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2017/04/30 16:42:36
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site ; UPDATE 28/04 Psychic Phase
nintura wrote: Welp, new heavy weapon rules makes my Salamanders army happy. Multi-melta in every tac squad now. Who cares about -1 when you get re-rolls.
Oh you mean that reroll that existed in a scrapped edition? Good luck with that one
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Tbh with the Start Collecting boxes I find it odd that GW doesn't just make starter sets that are 2 different SC! boxes, some dice, 2 of the whippy range rulers and a A5 paperback rule book along with cardboard sheets with limited rules for the miniatures.
GeeDubs likes to put push fit models in to the starter boxed sets, I guess so 2 people who have never played before can buy it and get playing with unpainted models pretty much the same day.
The Age of Sigmar starter set isn't push-fit though, nor have any of the recent boxed games.
The Age of Sigmar starter set isn't push-fit though, nor have any of the recent boxed games.
It's not push to fit, but they're not proper multiparts, they're easy-to-assemble models specifically made from the starter.
Hmmm, I thought they were push fit, I guess they're just easy-to-assemble instead.
And yeah, "recent boxed games" aren't push fit because they aren't starter sets, they're just tangential games that GW aren't heavily invested in thus aren't willing to put in the money to cast dedicated models for them.
2017/04/30 16:45:59
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site ; UPDATE 28/04 Psychic Phase
JohnnyHell wrote: Because a tank can't hide in a shallow shell crater. Applies some logic to the abstractions.
But why is cover abstracted?
Because a space marine doesn't get LOS cover from a crater?
So... a tank doesn't get cover from a shallow crater, and a Marine doesn't get cover from a shallow crater... so we'll abstract it and say that one does and one doesn't.
If they both don't, then why give it to one and not another?
Unless I missed some Matt Ward fluff, I have read of infantry ducking for better cover but I have yet to read of a Leman Russ squatting down lower then normal.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/04/30 16:56:55
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site ; UPDATE 28/04 Psychic Phase
Liberal_Perturabo wrote: Still waiting for news on assault phase, but for now it still seems like it's going to be unplayable garbage.
It plays ok. If you don't trust me on that you can try by yourself with the fanmade 40kaos scrolls which I'm not going to repost for the n-th time .
This had been said several times, but sure, I'll say again.
Having your guys disengage at will so that you whole army can blast an assault unit to shreads with their shoting is an awful mechainc. It is literally one of the worst, most idiotic decisions GW could have made regarding melee which wasn't amazing in 7th to begin with. More than that, they seem to encourage this tactic in this new article.
Removing initiative is also really bad, but that's a whole other story.
Scenario 1: Tac marines are sitting in cover, your tac marines can shoot 2 shots with your bolters, hitting on 3s, wounding on 4s, 2+ save.
Scenario 2: Tac marines are sitting in cover, your assault marine s fire bolt pistols, one shot hitting on 3s, wounding on 4s, 2+ save, then assault with chainswords, 3 attacks hitting on 3s, wounding on 4s, 4+ save, hitting first.
I dunno, that seems pretty deadly to me by comparison. Cover adding to armour save makes shooting worse, that's for sure. And if your delivery methods are as durable and reliable as GW is promising, getting 2-3 assault units into assault might not be so hard. In which case let them fall back, there's nobody left to take advantage of the freed up squad.
2017/04/30 17:06:37
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site ; UPDATE 28/04 Psychic Phase
Kirasu wrote: I wonder if that means pistols won't count as CC weapons for purposes of additional weapons now. If so that means you get to shoot + fight in CC with that bonus attack as well, pretty crazy.
Hopefully that'll be gone as well, and good riddance. Figuring out how many attacks certain models were supposed to have sometimes made me feel like Ms. Scarlet.
Cover giving a bonus to armor saves makes sense. Doesn't overly punish low BS armies, and reflects the idea that having a thick wall between you and enemy fire can help vs. small arms but not so much vs. a lascannon.
The flat -1 to moving and firing seems fine to me, especially since dataslates can probably adjust that to suit edge cases. It also suggests to me that "Snap Fire" as a thing is gone, and along with it blanket Overwatch. I'd still expect to see it, just maybe as a Command Point ability.
They're speaking of the rebirth of wiped out chapters so the case may be that they're using old and stored geneseed from the chapters tithes and are enhancing it.
2017/04/30 17:18:30
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site ; UPDATE 28/04 Psychic Phase
My planned tri-Plasma Pistol Assault Squad just got a boost. And now I want to make a Gunslinger Inferno Pistol Sergeant for the other one. My Blood Angels Tactical Squads will now have Hand Flamers on the Sergeants instead of Combi-Flamers.
Most of my Crimson Fists Tactical Squads will be getting a Missile Launcher or Heavy Bolter added to the squad. My Devastators are going to be so much fun!
I see they didn't really mention if Rapid Fire or Heavy will prevent charging. Hopefully that will be covered tomorrow, but I hope my BA Tactical Squads are going to be able to charge after laying down Boltgun fire.
So, odds that these new marines are Adeptus Indomitus?
By the 37 keys of Tzeentch,We open the way for our brothers,
By the 1000 whispers of Slaanesh we call to them,
By the 12 plagues of Nurgle we fell their enemies,
And by the mighty axe of Khorne we cut open the world for them!
- Ritual of Summoning, Recited by Amphion and Zethus Dark Sorcerers of the Deimos Peninsula,Kronos
2017/04/30 17:23:32
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site ; UPDATE 28/04 Psychic Phase
IIRC that was also the case in fantasy, my guess is it will be different? I mean if 8th really is totally AoS I don't think cC armies have anything to worry about. I've never played AoS but there seem to be a looot of dudes with axes and swords when I look at the tables.
2017/04/30 17:28:29
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site ; UPDATE 28/04 Psychic Phase
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: So will big units with models more than 1" away from enemy models be able to fire non-pistol weapons into their own combat?
It's already being said, no firing inot or out of combats. Pistols now appear to be an exception to that, doesn't mean anything else can do that though.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/04/30 17:56:59
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site ; UPDATE 28/04 Psychic Phase
to both shooting phase and video. I wonder what else Mars is making, plus those pesky Xenos and chaos rascals. These guys are crushing it! I doubt they're getting the overtime for all the work there, but I'm impressed.
edit: something about watching a news story on Trump, seeing this video then shooting phase, then posting this on a desktop layout is hilarious as next to the US flag is an excited ork. Gotta love Dakka
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2017/04/30 17:57:39
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site ; UPDATE 28/04 Psychic Phase
matphat wrote: Suddenly, my Lootas seem a little more jolly. Looking forward to seeing if this is true.
yeah man, I'm having my Orks shipped to me from storage next month but I have like 20 Lootas and burnas. Plus the Mork&Gorkanauts. Gonna be so much fun rocking this stuff in the new edition. It's like, I don't even want to play another game until 8th. Heresy and AoS will do nicely in the meantime.
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2017/04/30 18:15:50
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site ; UPDATE 28/04 Psychic Phase
Now that pistols can be fired in close combat are plasma pistols finally priced appropriately? Especially if they can still be used as a close combat weapon?
casvalremdeikun wrote: Now that pistols can be fired in close combat are plasma pistols finally priced appropriately? Especially if they can still be used as a close combat weapon?
Too early to confirm yet, tbh. It's going to depend heavily on the price point of other options.
Sometimes, the only truth people understand, comes from the barrel of a gun.
2017/04/30 18:32:22
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site ; UPDATE 28/04 Psychic Phase
casvalremdeikun wrote: Now that pistols can be fired in close combat are plasma pistols finally priced appropriately? Especially if they can still be used as a close combat weapon?
Depends a lot on their strength, AP modifier and points cost - which are all unknown. We also don't know if there's a Gets Hot rule in 8th, or how it would work if there is one.
2017/04/30 18:34:23
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site ; UPDATE 28/04 Psychic Phase
VeteranNoob wrote: edit: something about watching a news story on Trump, seeing this video then shooting phase, then posting this on a desktop layout is hilarious as next to the US flag is an excited ork. Gotta love Dakka
The U.S. is definitely a Bad Moons tribe.
YELL REAL LOUD AN' CARRY A BIG CHOPPA!
2017/04/30 18:35:40
Subject: Re:Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site ; UPDATE 28/04 Psychic Phase
Hold on a little! If space marines in cover will be like terminators (2+ sv), how on earth are we going to take them out now? Going from 3+ to 2+ is a 100% increase in effectivness when going from 6+ to 5+ is only 20% (?) increase. Seems like 8th will be more about space marines than 30k is.
2017/04/30 18:36:09
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site ; UPDATE 28/04 Psychic Phase
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