Blessing of The Blood God "Am i reading this right?"

Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:

No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.

If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

**crudcakes**

It says in the codex chaos daemons that blessing of the blood god means that you have a 2+ invulnerable save against wounds from force weapons and psychic attacks.
Am i reading this right or does this really mean you have a 2+ invulnerable save against most grey knights and even dread knights!

**Lennysfury**

Yes that is what it means. But even with that to help demons out, they are still very underpowered against grey knights. You have to tailor a demon list to even have a chance to beat them, but that tailored list blows against most other armies. And only a few khorne models can get it one of them being flesh hounds which are horrible units.

**mrblacksunshine_1978**

The only problem with that is Grey Knights have psychic power called Dark Excommunication that can nerd the collar powers.

**Ascalam**

Hardly the only problem

Dark excommuniication blows if you are a chaos player.

They have all sorts of other nasty little tricks to spring on the opponent too, and some of them are a tad gorgonzola...

**somerandomdude**

Considering you have to Deep Strike outside of 12" vs. GKSS, the only models that would really show their power would be Flesh Hounds (or lone Heralds on Chariots/Juggernauts).

Unfortunately, usually you only want one unit with Karanak. Then you're still suffering from being Beasts and not being able to hit people in ruins.

Everyone else is either:

Max 12" charge range
Max 18" charge range, meaning you need a favorable scatter
Max 24" charge range but multi-wound with no BotBG

**crudcakes**

Dark excommunication blows but if you stick something with blessing of the blood god (blood thirster) against some thing without dark excommunication (kaldor dragio and 5 paladins then there isn't any problem. (unless they are joined by lets say a librarian)

**Mephistoles1**

Each instance of Dark excommunication also only works on one unit I believe, so if you multi charge, they will need to pick which unit the power will affect.

Its still a pretty harsh blow though.

**crudcakes**

So a multi charge on kaldor dragio a librarian and 5 paladins with two daemon princes or blood thirsters with blessing of the blood god will decimate the squad?

**DarknessEternal**

crudcakes wrote:So a multi charge on kaldor dragio a librarian and 5 paladins with two daemon princes or blood thirsters with blessing of the blood god will decimate the squad?

That's not really a rules question since there's no definite answer.

**crudcakes**

Ok thanks for the help

**AlmightyWalrus**

crudcakes wrote:So a multi charge on kaldor dragio a librarian and 5 paladins with two daemon princes or blood thirsters with blessing of the blood god will decimate the squad?

If the Librarian has Dark Excommunication then no. He can cast it at least twice...

**crudcakes**

But the librarian has to be in base contact with the foe to use it
so does that mean a multi charge will work now?

**nosferatu1001**

If the libby is in contact with both units, then yes...

**Sothas**

Yeah it works vs. a lot of GK stuff. I'd even go so far as to say that you'd get the 2++ vs warp quake too. The force weapons have to be activated though, and most GKs won't bother vs daemons since you've gotta take a leadership test for every unsaved wound or be removed.

As for dark excomunication, Libbies can take it, but dreadknights get it for free, so you need to watch for that too. It does only work on one unit in base to base with the libby or DK, but the libby can cast it twice. Every all comers list that knows there's at least 1 daemon player in the tournament will take the power with thier libby since it's only 5 points. It's 5 points that are worth it, even if only used vs one army.

Also be weary that it will remove absolutely everything that daemon unit has. No power weapons, no rending, no 3+ armor save. It kills it all. Just about the only thing it leaves is the daemon rule which makes you even easier to be killed by a GK.

**nosferatu1001**

Warp quake does not inflict wounds, so no luck there.

**The Acolyte**

Grey Knights will win regardless of the magic 2+ save. they are simply designed to kill chaos. However unless your running a dreadknight list or a very balanced army or a very good player its mostly an uphill struggle to win against any other army due to be heavily outnumbered every game

**Sothas**

nosferatu1001 wrote:Warp quake does not inflict wounds, so no luck there.

I thought it was just vs all psychic powers period.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Warp quake does not inflict wounds, so no luck there.

I thought it was just vs all psychic powers period.

p.s. My 200th post. WOO

**crudcakes**

Congrats on the 200th post and im pretty shure ill have an expendable dp and i dont always have to use the collar but if i do ill probably stick fateweaver there so he can re roll it and that would be dangerous!

**veritechc**

I play a Grey Knight army that shoots, a lot. Most Daemons have a 5+ invulnerable save. I don't need Dark Excommunication when you are in base to base contact if I have already blown you away from 24 inches away.

I played Daemons for a long painful year. There is simply nothing to be done against Grey Knights. Scoop your models and play a different opponent. Add to the fact that Grey Knights can mitigate your deep striking or god forbid take Coetaz with some Plasma Cannon Servitors and you are just done for.

A 2+ save is great, if you ever get to use it...

**nosferatu1001**

Sothas - how are you taking a save, which only works against WOUNDS, against something that causes you to Mishap - which does not cause wounds?

**crudcakes**

Well ill probably be having a battle against grey knights tomorrow so i hope my daemons can do the impossible and pull of a win against the grey knights.

Also it is said that in the last edition of daemons you had a 2+ save against all psychic attacks.

Sorry if that is not related to rules i can get a bit off topic sometimes.

**nosferatu1001**

Yes; buty ou would still NOT get any sort of save against Warp Quake, as Saves are against Wounds and Warp quake does NOT cause wounds. Same as JotWW - Blessings of the Blood God does nothing.

Hopefully when they redo the book they willmake Khorne models have more of an offensive effect - causing any power targetted / affecting them cause perils in the caster would be good, showing Khornes displeasure at those psykers!

**crudcakes**

A brass scorpion of khorne does that.

**Xca|iber**

nosferatu1001 wrote:Yes; buty ou would still NOT get any sort of save against Warp Quake, as Saves are against Wounds and Warp quake does NOT cause wounds. Same as JotWW - Blessings of the Blood God does nothing.

Hopefully when they redo the book they willmake Khorne models have more of an offensive effect - causing any power targetted / affecting them cause perils in the caster would be good, showing Khornes displeasure at those psykers!

He may be thinking of the other Blessing of the Blood God. There are at least 2 special rules with that name (FW might have their own too).

Also, I don't know if this is mentioned, but the Chaos Daemons version of Blessing of the Blood God will work against all force weapons, even if they aren't "activated," since it simply grants a save against Force Weapons, which is what a force weapon is regardless of its Instant Death status.

**Sothas**

Yeah, just read it. That sucks. I thought it was vs all psychic powers. I'm so tired of Chaos sucking. I want a new dex!

**crudcakes**

Your not alone i want a new dex too, chaos marines and daemons although good are nothing compared to the new 5th edition codexes.

**Deadshot**

Dark Excommunication isn't a big problem. Unless they are tailoring for Daemons, then they normally won't take it on the Libbies. Those 5pts would be better spent on MC weapons or other Libby powerrs. The other place is Dreadknights, which are powerful enough. The good news is that unless he has a Daemon Hammer, he can either be Str 7 and let you have it, or Str 6 and not.

**Manchu**

Please do not post in threads that no one has posted in for months and months.

Thanks!