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I picked up a Draigo at a GW store today. I've got mixed emotions about it, I really like the new material but the casting is so bad it is hard to like it. If GW can get their act together this will be a great change. That's a pretty big if.

I posted some pictures up here if you'd like to see the miscasts. They aren't too bad, but bad enough I have to get replacement arms.

http://armyundecided.blogspot.com/2011/05/citadel-finecast-review-first-model.html

My Draigo had the same wispy miscasts on the storm shield and tilt shield, and a big bubble on one of the leading edges of the storm bolter, obliterating that edge entirely.

That borwn/yellow stuff in the model is bits of the rubber mold.

I can't believe that these "mis castings" are being allowed by GW at all, especially since they have their whole "best of the best" complex about them *sigh*

Norserune wrote:I can't believe that these "mis castings" are being allowed by GW at all, especially since they have their whole "best of the best" complex about them *sigh*

I don't understand how a company can be this obtuse. They are pushing a change onto a community that doesn't (for the most part want it) and they are giving ammunition in spades to the haters. What are they thinking?

I was just suggesting to my friend that he should pick up this model... now I'm not so sure haha.

The Draigos at my local game store were all missing their Stormshields. I pointed it out and they agreed, and bitterly (toward GW, not me) took them off the rack.

QA seems to be a little lax on the "finecast" models...

I went in today, the daigo there from what I could see in the box looked fine.
However the Dante... the sprue with his body was entirely filled with flash and his axehead was bent back 30-40 degrees.
No way in the world I'd buy it.
The assembled Azhag in the store was missing a huge length of chain that had been miscast.

Other models had minor imperfections, enough that I'd be taking them back and asking for another/refund.

As other have pointed out, very poor form for a product pushed by GW as a leap forward in quality.

very, very minor issues with a tyrant guard I bought today. the tip of one of the arm spikes was missing and there was a small hole in the kneepad. But working with this stuff was AMAZING. it is so soft and easy to play with, I can file it with my fingernail.

spireland wrote:They are pushing a change onto a community that doesn't (for the most part want it)

People have been clamoring for all plastic for a decade.

DarknessEternal wrote:

spireland wrote:They are pushing a change onto a community that doesn't (for the most part want it)

People have been clamoring for all plastic for a decade.

I haven't met anyone in my local area that was complaining about the metal figs and "clamoring" to have them replaced in plastic or resin. I can see the logic, though from a pragmatic point of view this kind of change is terrible as it obvious that GW is not the type of country to learn how to do it right before they release it.

spireland wrote: as it obvious that GW is not the type of country

They aren't a country at all.

lol, but we do have to remember that all of these miscasts are from the first batch; the more casts they do, the better they will get at casting them. i personally love the new stuff, because the detail is just so crisp and ornate

DarknessEternal wrote:

spireland wrote:They are pushing a change onto a community that doesn't (for the most part want it)

People have been clamoring for all plastic for a decade.

This isnt plastic however. Plastic would have better quality. I could grudgingly move to plastic. I wont to this resin model.

The detail is only as good as the originals go, and the metals are exactly the same, stop beliving the GW crap that metal models are really undetailled - the resin minis are the sam in detail, I've seen them in the flesh - what a rip off, the flashing is appauling.

DarknessEternal wrote:

spireland wrote: as it obvious that GW is not the type of country

They aren't a country at all.

lol@country.

Should have been company.

I bought my Lord Commissar yesterday. The only thing that was out of the ordinary was that I lucked out and got a second bolt pistol.

WAAAAGGHH-god wrote:lol, but we do have to remember that all of these miscasts are from the first batch; the more casts they do, the better they will get at casting them. i personally love the new stuff, because the detail is just so crisp and ornate

They aren't selling peanuts, they're selling $20-30 single miniatures. If you're going to charge such a price, it had better be right, especially since the metal ones were fine.

Yes. It appears that plastic is better than resin!

Metal is terrible. Not the musical genre, but for the models, metal is really really bad. I didnt know that you got flashing and miscasts with resin in that same way.

The new plastic DE stuff Ive got has all be spectacularly brilliant, apart from the whyches shoulder pads that I had to GS.

Still tho, the new models theyve brought out just in resin look brilliant on the website, so if they can end up like that by the time I buy some I'll be happy!

I called GW this morning, and they gave me no trouble (as they do in my prior experience) sending me out the replacement bits. I was surprised my call went straight though, as I thought they may have had a bit heavier call volume today but perhaps the miscasts are not as widespread as it appears (or not as many folks bought them this weekend as I would have guessed).

They did ask for the batch code on the blister, so it may be the case that they have realized they have some quality issues and are trying to track down the problems.

NuggzTheNinja wrote:

WAAAAGGHH-god wrote:lol, but we do have to remember that all of these miscasts are from the first batch; the more casts they do, the better they will get at casting them. i personally love the new stuff, because the detail is just so crisp and ornate

They aren't selling peanuts, they're selling $20-30 single miniatures. If you're going to charge such a price, it had better be right, especially since the metal ones were fine.

what you are forgetting is that the metal models had exactly the same problems when they first came out, flashing, miscasts, bubbles, etc... but with the resin it is a lot easier to fix seeing as the material is so easy to reposition, shave down, and to sculpt on

If that is mould rubber stuck to the model that means the mould is damaged and in need of repair

Doesn't sound that clever or have I misunderstood the process?

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:If that is mould rubber stuck to the model that means the mould is damaged and in need of repair

Doesn't sound that clever or have I misunderstood the process?

You may have identified one of the problems they are having. If a model takes away some of the mold then the next one is missing something....

WAAAAGGHH-god wrote:what you are forgetting is that the metal models had exactly the same problems when they first came out, flashing, miscasts, bubbles, etc... but with the resin it is a lot easier to fix seeing as the material is so easy to reposition, shave down, and to sculpt on

How do you know that? i thought you only started warhammer not long ago?

WAAAAGGHH-god wrote:...what you are forgetting is that the metal models had exactly the same problems when they first came out, flashing, miscasts, bubbles, etc...

No, they didn't. I was collecting models back in the early 90's. I have models from mid-late 80's. There are two ways to get casting quality this poor: 1) cast with resin, 2) amateur casting. What kills me about this GW FineCast kool-aid that sp many people seem to be drinking is, they used the same molds from the metal minis to make the molds for the resin minis. They didn't re-sculpt minis. Finecast Eldrad will be the same thing as metal Eldrad. How can they claim better detail on something they haven't changed? It might be easier to see the detail on the resin versus plain pewter, but better detail? More detail? Charging 3-5 dollars more per model?


GW continues to amaze me. Their gall is limitless. They need to open an new GW HQ just to store their balls.


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WAAAAGGHH-god wrote:...but with the resin it is a lot easier to fix seeing as the material is so easy to reposition...

You should apply for a job as one of GW's PR staff.
That sounds exactly like a marketing statement I can see them making. "We're not interested in making better products. We're interested in making our products easier for the user to fix so they stop calling us for returns. We charge more for the convenience of fixing it yourself."





Ghidorah

This does happen to reflect poorly on GW as they have been hailing the "Finecast" line as the "Superior" and "Most advanced" way for them to go. Instead, they are setting up display models that are miscast, warped, bubbled flash heavy, still expensive, and the way they had been harping about their new method was it was sounding like "Perfect Cast" not "Mistake-Cast" as people have been complaining about. You would think that for a maiden voyage of the product, that they would have made sure to only allow the very best to go out, but instead, this shows a plant of workers getting the whip cracked to fulfill a deadline and make sure the frieght boxes were full, rather than makes sure there was a higher quality model that GW seemed to promise.

The whole thing about Finecast is, "If you have something to boast about, you better be able to back it up "

LunaHound wrote:The whole thing about Finecast is, "If you have something to boast about, you better be able to back it up "

Of which, the GW has fallen short!

shasolenzabi wrote:You would think that for a maiden voyage of the product, that they would have made sure to only allow the very best to go out

Scary/funny thought (depending on how you see GW now): Maybe they did...

Anyway, the whole hype was quite likely the worst thing GW could have done regarding Finecast. I can understand why they might have wanted some good news, but if you hype something as the best thing ever and as a milestone you have to follow suit with the quality. Hype and subpar quality is pretty bad news on the other hand.

Though not keen on the hype of any kind, and I'm certainly no-fan-boy, of course GW are gonna push Finecast like a the best thing ever, cos' they want us to buy in to it!

And, possibly I got lucky, but of the Finecast stuff I've picked up, Dark Eldar Succubus and Queek, they've been fine.
If anything, less flaws then many of the Metal Models I own.

Khaine77 wrote:Though not keen on the hype of any kind, and I'm certainly no-fan-boy, of course GW are gonna push Finecast like a the best thing ever, cos' they want us to buy in to it!

And, possibly I got lucky, but of the Finecast stuff I've picked up, Dark Eldar Succubus and Queek, they've been fine.
If anything, less flaws then many of the Metal Models I own.

I just don't get why they don't push the real benifits only (lighter, easier to assemble, doesn't break when dropped) instead of the makeweight claims they are spouting off with.