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withershadow wrote:This post is nonsense, and I can't believe it hasn't been mod-locked/deleted yet.

Rumors of the same pricing just as they announce a price hike as high as 25% for some stuff? Yea...


I agree with you, withershadow, but not simply because I'd like to get the arrogant trolls off my case. I agree because there are clearly some people who feel the need to attack others across the board and empower themselves through talking smack to people and turn a spirited conversation into a personal attack due to their own beliefs and their distaste for people they disagree with.

Redbeard: Your issues with me are inconsequential. I don't care what you think, who you find credible, or how you feel about GW. I am here to make my case, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Disagree, that's cool. That's your right. Insult me, that's cool too, because it doesn't bother me a damn bit. Call BS on my points, doesn't matter. Keep baiting me into playing your tit-for-tat games, whatever man, I truthfully don't care if I don't win your little arguments because your viewpoint is filled with arrogant assumptions whether you ever admit it or not. By your own admittance you haven't got proof in the way of GWs corporate figures to back up what is good or not good for them. You think you can cut me down and silence my points by insinuating that they're only going to be valid if I run a game shop or work at GW HQ, but truth be told - nobody much cares. I honestly don't give a damn at all if you trip over this - I don't like what is going on in GW's latest trends, and I will speak on my own behalf, and on the account of the many thousands of others that agree with me. I don't care if the little presentation you expect me make here is filled with "real world data" or not because I am not here to please you and win you over. I am not here to jump through your little credibility hoops or sate your need for an ego-stroke.

What GW is doing, contrived via market forces or not, is taking it's toll on this hobby and the disconnect between people like you and I is case in point. It's not unique, all over the forums across the net this drama is playing out because GW has pissed people off. If you like it, cool, more power to you. I don't, and I don't have to. And honestly, apologists and fanboys like you that cling to such radical justifications for what is going are the ones who seem most likely to be living in "fantasy land."

I'm not going to devote any more time to entertaining your ego, feel free to respond to this if you like - bait, bait, bait, and bait me, I'm done with you. Your continued presence here, with all the negativity you're bringing in on a personal level is definitive proof that you're a real "winner" bud - keep on trolling and hating on people when they state their views, I'm sure the community appreciates it.

The reality stands - people are angry with GW, and no matter how that makes you feel, no matter what you think about it - it is fact, and it's not good for the hobby.

Edited for a typo - seeya.

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who made your opinion credible, anyways?


I didn't say my opinion was credible. You're questioning GW's business acumen. I'm questioning your qualifications relative to THEM, not to me. They run a multi-million dollar business. You feel that's something you can do based on "common sense."

My "claims" are the fact that a lot of people are out there, upset over the fact that they cannot afford to be as involved in the hobby as they used to be


Ok, and why is that?

You've been shown that GW plastic kits are priced similarly to other plastic kits.

You've been shown that the price of GW kits has only slightly outpaced inflation.

I'm not going to tell people that they can or can't afford something. Let's assume they genuinely can't. If that's the case, then everything I'm seeing indicates that this has more to do with a general financial downturn, changing priorities in their life, etc.

Please look at what you're saying. You're irritated that we're talking about the change of prices over time, but then you restate your central argument as being about the change of prices over time.

I have been consistent in saying that their model of business is going to lead the hobby into a crappy direction as more people get out of it and scale back their purchases as a result of the events we see again and again.


Instead of going to one of the numerous other options for miniatures gaming? Or are all those companies just as evil, shortsighted and otherwise inferior to you in business acumen? Sounds to me like it's past time for you to start your own company, and eat those guys' lunch.

Heh, you love your abrasive little questions, don't you?


I think you find them abrasive because I'm trying to get you to take responsibility for your own words, to actually say something specific, rather than vague, generalized anti-GW negativity.

It's really very simple.

You've been shown that GW plastic kits are priced similarly to other plastic kits.

You've been shown that the price of GW kits has only slightly outpaced inflation.

Either refute one (preferrably both) of those points, or admit you're wrong.

UK inflation was running under 2% a year for much of the decade preceding the global financial crisis.


Right, but now it's 4.5%. We can get some numbers as to what the inflation rate was in England over a given time period, but we need to know what that time period is.

We have a figure of ~40% price increase over the last 9 years. A quick google suggests the rate over that same period was about 2.5%, on average. Compounding that over 9 years, you get about 25%. That leaves about 15% over 9 years, or about a 1.67% annual increase, corrected for inflation.

Is that a lot? Does that make or break the hobby for people? I really can't believe that it does. I tend to think that these people saying "I can't afford it anymore" could afford it just fine if their priorities were the same as when they were playing more heavily.

Yeah, the problem with that is that the economies of most industrialized nations contracted a couple of points last year yet GW still raised prices...holding steady, that isn't.


GDP isn't the same as inflation. Inflation in most (all?) first world countries has continued mostly unabated for decades. It's a symptom of a credit based economy.

More like, they are slowly dying.


I would think they probably are, actually. But then I would also like to see how they're dying relative to other plastic model companies. I'd think it's much the same. The fact is, more and more entertainment is becoming virtual. People stop buying remote control cars, and they start playing Gran Turismo. People stop playing DnD and they start playing WoW. I realize it's not THE SAME, but there's overlap, and there's lost market share.

As Redbeard said, even if GW IS in decline (and I've seen no proof that they are), it's not necessarily bad management. It could simply be a case of the demise of miniatures wargaming in general. The fact that people refuse to consider that is just another demonstration of their agenda: they want to be mad at GW, they don't want to know the truth.

people are angry with GW


Yeah, and 25% of people think there's a conspiracy behind 9-11. What's your point?



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I would say their precipitously-dropping sales figures are decent evidence that they are indeed in decline. They are forced to ever more desperate measures to keep themselves in the black. Firing most of their store staff last year (was that last year? all their evil blends together after a while ) helped, now they're hoping crushing the nuts of non-EU citizens that used to order from the EU will do the same (I don't think it will). I don't have any idea what they hope to accomplish with the new release schedule.
   
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Your continued presence here, with all the negativity you're bringing in on a personal level is definitive proof that you're a real "winner" bud


This just isn't accurate. You've been as abrasive as he has, if not more. You've been FAR more negative. Your whole point is a negative commentary on GW.

The reason you feel attacked is because your arguments are being attacked effectively, and you've completely ruled out the possibility of actually listenting to what anybody else is saying. Redbeard can't be right because he's a jerk.

You're angry. You think you're being disrespected. You keep trying to say "I don't care if you agree with me." You're rejecting the very idea of logical debate. You're just saying, "I'm gonna say what I want, I don't even CARE what you say." You're plugging your ears and nyah-nyah-nyah-ing.

I'll tell you why you're angry, and Redbeard and I aren't. It's because losing is frustrating, and that's what you're doing. I'm not in the least big angry. I'm instead glad that I actually got around to learning the real info on GW's pricing increases over the time I've participated in the hobby.


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I would say their precipitously-dropping sales figures are decent evidence that they are indeed in decline.


I'm seeing a lot of people claiming this is going on, but I'm not seeing any support for it. Do I have to go look this up for you as well?


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http://investor.games-workshop.com/downloads/results/results2010/2009-10_FinalFullYearReport.pdf

Go to p59. Stop being wrong.

Gross Revenue:
2010: 126,511
2009: 125,706
2008: 110,345
2007: 109,501
2006: 114,468

Profits:
2010: 16,120
2009: 7,458
2008: 1,062
2007: (2,678)
2006: 4,524

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Edit: Nevermind, I was an idiot and misread it. Sorry.

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Profit is not the same as sales *volume*. Sales volume is particularly relevant to a socially based product.

2010: Cost of sales = 30.6M. 2009 Cost of sales = 35.9M
2010: Cost of Operations: 82.8M. 2009 Cost of Operations: 84.3M.
Total sales went up only 0.8M from 09 to 10. After factoring in the price increases, this is pitiful.
And the confirmation? GW doesn't ever say in the report that sales are increasing. It would be printed in big capital letters on the first page if it were true. Instead, they dodge around and say 'we're looking to get back to growth' or 'we trimmed the fat'
GW is now a more profitable business. This will only increase after Finecast. But they simply aren't attracting customers.
   
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