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In 40k fluff orks can take the most horrendous wounds and get back up, can fantasy orks take the same punishment?

Probably best to ask Fantasy peepz...
AFAIK I'm not entirely sure, i think they are stronger and probably don't fel as much pain as humans but i think a bolt shell to the gut would put one down.

I don't know too much about 40k orks but I have an orc and goblin army for fantasy as far as I know the fantasy version is nearly as tough if not the same. I do know 40k orks can get a lot bigger though so I may be wrong on this.

Orks can grow bigger and tougher the more they fight.

Fantasy Orks are simply the 40k Orks lost and weaker cousin. The 40k Orks will have to beat the crap the Waaaagh out of them in order to get the fantasy Orks into line and obeying the Warboss. But once they do - *Evil Smirk* Waaaaaaagh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *across the universe*

So, basically everyones consensus is that they are not as strong, but still tougher then humans?

purplefood wrote:Probably best to ask Fantasy peepz...
AFAIK I'm not entirely sure, i think they are stronger and probably don't fel as much pain as humans but i think a bolt shell to the gut would put one down.

Any humanoid getting a bolter shell to the gut would most likely die without serious care, because that's where a lot of your most important digestive organs are located.

But in 40k fluff orks dont always....
anyways, I'll post this in WHFB and see what comes up.

samius wrote:But in 40k fluff orks dont always....

...Always what?

Cheesecat wrote:

samius wrote:But in 40k fluff orks dont always....

...Always what?

Orks don't always after a whole bolter shell

mwbeardpride wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

samius wrote:But in 40k fluff orks dont always....

...Always what?

Orks don't always after a whole bolter shell

Cheesecat wrote:

mwbeardpride wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

samius wrote:But in 40k fluff orks dont always....

...Always what?

Orks don't always after a whole bolter shell

Okay lets try this again, if you accidently an ork with a whole bolter shell, they don't always.

Haha sorry for the confusion.
you said,
"Any humanoid getting a bolter shell to the gut would most likely die without serious care, because that's where a lot of your most important digestive organs are located." and I replied, "they don't always" referring to them dying, so what i meant is that in the fluff orks don't always die from a bolter shell to the stomach.

samius wrote:Haha sorry for the confusion.
you said,
"Any humanoid getting a bolter shell to the gut would most likely die without serious care, because that's where a lot of your most important digestive organs are located." and I replied, "they don't always" referring to them dying, so what i meant is that in the fluff orks don't always die from a bolter shell to the stomach.

I need some examples man, because the ork might be functioning at the time of the story but he dies later due to blood loss, lots of exposed flesh, excruciating pain, nonfunctional organs, etc.

Orks have multiple redundant organs, they can survive things that other humanoids cannot. Even things that Space Marines cannot survive.

there are examples of decapitated orks having there heads sowed back on and living, hell, somtimes they even get sowed to the right body

Warboss ZanZag wrote:

A Monocle?!?!?! He is a wizard! Diden't you know?!?! It's a well known fact that all wizards wear monocles.

Melissia wrote:Orks have multiple redundant organs, they can survive things that other humanoids cannot. Even things that Space Marines cannot survive.

Even then blood loss, lots of exposed flesh, excruciating pain, etc will probably kill him off without some care from a mad dok or painboy. Your redundant organs are useless if you cannot get oxygenated blood to the

tissues or they become infected due to having large amounts of exposed flesh to the outside world.

Which assumes that they can't photosynthesize.

They ARE part fungus.

For that matter, Orks can fight in space in planes that have open cockpits without any notable depreciation in combat talent (mind, they don't exactly aim anyway).

Melissia wrote:Which assumes that they can't photosynthesize.

They ARE part fungus.

For that matter, Orks can fight in space in planes that have open cockpits without any notable depreciation in combat talent (mind, they don't exactly aim anyway).

They still need blood to transport nutrients and oxygen to the tissues otherwise the tissues die. And isn't the fungus side of the Ork only their for reproduction?

And yet, they don't need it as much as we do. Orkoid physiology is baffling, but essentially their "blood" is an interstitial fluid filled with fungus (which is why it smells so damn bad), which itself is a biological factor in repairing damage to an Ork as well as maintaining his organs, photosynthesizing (as I said, Orks can fight in a vacuum without any real penalty), and so on.

For that matter, Orks may not even really have blood as we know it (and it is merely referred to as such out of convenience), but instead a body which circulates interstitial fluid with various organs. An Ork may actually be able to regenerate this fluid more easily than we, as this fungus would propagate itself easier than we could produce red blood cells.

Melissia wrote:And yet, they don't need it as much as we do. Orkoid physiology is baffling, but essentially their "blood" is an interstitial fluid filled with fungus (which is why it smells so damn bad), which itself is a biological factor in repairing damage to an Ork as well as maintaining his organs, photosynthesizing (as I said, Orks can fight in a vacuum without any real penalty), and so on.

For that matter, Orks may not even really have blood as we know it (and it is merely referred to as such out of convenience), but instead a body which circulates interstitial fluid with various organs. An Ork may actually be able to regenerate this fluid more easily than we, as this fungus would propagate itself easier than we could produce red blood cells.

Even then the ork's heart would just pump his fluid out before his hole in his gut would heal over.

That assumes that Orks bleed as long as humans do, which there's no real reason to believe given that they don't have the same kind of blood we do (Ork blood being full of fungus, spores, etc).

Orks are designed for war, to be tough as nails. Certainly they don't have the same frailty for blood loss as we humans do, or even as Marines do. Especially the bigger ones, but not JUST them.

Melissia wrote:That assumes that Orks bleed as long as humans do, which there's no real reason to believe given that they don't have the same kind of blood we do (Ork blood being full of fungus, spores, etc).

Orks are designed for war, to be tough as nails. Certainly they don't have the same frailty for blood loss as we humans do, or even as Marines do. Especially the bigger ones, but not JUST them.

It doesn't matter what the ork blood consist of you still need a heart to keep the bood circulating. Your heart is still going to keep beating even with massive bood loss (bolter shot to gut) which is going to be detrimental

to your blood circulation meaning the brain is going to be deprived of it's life support which will cause the ork to faint and evntually die.

Cheesecat wrote:

Melissia wrote:That assumes that Orks bleed as long as humans do, which there's no real reason to believe given that they don't have the same kind of blood we do (Ork blood being full of fungus, spores, etc).

Orks are designed for war, to be tough as nails. Certainly they don't have the same frailty for blood loss as we humans do, or even as Marines do. Especially the bigger ones, but not JUST them.

It doesn't matter what the ork blood consist of you still need a heart to keep the bood circulating. Your heart is still going to keep beating even with massive bood loss (bolter shot to gut) which is going to be detrimental

to your blood circulation meaning the brain is going to be deprived of it's life support which will cause the ork to faint and evntually die.

The lore doesn't support this conclusion.

Orks take grievous wounds and then eventually get up to fight some more-- including massive blood loss (for example, in the Cain books, an Ork is gutted to the point where his guts are hanging out and his head smashed in, and yet he still gets back up and destroys a Necron warrior after the stun of the hits wears off). Orks have been decapitated and then had their head put back on-- a day or tow later, not immediately-- the WRONG body and survived. Caving an inferior's skull in is a common punishment, and yet it isn't lethal.

Melissia wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

Melissia wrote:That assumes that Orks bleed as long as humans do, which there's no real reason to believe given that they don't have the same kind of blood we do (Ork blood being full of fungus, spores, etc).

Orks are designed for war, to be tough as nails. Certainly they don't have the same frailty for blood loss as we humans do, or even as Marines do. Especially the bigger ones, but not JUST them.

It doesn't matter what the ork blood consist of you still need a heart to keep the bood circulating. Your heart is still going to keep beating even with massive bood loss (bolter shot to gut) which is going to be detrimental

to your blood circulation meaning the brain is going to be deprived of it's life support which will cause the ork to faint and evntually die.

The lore doesn't support this conclusion.

Orks take grievous wounds and then eventually get up to fight some more-- including massive blood loss (for example, in the Cain books, an Ork is gutted to the point where his guts are hanging out and his head smashed in, and yet he still gets back up and destroys a Necron warrior after the stun of the hits wears off). Orks have been decapitated and then had their head put back on-- a day or tow later, not immediately-- the WRONG body and survived. Caving an inferior's skull in is a common punishment, and yet it isn't lethal.

In the first sentence the ork probably had enough blood to do a few basic things before he ran out of blood, only to die moments later.

He was gutted and brained, laying down long enough for his blood to freeze. When he got up and destroyed that warrior, he didn't die from blood loss afterwards-- he attempted to charge another warrior and was killed by the gauss rifle.

Wouldnt the "fungal soup" pour out of an ork when it gets shot? like a balloon full of water? XD

Not all fungi photosynthesize...
It would be useful if Orks did and if they did it was definitely intentional but just because they are fungi doesn't mean they can photosynthesize...