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Head office has informed me that the price of finecast minitures will be the same price to the old metal minitures and that the old metal minitures will still be avalible for years on their website.
i just thought id tell you guys that info

bye

If this is true, and the metal models are staying, are their prices going up? If not, this spending spree I'm on right now to get all the metals I need is pointless and depressing :\

GW officially announced, on their site, price rises. What of that?

SALT

Wait... what is your connection to the head office?

Not at all. Think how much rage you can build up against GW for falsely announcing a price increase to bump demand.

I'm not sure if oceanice has got the full story, actually.

Dark Sphere posted the full price change list and it clearly showed increases of from 4% to 25% on nearly everything.

I still cant believe they think a 25% increase is a good thing.

carmachu wrote:I still cant believe they think a 25% increase is a good thing.

Well this article http://tabletophooligans.com/?p=241 besides the ranting, confirms what many have been thinking for a while now, that GWs sales numbers are steadily decreasing, by more than 10% since 2006 and they are slowly but surely eating their own customer base.

xxvaderxx wrote:

carmachu wrote:I still cant believe they think a 25% increase is a good thing.

Well this article http://tabletophooligans.com/?p=241 besides the ranting, confirms what many have been thinking for a while now, that GWs sales numbers are steadily decreasing, by more than 10% since 2006 and they are slowly but surely eating their own customer base.

Making a 75% markup on the items they sell in stores? 75% Markup = 42.9% Gross Profit, that's just crazy! Why would they be having these bi-annual price hikes if they were making such profit? Surely they know they'd move more product if prices were lower and thus sale would be greater, even if it was at a smaller profit the increased sales would make up for that.

xxvaderxx wrote:

carmachu wrote:I still cant believe they think a 25% increase is a good thing.

Well this article http://tabletophooligans.com/?p=241 besides the ranting, confirms what many have been thinking for a while now, that GWs sales numbers are steadily decreasing, by more than 10% since 2006 and they are slowly but surely eating their own customer base.

And those sales numbers decreasing coincide nicely with the 'popping' of the aptly named "Lord of the Rings Bubble".

Once the movies died down, GW's products stopped being in 'mainstream' places like Borders, Barnes and Noble, and even Toys-R-Us.

Well, if their products stay so damn expensive, I won't ever start a LotR army... especially seeing as I'll battle to finish my 40k one. Then there's Lizardmen as well!

The way I see it, if I've been in the hobby for 10-12 years, I'll start a new 40k army on 2+, a WHFB army on 3+ and a LotR army on 5+... If you take away those vets, you're taking away the biggest base of consumers that LotR miniatures ever had!

Kanluwen wrote:

xxvaderxx wrote:

carmachu wrote:I still cant believe they think a 25% increase is a good thing.

Well this article http://tabletophooligans.com/?p=241 besides the ranting, confirms what many have been thinking for a while now, that GWs sales numbers are steadily decreasing, by more than 10% since 2006 and they are slowly but surely eating their own customer base.

And those sales numbers decreasing coincide nicely with the 'popping' of the aptly named "Lord of the Rings Bubble".

Once the movies died down, GW's products stopped being in 'mainstream' places like Borders, Barnes and Noble, and even Toys-R-Us.

Actually if anybody bothered to look, how much have GW prices increased since 2005? at least 50%, how much has their sales numbers increased 25% at the very much.

Thats a problem.

I love the hobby, but GW consistently makes moronic business decisions. They are the most successful miniatures gaming company in the world, which says a lot. But then you look at the fact that they have had no real competition and that they were the first movers and you can surmise that the lack of industry push back from any viable competitors has made them lazy.

xxvaderxx wrote:

carmachu wrote:I still cant believe they think a 25% increase is a good thing.

Well this article http://tabletophooligans.com/?p=241 besides the ranting, confirms what many have been thinking for a while now, that GWs sales numbers are steadily decreasing, by more than 10% since 2006 and they are slowly but surely eating their own customer base.

Not telling me anything I already didnt know. Anyone reading their reports can see they havent gained unit sales, only lost them for years. Only revenue from outside items, price increases and reductions in cost have made them money, not actual sales.

xxvaderxx wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

xxvaderxx wrote:

carmachu wrote:I still cant believe they think a 25% increase is a good thing.

Well this article http://tabletophooligans.com/?p=241 besides the ranting, confirms what many have been thinking for a while now, that GWs sales numbers are steadily decreasing, by more than 10% since 2006 and they are slowly but surely eating their own customer base.

And those sales numbers decreasing coincide nicely with the 'popping' of the aptly named "Lord of the Rings Bubble".

Once the movies died down, GW's products stopped being in 'mainstream' places like Borders, Barnes and Noble, and even Toys-R-Us.

Actually if anybody bothered to look, how much have GW prices increased since 2005? at least 50%, how much has their sales numbers increased 25% at the very much.

Thats a problem.

And if you bothered to read my post, rather than say "if anybody bothered to look at my link", you'd know that this idea isn't actually news.

It's been known for a long time that after 2005-2006, their sales numbers dropped--hard.
Their price raises, theoretically, have been to try to offset that drop in sales numbers rather than actively marketing(which would be kind of limited in its effectiveness) or changing up how they do their product or any number of other ways to try to increase sales numbers while lowering prices.

Kanluwen wrote:
And those sales numbers decreasing coincide nicely with the 'popping' of the aptly named "Lord of the Rings Bubble".

Once the movies died down, GW's products stopped being in 'mainstream' places like Borders, Barnes and Noble, and even Toys-R-Us.

Not just that, but also following trends like loss of sales in NA from killing internet carts and other things. The harder you make it for folks to get your products, the less sales you have.


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Kanluwen wrote:

It's been known for a long time that after 2005-2006, their sales numbers dropped--hard.
Their price raises, theoretically, have been to try to offset that drop in sales numbers rather than actively marketing(which would be kind of limited in its effectiveness) or changing up how they do their product or any number of other ways to try to increase sales numbers while lowering prices.

It started before that, if you look closely enough. Same time as they got rid of carts in the US their unit sales dropped. The LOTR bubble masked alot of problems with their core games.

Actually the LoTR bubble burst in 2004, the year after the last film was released.

The GW web site only carries financial information back to 2006, though. The main share trading sites only seem to go back three or five years too.

Kilkrazy wrote:Actually the LoTR bubble burst in 2004, the year after the last film was released.

It will pop back into existence again next year when The Hobbit is released. It's going to be a great day when GW finally pays attention to that part of their range again.

Yes, I agree. I have been saying for some time that they should do well out of The Hobbit.

They mustn't let it hide the underlying rot, though.

oceanice wrote:Head office has informed me that the price of finecast minitures will be the same price to the old metal minitures and that the old metal minitures will still be avalible for years on their website.
i just thought id tell you guys that info

bye

By head office, you mean you called mailorder? Can you be a tad more exact on how you got the information?

Male cow faeces.

Autarch Fiallathandirel wrote:

xxvaderxx wrote:

carmachu wrote:I still cant believe they think a 25% increase is a good thing.

Well this article http://tabletophooligans.com/?p=241 besides the ranting, confirms what many have been thinking for a while now, that GWs sales numbers are steadily decreasing, by more than 10% since 2006 and they are slowly but surely eating their own customer base.

Making a 75% markup on the items they sell in stores? 75% Markup = 42.9% Gross Profit, that's just crazy! Why would they be having these bi-annual price hikes if they were making such profit? Surely they know they'd move more product if prices were lower and thus sale would be greater, even if it was at a smaller profit the increased sales would make up for that.

I didn't think I was *that* ranty.

And that's a 75% margin on some products sold in THEIR stores. Which only account for about 45% of the total volume for their business. Which is still, as I said in the article, bloody embarrassing, but when you account for newer kits not being as profitable due to the fact they haven't paid off the molds, the fact that sales through independent retailers aren't as profitable, and so forth, it does jive with the ultimate net profit margin of ~12.7% being pretty spot on.

Which, by the way, is still pretty damn amazing, incidentally, Exxon-Mobile didn't have a net profit margin over 10% last year, in case you were wondering, if I remember correctly. I don't remember 100% for sure, I'm still doing research for my follow up article.

I've physically held the new price sheet. There is a price hike. I was hunting around specifically for my dwarves and saw $.75 on dwarf heroes and $3 on my warmachines. That's 5% and a little under 10% respectively.

Most posters here misunderstood the first post.

1.) There is a price increase for paper and plastic products announced on the GW website, with several lists published. This thread is not about them.

2.) Then there are the finecast versions of former metal miniatures. These are supposed to go up in price, even when the production costs are lower. Current price lists support that price increase. The OP now says that the head office has decided to keep the original prices for those miniatures. If this is true, it is a decision of the last few days and a reaction to the internet rage. We will see within 6 days if this is true.

Kanluwen wrote:Once the movies died down, GW's products stopped being in 'mainstream' places like Borders, Barnes and Noble, and even Toys-R-Us.

I doubt that GW was ever smart enough to sell their product range in Toys-R-Us.

Kroothawk wrote:Most posters here misunderstood the first post.

1.) There is a price increase for paper and plastic products announced on the GW website, with several lists published. This thread is not about them.

2.) Then there are the finecast versions of former metal miniatures. These are supposed to go up in price, even when the production costs are lower. Current price lists support that price increase. The OP now says that the head office has decided to keep the original prices for those miniatures. If this is true, it is a decision of the last few days and a reaction to the internet rage. We will see within 6 days if this is true.

VERY good point - and to be honest, it is the only reason this thread is staying open.

Start the Countdown Clock!

(Recently freed up by the Rapture That Wasn't!)

Alpharius wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Most posters here misunderstood the first post.

1.) There is a price increase for paper and plastic products announced on the GW website, with several lists published. This thread is not about them.

2.) Then there are the finecast versions of former metal miniatures. These are supposed to go up in price, even when the production costs are lower. Current price lists support that price increase. The OP now says that the head office has decided to keep the original prices for those miniatures. If this is true, it is a decision of the last few days and a reaction to the internet rage. We will see within 6 days if this is true.

VERY good point - and to be honest, it is the only reason this thread is staying open.

Start the Countdown Clock!

(Recently freed up by the Rapture That Wasn't!)

+1
Anyway GW is killing itself.

Kroothawk wrote:Most posters here misunderstood the first post.

1.) There is a price increase for paper and plastic products announced on the GW website, with several lists published. This thread is not about them.

2.) Then there are the finecast versions of former metal miniatures. These are supposed to go up in price, even when the production costs are lower. Current price lists support that price increase. The OP now says that the head office has decided to keep the original prices for those miniatures. If this is true, it is a decision of the last few days and a reaction to the internet rage. We will see within 6 days if this is true.

Kanluwen wrote:Once the movies died down, GW's products stopped being in 'mainstream' places like Borders, Barnes and Noble, and even Toys-R-Us.

I doubt that GW was ever smart enough to sell their product range in Toys-R-Us.

This could be true and all, but GW has already pissed me off that I am no longer one of their customers.

GW can try to repair the damage, but that will only fool short sighted people. Much like a dog who has been beaten, I won't go back just because my "master" hands me a treat afterwards. Shame though, that many of you will go right back, blind, for more beatings.

As for the Hobbit movies coming, history will just repeat itself. GW will get an influx of money, bloat their business model with new, uneeded stores, and inflate their costs, instead of cutting their brtick and mortar cancer, investing in a dedicated team of people to iron out playable rules and bring the prices of their models to a realistic level.

As it is now, only the blind and addicts stay with GW out of some misguided love for "the hobby".

Go back to your treats guys.

BuFFo wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Most posters here misunderstood the first post.

1.) There is a price increase for paper and plastic products announced on the GW website, with several lists published. This thread is not about them.

2.) Then there are the finecast versions of former metal miniatures. These are supposed to go up in price, even when the production costs are lower. Current price lists support that price increase. The OP now says that the head office has decided to keep the original prices for those miniatures. If this is true, it is a decision of the last few days and a reaction to the internet rage. We will see within 6 days if this is true.

Kanluwen wrote:Once the movies died down, GW's products stopped being in 'mainstream' places like Borders, Barnes and Noble, and even Toys-R-Us.

I doubt that GW was ever smart enough to sell their product range in Toys-R-Us.

This could be true and all, but GW has already pissed me off that I am no longer one of their customers.

GW can try to repair the damage, but that will only fool short sighted people. Much like a dog who has been beaten, I won't go back just because my "master" hands me a treat afterwards. Shame though, that many of you will go right back, blind, for more beatings.

As for the Hobbit movies coming, history will just repeat itself. GW will get an influx of money, bloat their business model with new, uneeded stores, and inflate their costs, instead of cutting their brtick and mortar cancer, investing in a dedicated team of people to iron out playable rules and bring the prices of their models to a realistic level.

As it is now, only the blind and addicts stay with GW out of some misguided love for "the hobby".

Go back to your treats guys.

Umadbro?!

Quick to insult others just because they are not doing the same as you?

It's your choice if you want to continue buying the miniatures/ leave GW forever. We'll do what we want, and what our wallets allow us

I may have dessicated myself with the amount of salt I'm taking this with.