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For me, it was still WAY cheaper to pimp out the clunker Remington clone than to buy and actual Remington.
I also think it's the same reason people rebuild old clunkers into race cars rather than buy a new one. Edge out a win in a new Corvette, yeah you get some looks. Beat a Corvette in a race with a custom 1983 Buick Citation and I'm sure you'd get more praise.
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Guns are weird because of how the legality of what is and isn't a gun is defined, especially in areas where there are waiting periods to buy a gun. Its more "convenient" to slap parts onto a gun you already own than it is to buy a completely new firearm. Especially if those parts really make a huge difference in its operation, and indeed most of the non-receiver parts you can add to a firearm are the biggest contributors to its performance. A Receiver is really just the frame all the other parts attach to, and when it comes down to it there isn't much difference between receivers in terms of where it came from. A cheap-o gun's receiver is most likely just as good as the top of the line, assuming no major structural flaws. So swapping out a cheap gun's other parts will yield drastic improvements, and indeed make it just as good as an expensive one. Again, assuming there aren't any structural flaws.
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I don't want to come in here and cause issues, I have a genuine query. What is it about guns that so many (mainly Americans in my experience) find.... fetishistic? What is it about them. It's not like these people just like or are interested in them, it seems like they are turned on by them. Why is that? I'm curious.
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Hollow wrote: I don't want to come in here and cause issues, I have a genuine query. What is it about guns that so many (mainly Americans in my experience) find.... fetishistic? What is it about them. It's not like these people just like or are interested in them, it seems like they are turned on by them. Why is that? I'm curious.
I don't think I've ever interacted with anyone, American or otherwise, who seemed to find guns "fetishistic." There are plenty of people who enjoy firearms as a a hobby, keep them for hunting or personal protection. I don't think there are many people who are "turned on by them," as you say.
1. Building them. I like all things mechanical. I've built cars, clocks (both mechanical and electric) from scratch, guns, toys, robots, etc. Mechanical and electrical components and their interaction have a certain appeal to me.
2. Hunting/pest control. This is both for a cultural and sustenance reason. I really don't hunt much any more for food, but that has to do with time at my business interfering with hunting season. You can DRASTICALLY drop the monthly costs of food if you know how to hunt/fish successfully and know how to process it.
3. Protection. I live in one of the statistically safest environments in the US (statistically lower that western Europe). However, crime does happen, and I often carry large amounts of cash deposits to the bank at the end of the night.
4. Conversation piece. Guns are interesting. They are fun to look at.
5. Collection. Just like Poke'mon cards, old toys, or anything else
6. Sometimes making loud noises and destroying things is fun.
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To tack on to the above, many of those also bleed together into the ability to be self-reliant. The ability to take care of yourself. Which is where the "FREEDOM!!!MURICA!!!" thing comes from. Its a genuinely American ideal to be self-reliant. And nothing embodies that more than having the ability to protect and provide for yourself and your family. Its knowing that, in the event that the SHTF, you at least have taken as many precautions as possible.
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As someone who 'gets' the attraction of firearms on an intellectual level, but isn't themselves a firearms owner, I feel I can elaborate a little.
I get where you're coming from with the 'fetish' thing- and no, Hordini, it's not sexual, but it can be a fetish. For instance: It makes perfect sense to want a pistol for personal defense, and a shotgun for duck hunting, and a rifle for Deer season, and a .22 for varmint huntin'. Maybe even have a second of a couple of those, because you found one you prefer, or have someone you loan it to or whatever. And it also makes sense when someone collects firearms for their art or historical value- having a combat rifle from every War, or collecting engraved pieces.
But none of those things explain the people who own 7 ARs of various kinds, and 3 shotguns, and 5 semi-auto handguns, and 10 revolvers, and 18 long rifles because they pick one up at each and every gun show they go to, who have subscriptions to 5 different firearms magazines, 3 different types of ammo for each weapon which they buy faster than they can shoot them...
And I'm not talking about violence or nutjobs or survivalists or doomsday preppers or anything. I'm talking otherwise perfectly reasonable people with 9-5 jobs, a wife, house in the 'burbs, 2.5 kids... Who for some reason spend as much time as is reasonably possible touching, cleaning, thinking about, researching and cuddling their gun collections.
It's that point where the firarms become an objective in and of themselves- when they're no longer an object of art, or a tool of protection or sustenance, that it becomes a fetish. And it's not necessarily a problem. It probably doesn't interfere with anything else in their life- it's just a huge, free-time-consuming hobby. What's odd is that it's become their only hobby.
And the way I look at it (as someone who's got a close friend who's showing the signs of becoming that sort of gun-nut... maybe) is that it's kinda like when people obsess over cars and motor vehicles. The guns just become more obvious because they're smaller and cheaper, so you can get more of them much more easily.
But it's a matter of control, and power being in your control. Firearms are a type of power, one that is contained and completely at the will of the the responsible owner. Much like a motor vehicle puts hundreds of horsepower at your toe-tips, and gives you dominion over thousands of pounds of material travelling at high speed if you want it to, firearms give you that concept of 'I am in control of this dangerous thing'. That can get heady.
In addition, there is the sort of Socially Acceptable Fringe Group that it has going for it. Being a gun-nut isn't mainstream enough that half the people in your PTA group get the same magazines you do, but it's something you see on TV and in movies, and so people know what you're talking about, in general.
Then of course, there's the whole "mechanically fascinating" and "Noise and light!" aspects of it.
But yeah. That's my take on why some people tend to get a little more 'into' firearms than others.
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Hollow wrote: I don't want to come in here and cause issues, I have a genuine query. What is it about guns that so many (mainly Americans in my experience) find.... fetishistic? What is it about them. It's not like these people just like or are interested in them, it seems like they are turned on by them. Why is that? I'm curious.
How droll that you took pains to specify explicitly that you meant to be insulting. Please don't crap up a thread that has been running 5 years with this nonsense.
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Anvildude,
I would like to point out that there are perfectly valid reasons to have multiple shotguns, handguns, etc.
Shotguns can be configured for several different purposes. Being optimized for one use limits your use in another. For example, I have one pump action that I use for fowling with a 28 inch barrel. One I have with a 20 inch full choke barrel for deer hunting. Home defense shotgun with cylinder bore 18 inch barrel. Double barrel for skeet shooting. I also have a lever action simply as a cool conversation piece. And all of this is just in the 12 gauge.
The same is true of rifles. You don't use a brush gun like a 30-30 when you hunt areas with wide open spaces and you don't bring large scoped sniper rifles into heavy woods. In addition the calibre you use to hunt raccoon is not what you'd want to use to shoot elk.
Different types of ammo is also needed. Shooting is expensive. If I'm just target shooting I'm likely using whatever bulk crap rounds are the cheapest. In a personal protection gun, I'm going to splurge the extra 50 cents per round for guaranteed reliability and performance.
Hollow wrote: I don't want to come in here and cause issues, I have a genuine query. What is it about guns that so many (mainly Americans in my experience) find.... fetishistic? What is it about them. It's not like these people just like or are interested in them, it seems like they are turned on by them. Why is that? I'm curious.
How droll that you took pains to specify explicitly that you meant to be insulting. Please don't crap up a thread that has been running 5 years with this nonsense.
As someone who 'gets' the attraction of firearms on an intellectual level, but isn't themselves a firearms owner, I feel I can elaborate a little.
I get where you're coming from with the 'fetish' thing- and no, Hordini, it's not sexual, but it can be a fetish. For instance: It makes perfect sense to want a pistol for personal defense, and a shotgun for duck hunting, and a rifle for Deer season, and a .22 for varmint huntin'. Maybe even have a second of a couple of those, because you found one you prefer, or have someone you loan it to or whatever. And it also makes sense when someone collects firearms for their art or historical value- having a combat rifle from every War, or collecting engraved pieces.
But none of those things explain the people who own 7 ARs of various kinds, and 3 shotguns, and 5 semi-auto handguns, and 10 revolvers, and 18 long rifles because they pick one up at each and every gun show they go to, who have subscriptions to 5 different firearms magazines, 3 different types of ammo for each weapon which they buy faster than they can shoot them...
And I'm not talking about violence or nutjobs or survivalists or doomsday preppers or anything. I'm talking otherwise perfectly reasonable people with 9-5 jobs, a wife, house in the 'burbs, 2.5 kids... Who for some reason spend as much time as is reasonably possible touching, cleaning, thinking about, researching and cuddling their gun collections.
It's that point where the firarms become an objective in and of themselves- when they're no longer an object of art, or a tool of protection or sustenance, that it becomes a fetish. And it's not necessarily a problem. It probably doesn't interfere with anything else in their life- it's just a huge, free-time-consuming hobby. What's odd is that it's become their only hobby.
And the way I look at it (as someone who's got a close friend who's showing the signs of becoming that sort of gun-nut... maybe) is that it's kinda like when people obsess over cars and motor vehicles. The guns just become more obvious because they're smaller and cheaper, so you can get more of them much more easily.
But it's a matter of control, and power being in your control. Firearms are a type of power, one that is contained and completely at the will of the the responsible owner. Much like a motor vehicle puts hundreds of horsepower at your toe-tips, and gives you dominion over thousands of pounds of material travelling at high speed if you want it to, firearms give you that concept of 'I am in control of this dangerous thing'. That can get heady.
In addition, there is the sort of Socially Acceptable Fringe Group that it has going for it. Being a gun-nut isn't mainstream enough that half the people in your PTA group get the same magazines you do, but it's something you see on TV and in movies, and so people know what you're talking about, in general.
Then of course, there's the whole "mechanically fascinating" and "Noise and light!" aspects of it.
But yeah. That's my take on why some people tend to get a little more 'into' firearms than others
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You elaborated by creating a straw man fetishist. That's not helpful at all, it's basically trolling.
The thread topic is "Firearms you own, and their uses" if you don't want to make an on topic post then this isn't the thread you should be posting in.
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That's a beautiful rifle, let us know how it shoots!
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@cuda- I get that. I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear, I was talking more about those who have multiples of the same loadout of firearm, and who don't own them for the purpose of using them, but merely to own them.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh! Also, I remembered another reason to own Firearms- As an investment! Much like buying paintings or classic cars, firearms have a tendency to appreciate in value as they age, as long as they're well kept, and are of a rarer 'vintage'.
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My dad has a wall of collector's edition Winchester 30-30 rifles. Non have ever been shot, and as far as I know none of those 20 guns has been out of the case in the 37 years I've been alive.
All of them have gold or silver inlays, extensive engraving in both the stocks and receivers, and some of them were only offered to "valued customers".
Hollow wrote: I don't want to come in here and cause issues, I have a genuine query. What is it about guns that so many (mainly Americans in my experience) find.... fetishistic? What is it about them. It's not like these people just like or are interested in them, it seems like they are turned on by them. Why is that? I'm curious.
I'm guessing it is just your fetish to be turned on by the idea of American Gun Nutz actually being that way.
What ever floats your boat, Stud.
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"Had to" get one, in order to enter the 100th Anniversary Armistice match at Bisley in November.
Ian from Forgotten Weapons is also shooting the match, apparently, so that's cool
Nice, here’s mine along with its German counterpart the Gewehr 98. I was bought this by my uncle for my 21st birthday and he bought the Gewehr, when he passed away 3 years ago I got the Gewehr. Nice piece of history. Mines traced to Royal Irish Rifles issued, which is great as I had several relatives serve in the Royal Irish in ww1 as did my wife. My wife’s great grandfather fell on the 1st July 1916 at the Somme which still remains nearly a holy day here as so many families lost loved ones. We framed his bits and pieces in 2016 along with a bayonet from the a lee enfield given to his family by his comrades.
Edit: is that possibly a swedish mauser? The stock looks different, does it chamber 8mm or 6.5? (The 6.5 probably shoots better)
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Hollow wrote: I don't want to come in here and cause issues, I have a genuine query. What is it about guns that so many (mainly Americans in my experience) find.... fetishistic? What is it about them. It's not like these people just like or are interested in them, it seems like they are turned on by them. Why is that? I'm curious.
How droll that you took pains to specify explicitly that you meant to be insulting. Please don't crap up a thread that has been running 5 years with this nonsense.
So you aren't even allowed to ask questions about this? I live in Scotland, which has very strict gun laws. I enjoy clay pigeon shooting and appreciate the shotgun I use to do it, so I'm not 'anti-gun'. It was a genuine question asked in a genuine manner. There is an undeniable set of people who view guns as more than just a tool, it's like it allows them to make up for all the things they are self conscious about not having, they idolise them, they take any questions or curiosity about how others see guns as a grievous attack on their idols. A little like you have just done there . The fact that you have taken such great offence at a mere question.... well.... perhaps you should take some time off the internet if such an innocuous question can hurt you so terribly.
@ Anvildude... I really liked your response and found many of your points interesting. Thanks.
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Edit: is that possibly a swedish mauser? The stock looks different, does it chamber 8mm or 6.5? (The 6.5 probably shoots better)
The grip at the front makes it look more like the Swedish mauser but it fires the 7.92. I don’t shoot much at all apart from my little anchutz .22 semi so I’m no expert in the abilities of either of these antique weapons. In fact neither have been fired in over two years and I could safely say they wouldn’t have 50 rounds through the two of them in the last 10!
Hollow wrote: I don't want to come in here and cause issues, I have a genuine query. What is it about guns that so many (mainly Americans in my experience) find.... fetishistic? What is it about them. It's not like these people just like or are interested in them, it seems like they are turned on by them. Why is that? I'm curious.
How droll that you took pains to specify explicitly that you meant to be insulting. Please don't crap up a thread that has been running 5 years with this nonsense.
So you aren't even allowed to ask questions about this? I live in Scotland, which has very strict gun laws. I enjoy clay pigeon shooting and appreciate the shotgun I use to do it, so I'm not 'anti-gun'. It was a genuine question asked in a genuine manner. There is an undeniable set of people who view guns as more than just a tool, it's like it allows them to make up for all the things they are self conscious about not having, they idolise them, they take any questions or curiosity about how others see guns as a grievous attack on their idols. A little like you have just done there . The fact that you have taken such great offence at a mere question.... well.... perhaps you should take some time off the internet if such an innocuous question can hurt you so terribly.
@ Anvildude... I really liked your response and found many of your points interesting. Thanks.
His point is that this thread has lasted 5 years because we try to prevent discussions from obviously loaded questions out of here. Like was already mentioned this thread is about the guns we own. If you want to talk about your shotgun have at it, but please keep anything else out.
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Hollow wrote: I don't want to come in here and cause issues, I have a genuine query. What is it about guns that so many (mainly Americans in my experience) find.... fetishistic? What is it about them. It's not like these people just like or are interested in them, it seems like they are turned on by them. Why is that? I'm curious.
How droll that you took pains to specify explicitly that you meant to be insulting. Please don't crap up a thread that has been running 5 years with this nonsense.
So you aren't even allowed to ask questions about this? I live in Scotland, which has very strict gun laws. I enjoy clay pigeon shooting and appreciate the shotgun I use to do it, so I'm not 'anti-gun'. It was a genuine question asked in a genuine manner. There is an undeniable set of people who view guns as more than just a tool, it's like it allows them to make up for all the things they are self conscious about not having, they idolise them, they take any questions or curiosity about how others see guns as a grievous attack on their idols. A little like you have just done there . The fact that you have taken such great offence at a mere question.... well.... perhaps you should take some time off the internet if such an innocuous question can hurt you so terribly.
@ Anvildude... I really liked your response and found many of your points interesting. Thanks.
I guess you can ask questions about it, guns aren't a banned topic in OT (yet) like politics and religion are, but I would do it in a separate thread. Gun debate threads get quite heated, and starting a discussion in this thread would get it off topic real fast. The topic of this thread is to just talk about what guns people have, what they do with them, maintenance and so on. For deeper questions/discussions you'd get a much better response if you make a separate thread.
Hollow wrote: I don't want to come in here and cause issues, I have a genuine query. What is it about guns that so many (mainly Americans in my experience) find.... fetishistic? What is it about them. It's not like these people just like or are interested in them, it seems like they are turned on by them. Why is that? I'm curious.
How droll that you took pains to specify explicitly that you meant to be insulting. Please don't crap up a thread that has been running 5 years with this nonsense.
So you aren't even allowed to ask questions about this? I live in Scotland, which has very strict gun laws. I enjoy clay pigeon shooting and appreciate the shotgun I use to do it, so I'm not 'anti-gun'. It was a genuine question asked in a genuine manner. There is an undeniable set of people who view guns as more than just a tool, it's like it allows them to make up for all the things they are self conscious about not having, they idolise them, they take any questions or curiosity about how others see guns as a grievous attack on their idols. A little like you have just done there . The fact that you have taken such great offence at a mere question.... well.... perhaps you should take some time off the internet if such an innocuous question can hurt you so terribly.
Get real. You asked why people were sexually aroused by their firearms. You know perfectly well this is trolling under the guise of "I'm just asking questions". Do think you would get a less hostile answer if you asked that elsewhere in the forum about Tau, or Resin, or hobby knives? Why do you think it's OK to beat your wife? I mean, I'm just asking questions, man.
Your condescending, garbage equivocations reveal your true, contemptuous intent.
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Just hit the 'ignore' button folks, only way to get rid of the troll is to burn it with the fire of our indifference.
On topic, I recently discovered a love for the M1A courtesy of my dad going on about a pair he had when he was younger. The price tag alone is enough to make it a dream piece, but if I ever get the scratch together to snag one, I'll be a happy camper.
Haven't read all 5 years of posts, but has anyone used one?
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M1A's are a lot of fun to shoot and are highly distinctive looking, which is neat.
That said, for a 7.62x51, there are tons of options that are more accurate, more reliable, more modular, more ergonomic, and lighter, for the same cost or less if you are looking for shooting performance. At its core its still basically a Garand, originating in the 1920's in terms of design.
I'd like to get one some day just to round out my FAL and G3 clones, but for what they go for it will unfortunately be a while.
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