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2011/05/26 07:21:18
Subject: Lion El'Jonson, Roboute Guilliman, and the Horus Heresy (Age of Darkness Discussion)
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Et In Arcadia Ego
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This thread was originally a BL News & Rumors thread that I accidentally helped hijack.
For those wondering where to post BL News & Rumors:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373580.page#2890772
My apologies to reds8n!
Manchu
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2011/05/31 14:31:40
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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OK - finished "AGE OF DARKNESS" this weekend, and while it was enjoyable, I didn't think it revealed anything too shocking and/or new.
However, some of you were hinting that it did.
So, what, apparently, did I miss? 
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2011/05/31 14:44:28
Subject: Re:Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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What was Guilliman writing ? The big title..?
..add that to The Lion's comments as the end of his tale.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2011/05/31 17:25:18
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Phanobi
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Ok, now I need to get Age of Darkness!
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My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings.
Look on My works, Ye Mighty, and despair.
Chris Gohlinghorst wrote:Holy Space Marine on a Stick.
This conversation has even begun to boggle my internet-hardened mind.
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2011/05/31 17:26:03
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Alpharius wrote:OK - finished "AGE OF DARKNESS" this weekend, and while it was enjoyable, I didn't think it revealed anything too shocking and/or new.
However, some of you were hinting that it did.
So, what, apparently, did I miss?
I'm PMing you the biggest one. 
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2011/05/31 17:29:17
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Yeah, I agree with Alpharius - I didn't find anything too shocking in Age of Darkness. What did I miss??
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2011/05/31 17:35:38
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Ending of "Savage Weapons".
If you don't find that to be shocking--you're silly.
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2011/05/31 18:10:12
Subject: Re:Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Maybe it wasn't TOO shocking, but to be expected ....
Come on, only 2 sit around and write books instead of crusading. Both influence the IoM of "today" ( M41 ).
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2011/05/31 19:20:14
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Kan - you mind throwing the "shocking" part up in a spoiler?
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2011/05/31 19:33:02
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Sorry, didn't find the end of Savage Weapons to be that shocking. That accusation had been leveled at the Ultras before, so it fit right in with what some people thought. That was my take at least.
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2011/05/31 19:38:05
Subject: Re:Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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2011/05/31 19:42:48
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Death By Monkeys wrote:Kan - you mind throwing the "shocking" part up in a spoiler?
I will, but I'm going to do my standard huge spacing thing so any quoting doesn't reveal the spoiler.
To set up the backstory: "Savage Weapons" deals with the Night Lords and Dark Angels. More specifically, it's at the height of the Heresy with Curze burning his way across the outer worlds of the Imperium and Jonson hunting him down.
Now, here's the spoiler from the ending of the story, which ties in nicely (I thought at least) with Graham McNeill's "Rules of Engagement".
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2011/05/31 22:21:12
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Phanobi
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Whoah, Jonson hunting Curze?!
My pants are now abnormally tight.
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My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings.
Look on My works, Ye Mighty, and despair.
Chris Gohlinghorst wrote:Holy Space Marine on a Stick.
This conversation has even begun to boggle my internet-hardened mind.
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2011/06/01 04:17:38
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Hololithic is probably the most nonsense word ive seen all week.
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2011/06/01 13:48:33
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Can you guys put a little bit more text in before putting spoilers? Thread preview doesn't block spoilers.
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2011/06/01 17:15:02
Subject: Re:Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Maybe it was just me, but the ending of "Savage Weapons" sounded more like
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2011/06/01 17:15:59
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Add a bit more space, Alph! Spoiler bleedthrough!
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2011/06/01 17:36:30
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Will you hurry up and read AoD already!!!
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2011/06/01 17:37:27
Subject: Re:Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Alpharius wrote:Maybe it was just me, but the ending of "Savage Weapons" sounded more like
LOL Unless he was talking about
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Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
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2011/06/01 17:38:40
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Alpharius wrote:Will you hurry up and read AoD already!!!
I've already read it. But there might be others who haven't.
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2011/06/01 19:57:22
Subject: Re:Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Alpharius wrote:Maybe it was just me, but the ending of "Savage Weapons" sounded more like
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2011/06/01 20:38:23
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
Home Base: Prosper, TX (Dallas)
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Gotta say that out of AoD I was a huge fan of Savage Weapons (cause they are 2/3 favorite legions brawling it up) and the Iron Warriors story which is my 3rd favorite legion and was just an awesome read.
I'm horrible with the story names though and remember Savage Weapons only because it was the last one I read. I too was glad at some of what it revealed.
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2011/06/01 23:02:01
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Fixture of Dakka
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I didn't find Savage Weapons as amazing as everyone was saying actually, it was good, but I wasn't that amazed despite the revelations there.
Strangely, I didn't enjoy McNiell's or Abnett's stories (for once) and it was the 'new' writers that really shone through for me. The Last Remembrancer, Face of Treachery, Iron Within and Rebirth all stood out to me.
IMHO Forgotten Sons was the worst of the lot, I really don't think I'm a fan of Nick Kymes work sadly...
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Enlist as a virtual Ultramarine! Click here for my Chaos Gate (PC) thread.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2011/06/02 02:03:53
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Savage Weapons is the one AoD i have left. I saved it for last, as ADB usually really delivers. The highlight for me so far, easily, has been The Iron Within. It was a bit unpolished in places, but when it worked (most of the time), it was incredible.
While I think McNeill is talented, both The Last Church (from Tales of Heresy) and Rules of Engagement did nothing for me. Most people really liked them.
I did think that AoD was a very solid step above Tales of Heresy.
Looking forward to Battle of the Fang.
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Just finished Savage Weapons. I have the same read as Alph. I don't think there is a revelation there. Just a cynical perspective.
I still liked most of the stories quite a bit. Frankly, I don't want revelations simply for revelation's sake. I prefer well-written examinations of lesser seen aspects of the conflict. The smaller revelations, mostly fueled by POV and ruminations, often are more potent in the long run.
When the good guy is actually the bad guy or vice versa...that works ONCE. Much more interesting to see why the bad guy thinks he is good, and why the good guy wonders if he is bad. The former is a trick. The latter is storytelling.
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2011/06/02 07:22:17
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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The Iron Within is totally my favorite out of them.
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2011/06/02 15:07:27
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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I'm confused by the debate over the revelation in Savage Weapons. Wasn't that same revelation spelled out in much more explicit terms just a few pages into the very first story? I had to go back and read the opener to Rules of Engagement three times and I was still shocked that they'd been allowed to take the series down that road. The fact that the same revelation is discussed in much less certain terms later in another story seems unimportant, even if that story was a vastly better read.
Did people just miss the reveal in Rules of Engagement?
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2011/06/02 15:10:24
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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No, it is part of the discussion here, we're just tip-toeing around it for the sake of Spoilers and all that.
But, I still don't see it as a big Revelation - more of the Lion's Opinion of what is happening.
Still, it make the Ultramarines have a slightly darker shade of blue, and if that means the next SM Codex won't boldly proclaim that all Space Marines wish they were Ultramarine Tactical Squad members, that's OK by me!
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2011/06/02 15:21:00
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Interestingly enough, there are a couple of lines early in the Chapter's Due that can be read in a new light given Rules of Engagement. I wonder if McNeill had his short story in mind, at least in concept while he was writing.
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2011/06/03 12:07:30
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Alpharius wrote:But, I still don't see it as a big Revelation - more of the Lion's Opinion of what is happening.
But, having read the interesting opener of Rules of Engagement before the long boring part, we all know that
Right?
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2011/06/03 14:13:12
Subject: Black library news and rumour thread II, aka Rise of the Bibliophile
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
Home Base: Prosper, TX (Dallas)
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I certainly thought so. Me thinks Gulliman hasn't quite purged himself as much as he thinks he has 
Que quote regarding roads, intentions, and hell 
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