves, and the union of two such cultures provides valuable new knowledge, technology and understanding for both parties. Such races, where able, fulfil their debt to the Tau Empire by a series of tithes which suit their own particular abilities. Able craftsmen, for instance, may be called upon to provide manufacturing capacity, while aggressive or warlike races will be obligated to provide troops to the armies of the Tau. There are other races still who do not wish to fully submit to the Empire, but who likewise have no wish for war with the Tau and will instead strike up armistices or treaties of neutrality, opening up lucrative new markets or providing new allegiances for mutual protection. Such races are also likely to hire themselves out as mercenaries to the Tau Empire when the opportunity arises.

Again you ignore all other sources and simply focus on this one book. I know you are going to call me a hypocrite but you're wrong, I have one source from Lexicanum.com and Rogue trader rpg as well as Redscare's quotes from Tau codex 3rd edition which you conveniently ignore.

Redscare wrote:Tau Empire Codex, regarding treatment of other species.

"Perhaps unsurprisingly, few races are willing to surrender unreservedly, and so the Fire caste has gone to war on numerous occasions." pg10
"Those worlds that will not willingly join the empire are dragged to the negotiating table under threat of annihilation." pg10
"Those that remain openly defiant face obliteration under the orbital guns of he Air caste fleet." pg 10

Tau Empire Codex, regarding treatment of their own people.

"Tau are born into their caste and breeding between the castes is forbidden by the Ethereals." pg8
The exile of the prominent Commander Farsight, after he turns his back on the "Greater Good". pg42, 44, 46

Tau Empire Codex, regarding known speculations about the Tau and their Etherals.

"It has been whispered that this acceptance [by the Vespids] is linked to the fact that all of the race's leaders wear the interface helmets given to them by the Tau, but no evidence of this claim has proved forthcoming." pg16


There is plenty of evidence in the main source book that states , not suggests, the Tau empire is not a peace loving and benevolent society. The Tau admittedly do not engage in atrocities to the same extent as the Imperium, but I do not know how people can convince themselves their hands are clean in any respects.

-- Source: VELK’HAN SEPT. Deathwatch Core Rulebook pg 352. wrote:“The Sept’s humans (referred to by the Tau as ‘Gue’la’) adhere not the Imperial Creed, but to the Tau ideal of the Greater Good. The Tau teach that the perfect society, one modeled after the Tau themselves, has a place for every creature; with every creature in that place, fulfilling their assigned roles without question, for the good of the Sept as a whole. Imperial religion is prohibited and the Tau Water Caste run education (and re-education) programs that instill an understanding and love of the Greater Good into the somewhat reluctant gue’la minds. Populations are regularly sterilized to prevent population growth outstretching Tau methods of control. Human transgressors against the Greater Good are not publicly executed as is the Imperial way, for the Tau see no need to publicize the fates of those who oppose them. Instead, such gue’la simply disappear, and it is the way of the Greater Good to convince oneself that they never existed at all."

So all species that have no interest in being ruled by the Tau empire are selfish and evil?

Do Tau share their power with their allies?

I never saw Kroot Shaper leading entire Tau military force, or seeing some kind of Empire senate or council...

It seems that Kroot willingly accepted the Tau Etherials as their leaders, Vespid to. It's a little stange because I know from the perspective of our race that we would never allow some other faction to make a decision for us.

And since the stories of sterilization are in rulebook, they are true after all. Seems logical move by the Tau to get ride of problem and prove to their allies that they are not rude or anything like the Imperium.

The Tau act racist against Kroot and Gue'vesa because of their good sight

Actually... Tau are just another society that is taught to dislike another small society.

bob the heretic wrote:Cool so theTau do accept people but there are still stories where they act brutal towards the humans that join them.

The tau seem to just plain hate humans, or the IoM. If you read an atrocity that the tau did, odds are it was on a human world.

Brother Coa wrote:Do Tau share their power with their allies?

I never saw Kroot Shaper leading entire Tau military force, or seeing some kind of Empire senate or council...

It seems that Kroot willingly accepted the Tau Etherials as their leaders, Vespid to. It's a little stange because I know from the perspective of our race that we would never allow some other faction to make a decision for us.

And since the stories of sterilization are in rulebook, they are true after all. Seems logical move by the Tau to get ride of problem and prove to their allies that they are not rude or anything like the Imperium.

Can you explain what you mean? Cause I don't understand what this post is talking about.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Can you explain what you mean? Cause I don't understand what this post is talking about.

Then I will simplify: Do Tau share their power with their allies? ( Meaning that Eherials are giving half of their power to Kroot Shapers and Vespid Leaders )

Brother Coa wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Can you explain what you mean? Cause I don't understand what this post is talking about.

Then I will simplify: Do Tau share their power with their allies? ( Meaning that Eherials are giving half of their power to Kroot Shapers and Vespid Leaders )

I think it is a yes no deal. The eternals rule the empire with shapers, vespid, human lords haveing about the same power and influence as tau generals, admirals, and planers. Mostly acting as advisers with the final say going to the eternal.

I think the humans/kroot/vespin have more power in lower levels over their own people. Vespin strain leaders run the vespin staffed mines. Kroot tribe leaders still lead their tribe even when that tribe is on a tau world. Human lords and generals still keep command over their troops.

You might have a case where kroot mercenarys are lead by a shaper, who answers to a fire warrior commander, who answers to a water cast diplomat, who advises the system lord in a human cluster, who answers to that sector's eternal, who answers to the multi species counsel(eternals in charge with the others acting as advisers, like I talked about up top) back on the tau home world.

nomotog wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Can you explain what you mean? Cause I don't understand what this post is talking about.

Then I will simplify: Do Tau share their power with their allies? ( Meaning that Eherials are giving half of their power to Kroot Shapers and Vespid Leaders )

I think it is a yes no deal. The eternals rule the empire with shapers, vespid, human lords haveing about the same power and influence as tau generals, admirals, and planers. Mostly acting as advisers with the final say going to the eternal.

I think the humans/kroot/vespin have more power in lower levels over their own people. Vespin strain leaders run the vespin staffed mines. Kroot tribe leaders still lead their tribe even when that tribe is on a tau world. Human lords and generals still keep command over their troops.

You might have a case where kroot mercenarys are lead by a shaper, who answers to a fire warrior commander, who answers to a water cast diplomat, who advises the system lord in a human cluster, who answers to that sector's eternal, who answers to the multi species counsel(eternals in charge with the others acting as advisers, like I talked about up top) back on the tau home world.

The Ethereals are completely in charge. But I believe that they do let the races part of the Tau empire govern themselves for the most part but they must believe and obey the greater good. Actually, the Tau empire is in a way run a lot like the Imperium except that the Tau's emperor equivalent is alive. The Tau generals and Ethereals are higher in the leadership order and the other races leader rule over what they have until a Tau arrives in the area then they take charge or the Tau could also rule from the shadows like a shadow chancellor.

As for the part I have already stated that I doubt that their is racism but their is of course looking down on other races. But this is something all races in 40k have as standard behavior as well as we humans. You have situations where Americans look down on people from Philippines or Asia in general.

Tau are in control of the armies because they are mainly consisting of Tau. The Vespid and Kroot are small parts of a Tau army. If an army of kroot were to fight they would be in control.

Nerivant- Confused the comment with another similar comment. However it is understandable they are slightly distrusting of kroot. They are a mercenary species. Vespid joined the Tau because they believe in the Greater good, kroot joined because it suits them. If they believed fighting the Tau would be more beneficial they would turn.

I see the video game fluff debate is hot here.

Some pointers about game fluff guys!

We can technically count it, but I would go against it and say it is at best alternate reality. If we use that fluff than a single Fire Warrior can defeat a couple squads of Space Marines by himself.

The Dawn of War games which are more reserved also bring up an iffy scenario, because the games follow alternate outcomes based on which faction you choose. Meaning that the sterilization outcome contradicts the games story of Space Marines winning, which in essence means fluff wise it gets cancelled out.

As for the topic, the Tau do not look down on other races in daily lives. In times of war the Fire Warrior caste displays disdain for melee fighters due to their tactics in warfare. In one of the Cain novels they have humans living in relative peace with the Tau and Kroot. With children going so far as to adopt Tau topknot hairstyles.

If the society had more free thought on the part of the Tau I'm sure there would be plenty of hatred. Fire Caste members are noted as being borderline serial killers when not under the influence of Ethereals. The world war that engulfed their planet, Brightsword, and Farsight all point to this along with an incident on Taros when an Ethereal was killed.

Brother Coa wrote:Do Tau share their power with their allies?

I never saw Kroot Shaper leading entire Tau military force, or seeing some kind of Empire senate or council...

It seems that Kroot willingly accepted the Tau Etherials as their leaders, Vespid to. It's a little stange because I know from the perspective of our race that we would never allow some other faction to make a decision for us.

And since the stories of sterilization are in rulebook, they are true after all. Seems logical move by the Tau to get ride of problem and prove to their allies that they are not rude or anything like the Imperium.

Kroot and Tau (Sa'cea Sept) first met when Orks attacked the Kroot homeplanet Pech and an accidentally present Sa'cea fleet. Tau and Kroot fought side by side for 10 years against the Ork invasion and finally won. This formed a strong bond between the two races, with the Kroot acknowledging that their race would be extinct without the unselfish aid by the Tau and the Tau impressed by the bravery of the Kroot (Index Xenos: Kroot by Graham McNeill:"So impressed where the Fire Warriors by the Kroot bravery that they agreed to help liberate the remainder of their enclaves from the Orks.") The greatest Kroot leader at that time, Anghkor Prok, formed an official bond between the two races. In background he became a general of the Tau army, his rules http://trobarts.customer.netspace.net.au/anghkor-prok.pdf allow him to be the HQ of a Tau army (if it includes one Kroot unit). BTW Kroot do not willingly accept Ethereals as their leaders, they just formed an alliance with Tau out of gratefullness and respect.

Allies rarely give up power, they keep on being ruled by their own kind with Tau advisors present. Gue'la armies are lead by humans, not Tau.

BTW Tau sterilizing others is not in the Codex. It is mentioned in a non-GW PC-game as the third likeliest explanation in a not-40k timeline why males and females in separate camps get less children. It is also mentioned in a non-GW-RPG game occuring in a human/Tau sept in a specific region. It doesn't explicitely say who sterilizes why under what conditions (human population is ruled by humans). The region has a dark Xeno influence driving Tau and humans mad. And three other planets in that region have an overpopulation of humans that led to mass starvation under an IoM blockade (planets couldn't provide enough food for the population, depended on massive imports). So it is unclear ATM what all this means.

Kroothawk wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Do Tau share their power with their allies?

I never saw Kroot Shaper leading entire Tau military force, or seeing some kind of Empire senate or council...

It seems that Kroot willingly accepted the Tau Etherials as their leaders, Vespid to. It's a little stange because I know from the perspective of our race that we would never allow some other faction to make a decision for us.

And since the stories of sterilization are in rulebook, they are true after all. Seems logical move by the Tau to get ride of problem and prove to their allies that they are not rude or anything like the Imperium.

Kroot and Tau (Sa'cea Sept) first met when Orks attacked the Kroot homeplanet Pech and an accidentally present Sa'cea fleet. Tau and Kroot fought side by side for 10 years against the Ork invasion and finally won. This formed a strong bond between the two races, with the Kroot acknowledging that their race would be extinct without the unselfish aid by the Tau and the Tau impressed by the bravery of the Kroot (Index Xenos: Kroot by Graham McNeill:"So impressed where the Fire Warriors by the Kroot bravery that they agreed to help liberate the remainder of their enclaves from the Orks.") The greatest Kroot leader at that time, Anghkor Prok, formed an official bond between the two races. In background he became a general of the Tau army, his rules http://trobarts.customer.netspace.net.au/anghkor-prok.pdf allow him to be the HQ of a Tau army (if it includes one Kroot unit). BTW Kroot do not willingly accept Ethereals as their leaders, they just formed an alliance with Tau out of gratefullness and respect.

Allies rarely give up power, they keep on being ruled by their own kind with Tau advisors present. Gue'la armies are lead by humans, not Tau.

BTW Tau sterilizing others is not in the Codex. It is mentioned in a non-GW PC-game as the third likeliest explanation in a not-40k timeline why males and females in separate camps get less children. It is also mentioned in a non-GW-RPG game occuring in a human/Tau sept in a specific region. It doesn't explicitely say who sterilizes why under what conditions (human population is ruled by humans). The region has a dark Xeno influence driving Tau and humans mad. And three other planets in that region have an overpopulation of humans that led to mass starvation under an IoM blockade (planets couldn't provide enough food for the population, depended on massive imports). So it is unclear ATM what all this means.

The RPG books were made by FFG who has made a Horus Heresy board game for GW. All the rpg books have this -

Games Workshop
LICENSING MANAGER
Owen Rees
HEAD OF LICENSING
Paul Lyons
HEAD OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY
Alan Merrett

BL makes novels for GW but I've heard that some people scorn those books saying they are not canon because they are not codexes. Are you one of those people, KrootHawk?

The secret of the Jericho Reach is that it has a Necron Tombworld, thats it. The only madness is on that world were the spirits are attacking guardsmen and Kroot. That world that is being described is the capital world of the Sept. The Tau run the government there through the use of human in-betweens. What gives the Tau right to sterilize populations? Or do you think because they are the all knowing Tau, who are ignorant of how the universe really works, they get to do whatever they want.

I agree with you on the issue of the Kroot. I even said that the Tau are not racist, they probably just look down on others, but this is common for everyone.

I notice how you have never refuted the quotes Redscare provided, how come?