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If one were to go about starting Warriors of Chaos, what should I get? I was thinking of getting the Warriors of Chaos w/ the Mark of Khorne or Tzeentch and a Lord. So Dakka, ideas? Opinions?

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i have also just started Chaos, for me i went

2 25 man blocks of warriors with shields
2 nurgle sorcerors
1 warshrine
6 trolls
10 ogres
1 shaggoth
1 Nurgle lord
5 nurgle knights

I plan on having alot more monsters and yes, even some naff spawn, its a monster themed army
   
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Warriors are a perfect place to start, and you don't have to choose the Mark you want at first- you can try out different ones.

A lord is a great idea, too, but you might want to save the funds and just convert a model as a character at first, since characters are pretty expensive $$$-wise compared to rank and file, and you need a lot more rank and file.

   
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Norwalk, Connecticut

A chosen star is supposedly tough as nails too, just make sure you have the Champion with Favor of the Gods and a few warshrines around. PS, the Vampire Counts Corpse Cart with a hero on it makes an awesome Warshrine, just substitute Chaos Ponies in for the Zombies pulling the Cart. Works well. Dragon Ogres are also pretty good, and if you want a monster themed army, run Throgg the Troll King. I know there isn't a model yet, but just take an Ogre Kingdom Gorger, elongate the nose and ears, give him tusks and BAM-instant Throgg. Mine looks beautiful-and I'm hardly an expert converter, it's just that easy. A Troll army, led by Throgg, a couple Hellcannons, a couple Chosen stars, few warshrines, and your opponent is going to be pissing bricks. Maybe. Haven't tried it, but it's on the agenda (mark the Chosen Tzeentch with their bonuses to increase their chances of a 3+ wardsave

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Are you starting from scratch?

A chaos battalion have very useful units , infact i believe all the units you get are very functioning.

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The only unit I found pointless in the battalion is the dogs: everything else is great, especially since you want big blocks of marauders typically, and you get 20 in the starter. Usually you get 16 in a regular marauder box

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Okay, so in my GW shopping cart right now, I have: one Khorne Lord (the Finecast one), three units of WoC, and one unit of Knights. So should I add or remove anything?

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I'd advise holding off on the knights for now. Heavy Calvary are tricky to use in 8th edition. Perhaps you can proxy them for a bit and see how you like them?

It pains me to say it, as I love the image of the chaos knight, and is one the biggest reasons I started this army.

Sorcerors are important, and not so bad $ wise. Consider marauder on foot. They are ACE. I run a big horde with the mark of khorne and either flails and great weapons. They are cheap as dirt (points wise) and never disappoint me.

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Norwalk, Connecticut

I'll second the marauders. Skip the knights for now. Also, invest in something to make a warshrine. I think I mentioned the VC Corpse Cart as a good base earlier

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I would say that you should get:
30xMarauder horde with GW (GW hordes always work)
Chaos sorcerer (magic defence is always handy)
Chaos hellcannon (optional but is freaking great)
Exalted hero standard bearer (who doesnt love even more fearless WoC ?)


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Victoria B.C.

I dont like marauders personally so I have all warriors.

A sorcerer or 2 is never a bad idea you will use 2 at some point and a hero for sure a bsb is a good idea.

Knights are not bad especially at low points games IMO.

Hellcannon is a great unit to have causes terror and shoots a template

Overview of the WoC army book.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/388667.page#3171854
Ralin Givens is the chaos to my warriors. Ra Ra Ra go team awesome I mean chaos
Tzack Vahr Zhen's unholy followers.
all hail Howie Mandel deal or no deal it dosnt matter tzeentch wins
Khorne flakes part of a good breakfast when you plan to kill maim and burn all!!!

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I've always been tempted to play WoC to start WHFB, though I do have my skaven ready to be built and those high elves to trade for more skaven. I was curious about a few things. How many points is the battalion roughly? Also, how wierd would the CSM DP be in a fantasy army? I thought it would be interesting since other races would think the armour is demonic. Or would it make completely no sense. Not sure what else to ask about WoC.

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Victoria B.C.

The battalion can be quite a few points since the warriors are 16 pts a piece at cheapest plus mark banner and command.
Knights same thing except they are more points base.
Marauders not too many points same goes for dogs.

The drop pod i cant really think of anything other than terrain.

But I can tell you this if you keep your eyes open and watch ebay and local trading sites and the swap shop you can put an army together for quite cheap.

I built mine (not including all the fancy things I bought for just the look of it) I paid something like $300 canadian thats all 3k of fun (the list on on the army lists thread as WoC BLUE 2.0 ).

So ya its quite cheap to get a full army compared to other armies in fantasy.

Overview of the WoC army book.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/388667.page#3171854
Ralin Givens is the chaos to my warriors. Ra Ra Ra go team awesome I mean chaos
Tzack Vahr Zhen's unholy followers.
all hail Howie Mandel deal or no deal it dosnt matter tzeentch wins
Khorne flakes part of a good breakfast when you plan to kill maim and burn all!!!

Do you have enough Priests do you?
 
   
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Montreal

Drop pod?

It's good that they cost more since it makes them cheaper. More for less is always good. I mean, I'll have 2 sets of IoB skaven soon once I trade those elves, no idea how many points I can make with that, excluding using double of the heroes since I'm not sure how useful that'll be.

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Victoria B.C.

Drop pod as terrain they are just too big for almost anything else thats the sad thing.

The hero ebay him convert him.

Skaven are so dirt cheap per guy like I mean 2 points a slave 2 points.

Overview of the WoC army book.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/388667.page#3171854
Ralin Givens is the chaos to my warriors. Ra Ra Ra go team awesome I mean chaos
Tzack Vahr Zhen's unholy followers.
all hail Howie Mandel deal or no deal it dosnt matter tzeentch wins
Khorne flakes part of a good breakfast when you plan to kill maim and burn all!!!

Do you have enough Priests do you?
 
   
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Montreal

I still have no idea why you're talking about a drop pod.

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Victoria B.C.

You mentioned the drop pod and I was just saying it would be too big to use?

Overview of the WoC army book.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/388667.page#3171854
Ralin Givens is the chaos to my warriors. Ra Ra Ra go team awesome I mean chaos
Tzack Vahr Zhen's unholy followers.
all hail Howie Mandel deal or no deal it dosnt matter tzeentch wins
Khorne flakes part of a good breakfast when you plan to kill maim and burn all!!!

Do you have enough Priests do you?
 
   
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Montreal

Derp, Daemon Prince sir. CSM don't even have a drop pod technically. I meant since the daemon prince box has parts for 40k and fantasy.

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Victoria B.C.

Well there are a few set ups but there are some more ideal lord choices sadly and ok haha sorry im kind of out of it too so ya but he is not the best choice but usable for sure.

Overview of the WoC army book.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/388667.page#3171854
Ralin Givens is the chaos to my warriors. Ra Ra Ra go team awesome I mean chaos
Tzack Vahr Zhen's unholy followers.
all hail Howie Mandel deal or no deal it dosnt matter tzeentch wins
Khorne flakes part of a good breakfast when you plan to kill maim and burn all!!!

Do you have enough Priests do you?
 
   
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If I were to start WoC. I would start with 2 battalions. I would add a Sorceror to start, this will give you this for a nice 1k list:

Sorceror, Level, 2, Mark of Tzeentch, Dawnstone, Power Familiar, Third Eye of Tzeentch - 215
24 Warriors, Mark of Tzeentch, Shields, Full Command, Banner of Rage - 469
40 Marauders, Mark of Khorne, Full Command, Great Weapons - 250
11 Warhounds - 64

This gives you 3 units which is needed to be legal. Run the warriors 5 wide and 5 deep, they are the anvil unit, but in reality they are chaos warriors they will still kill a lot. But with MoT you are looking at a WS5 T4 4+Armor Save and a 5+ ward save. A run-of-the-mill WS3 S3 T3 model will need 4+ to hit, 5+ to wound then you get the armor and ward save. And you'll be doing a fair amount of damage back and will probably win combat as you will be dishing out 20 WS5 S4 attacks per turn, against that WS3 T3 model you will be hitting on 3+ wounding on 3+ and they are probably not going to have an armor save with the -1 armos save from your S4. So you will be be dishing out about 9 wounds a turn and taking 10 attacks, 5 hit, 2 wound at least 1 is going to save, and they will probably break.

The 40 Marauders should be horded out to 10 wide this gives you 40 WS4 S5 attacks which is about enough to destroy anything.

Warhounds can go deep to attack war machines or flank whatever the warriors are fighting.

Why no knights? Well if you do decide to go with chosen down the road then you can use the bitz from the knights from the 2 battalions to convert regular chaos warriors to chosen. Or you may decide you want knights as you expand and you can make them later. As you expandadd a BSB and a Hell Cannon and whatever special choice you end up deciding on, maybe proxy the knight bases as knights to see how they work for you.

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Personally I went with the 1 battalion trade the marauders for more warriors and get another few warriors boxes.
Since for the price of 1 battalion you can get like 4 boxes of warriors online making up points faster and I personally dont want to paint tons of marauders.

The sorcerer needs a ward save no questions asked dawn stone not needed he heeds a shield and a ward save.

Bsb is a must
Bsb shield
sword of might
amulet of endurance
very killy and 3+ armor 4+ ward

The rage banner is better with halberds since they dont get a parry anyways when they are frenzied might as well make em hit harder.

Hounds meh maybe 2 smaller units.

Overview of the WoC army book.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/388667.page#3171854
Ralin Givens is the chaos to my warriors. Ra Ra Ra go team awesome I mean chaos
Tzack Vahr Zhen's unholy followers.
all hail Howie Mandel deal or no deal it dosnt matter tzeentch wins
Khorne flakes part of a good breakfast when you plan to kill maim and burn all!!!

Do you have enough Priests do you?
 
   
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Enchanted shield and dawnstone would be a good combo giving a 2+ rerollable armor save and a 6+ ward/parry save, correct me if I am wrong. Ward saves are nice and all but 2+ rerollable is just good and a bonus 6++ in combat is icing on the cake. And yes after re reading the Frenzy rules drop the Banner of Rage, no parry save allowed. Banner of Eternal Flame might be a good choice, cheap and effective.

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Victoria B.C.

well he would have a 5 up parry in cc because he is tz.
But the re rollable armor save isnt the best thing to get you want to make sure he has a good ward save because of template weapons and certain things being able to pick out individual models.

I like running the bsb as is since he well is fast hits really hard and well has an amazing ward save I put him with my banner of rage halberd tz warriors so he gets the extra attack and ya hes fun.

Try keeping the sorcerer out of combat since he usually gets a lot of attacks directed at him which is no fun especially if he dies being the general and all.

Overview of the WoC army book.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/388667.page#3171854
Ralin Givens is the chaos to my warriors. Ra Ra Ra go team awesome I mean chaos
Tzack Vahr Zhen's unholy followers.
all hail Howie Mandel deal or no deal it dosnt matter tzeentch wins
Khorne flakes part of a good breakfast when you plan to kill maim and burn all!!!

Do you have enough Priests do you?
 
   
 
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