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HQ
CCS
pf, mgx4, chim w/ ML,HB 160p

TROOPS
Vets
pf, mgx3, chim w/ ML,HB 170p

Vets
pf, mgx3, chim w/ ML,HB 170p

Vets
pf, mgx3, chim w/ ML,HB 170p

Vets
pf, mgx3, chim w/ ML,HB 170p

HVY SUPPORT
Basiliskx2 w/ camo 280p

LRBT 150p

LRBT 150p

comes too 1420

im not too sure what too spend on the other 580p, should i go 2 vandettas with 2 vet squads inside, and some hellhounds, or even scout sentinals?
anyone got ideas, i was think either going valks with special weapon sqs with demo charges?
i was thinking of taking marbo, for the demo charge and hes a good distraction
i had a lascannon in each vet squads i thought that was over kill

ideas and tips, thankyou

I dont think this really qualifies as a leafblower list. This seems definitely mechanised. Hellhounds will ignore cover saves, so against anything but marines, you're golden. I'd add rough riders for some flavor. A 10 man unit with kamir is a heck of a punch.

Maybe add straken with 4 meltaguns and a chimera. If done right, you can use him to give your vets counter attack and furious charge. Shotguns for the vets. maybe carapace or demo charges.

Adding a squad or two of stormtroopers with meltaguns will do wonders for tank/transport hunting. marbo is a good suckerpunch as well.

I see lots of tank killage in the infantry, so think about anti infantry firepower. If you face hordes, you're boned.

Move the LRBT's to 1 squadron add in 3 hydras/griffens for 225pts for the squadron and 3 vendettas for 360pts for the 3 fast attack slots

With this you 5 points over so drop 1 power fist to a power weapon and your at 2000even

This give you long range anti tank and anti horde. Hydras are nasty they hurt and most people don't shoot at them first they don't see them as a threat.

HQ
CCS
pf, mgx4, OFF chim w/ ML,HB 190p

TROOPS
Vets
pf, mgx3, chim w/ ML,HB 170p
Vets
pf, mgx3, chim w/ ML,HB 170p
Vets
pf, mgx3, chim w/ ML,HB 170p
Vets
pf, mgx3, chim w/ ML,HB 170p


FAST ATTACK
Vendetta 130p
Vendetta 130p
Vendetta 130p

HVY SUPPORT
Basiliskx2 w/ camo 280p

LRBT Executioner w/ plasma cannons 230p

LRBT Executioner w/ plasma cannons 230p

that comes to exactly 2000?

yes that 2K. i would find space for a manticore or 2 since they tend to be able to blow things up better then executioners

smally23 wrote:HQ
CCS
pf, mgx4, OFF chim w/ ML,HB 190p

TROOPS
Vets
pf, mgx3, chim w/ ML,HB 170p
Vets
pf, mgx3, chim w/ ML,HB 170p
Vets
pf, mgx3, chim w/ ML,HB 170p
Vets
pf, mgx3, chim w/ ML,HB 170p


FAST ATTACK
Vendetta 130p
Vendetta 130p
Vendetta 130p

HVY SUPPORT
Basiliskx2 w/ camo 280p

LRBT Executioner w/ plasma cannons 230p

LRBT Executioner w/ plasma cannons 230p

that comes to exactly 2000?

MUCH BETTER. lol. This list is soo much more competitive. Those Vendettas are so OP its rediculous lol. And I like the idea of the basilisk squadren, I don't see that often and it seems as if it would be effective, or atleast on paper it does lol.

Yeah, 2 artillery units does not make this a leafblower.

I have seen Marbro be effective to destroy stuff with that demo charge. Effectivily it is a surgical strike pie plate. If he does any damage after that demo charge, it is a bonus.

You do not want a heavy weapon in Chimera melta vet squads, as you can't move to fire it, and if your using melta gun vets in Chimera, your goal is to ram those things down your opponent's throats to get into that 6" range ASAP and pop their vehicles. Those Chimeras want hull Heavy Flamers to burn guys out of cover and help against hoards.

You also have to remember in a mech army your playing 2/3s of your games are objective based. You will need something to camp your home objective and to camp enemy objectives. You can still do it in Mech, but it is alot cheaper to go Sentry Vets with a AC or Lascannon and plasma guns. If you go full Mech, go AC/Lascannon and 3 plasma guns with a Chimera with a ML and hull Heavy Bolter. Since your going to be static, you might as well have two long range weapons on the Chimera and make use of the Plasma's rapid fire capability. The HWT counts as two, so the heavy weapon and the 3 plasma guns take up your 5 fire points. I would ditch the Power Fists. It is very hard to assault from a Chimera, and if it gets blown up your troops are probably not going to survive the explosion, much less the Moral roll.

Vendettas are nice as you can throw troops in them to make them scorning. It gives you 3 TLed LCs for a nice long range AT platform. I don't like throwing melta vets in them, as I would rather put 3 flamers (or 2 flamers and a heavy flamer in a vet squad). I actually prefer SWSs for this role, as they are cheap and a far better use for that BS 3 than the Vet's BS 4. But the goal for the troops is to fly over to an enemy objective in cover late game, burn them out and either kill them or make them break and capture the objective, or at least contest it.

Hope this gives you some food for thought! Good luck!

bob501 wrote:yes that 2K. i would find space for a manticore or 2 since they tend to be able to blow things up better then executioners

executioners will have 5 template shots

im gona be using the vendettas to blow up the tanks, and eventually from infrantry

y dont poeple like squading basilisks

IMO Basilisks are pretty meh...probably better off with Medusae or Hydras.

Why? Because S10 AP2 > S9 AP3. And if you want the S10, Manticores are better IMO. In Apocalypse, Basilisks are fine, but for regular play 36" range is pretty bangin'.

smally23 wrote:

y dont poeple like squading basilisks

36" minimum range when your playing on a 48" wide table and each side is starting 12" in, so only 24" apart. The scatter doesn't help either.

BlkTom wrote:

smally23 wrote:

y dont poeple like squading basilisks

36" minimum range when your playing on a 48" wide table and each side is starting 12" in, so only 24" apart. The scatter doesn't help either.

medusa is only 36" range tho, and if im hugging the back of my table edge it could b out of range

BlkTom wrote:

smally23 wrote:

y dont poeple like squading basilisks

36" minimum range when your playing on a 48" wide table and each side is starting 12" in, so only 24" apart. The scatter doesn't help either.

You can fire under the 36 min. you can fire direct fire or non direct, please correct me if I'm wrong. I very well can be lol.

B-DWAGGG wrote:

BlkTom wrote:

smally23 wrote:

y dont poeple like squading basilisks

36" minimum range when your playing on a 48" wide table and each side is starting 12" in, so only 24" apart. The scatter doesn't help either.

You can fire under the 36 min. you can fire direct fire or non direct, please correct me if I'm wrong. I very well can be lol.

yes you can if you fire direct, you ignore the min range of the weapon

smally23 wrote:

B-DWAGGG wrote:

BlkTom wrote:

smally23 wrote:

y dont poeple like squading basilisks

36" minimum range when your playing on a 48" wide table and each side is starting 12" in, so only 24" apart. The scatter doesn't help either.

You can fire under the 36 min. you can fire direct fire or non direct, please correct me if I'm wrong. I very well can be lol.

yes you can if you fire direct, you ignore the min range of the weapon

Thanks.

B-DWAGGG wrote:

smally23 wrote:

B-DWAGGG wrote:

BlkTom wrote:

smally23 wrote:

y dont poeple like squading basilisks

36" minimum range when your playing on a 48" wide table and each side is starting 12" in, so only 24" apart. The scatter doesn't help either.

You can fire under the 36 min. you can fire direct fire or non direct, please correct me if I'm wrong. I very well can be lol.

yes you can if you fire direct, you ignore the min range of the weapon

Thanks.

page 58 of the rulebook

B-DWAGGG wrote:

BlkTom wrote:

smally23 wrote:

y dont poeple like squading basilisks

36" minimum range when your playing on a 48" wide table and each side is starting 12" in, so only 24" apart. The scatter doesn't help either.

You can fire under the 36 min. you can fire direct fire or non direct, please correct me if I'm wrong. I very well can be lol.

You can, you just lose the barrage part (pg 58 BRB). If your direct firing though with that AV 12 front armor and open topped, you better kill what your firing on or your dead.

BlkTom wrote:

B-DWAGGG wrote:

BlkTom wrote:

smally23 wrote:

y dont poeple like squading basilisks

36" minimum range when your playing on a 48" wide table and each side is starting 12" in, so only 24" apart. The scatter doesn't help either.

You can fire under the 36 min. you can fire direct fire or non direct, please correct me if I'm wrong. I very well can be lol.

You can, you just lose the barrage part (pg 58 BRB). If your direct firing though with that AV 12 front armor and open topped, you better kill what your firing on or your dead.

thats not true at all, because you have ur wall of chims infront so you just open a big enough gap so you still have ur 4+ cover save and ur able to see the target ur shooting at so its direct


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if you look at the bottom of page62 under Vehicles and Cover-Obscured Targets, if there are in the front arc but cant see it the vehicle gets a 3+ cover save and because of camo its now a 2+ cover save? thats good no?

smally23 wrote:

BlkTom wrote:

B-DWAGGG wrote:

BlkTom wrote:

smally23 wrote:

y dont poeple like squading basilisks

36" minimum range when your playing on a 48" wide table and each side is starting 12" in, so only 24" apart. The scatter doesn't help either.

You can fire under the 36 min. you can fire direct fire or non direct, please correct me if I'm wrong. I very well can be lol.

You can, you just lose the barrage part (pg 58 BRB). If your direct firing though with that AV 12 front armor and open topped, you better kill what your firing on or your dead.

thats not true at all, because you have ur wall of chims infront so you just open a big enough gap so you still have ur 4+ cover save and ur able to see the target ur shooting at so its direct

4+ cover save doesn't cut it. If two shots penetrate, your average is saving one. That other shot has a 50% chance to kill you, with the best option being immoblized. Your best defence is to use it as it is ment to be used, from behind total cover and not in that position.

BlkTom wrote:

smally23 wrote:

BlkTom wrote:

B-DWAGGG wrote:

BlkTom wrote:

smally23 wrote:

y dont poeple like squading basilisks

36" minimum range when your playing on a 48" wide table and each side is starting 12" in, so only 24" apart. The scatter doesn't help either.

You can fire under the 36 min. you can fire direct fire or non direct, please correct me if I'm wrong. I very well can be lol.

You can, you just lose the barrage part (pg 58 BRB). If your direct firing though with that AV 12 front armor and open topped, you better kill what your firing on or your dead.

thats not true at all, because you have ur wall of chims infront so you just open a big enough gap so you still have ur 4+ cover save and ur able to see the target ur shooting at so its direct

4+ cover save doesn't cut it. If two shots penetrate, your average is saving one. That other shot has a 50% chance to kill you, with the best option being immoblized. Your best defence is to use it as it is ment to be used, from behind total cover and not in that position.

if you look at the bottom of page62 under Vehicles and Cover-Obscured Targets bottom paragraph, if there are in the front arc but cant see it the vehicle gets a 3+ cover save and because of camo its now a 2+ cover save? thats good no?

If you want to spend 45pts on camo netting and enclosed and the few hundred points on chimeras to actually give you cover for a BS 3 direct fire, you go for it.

You asked, why people don't use them, I answered. I am sorry you do not like the answer. I would rather buy a Master of Ordnance for 30pts.

Just a few thoughts.

I would put heavy flamers rather than bolters on at least some of the chimeras.

PF seems a pretty expensive upgrade when you buy 5 of them!

I would maybe look to drop the PF, camo on the bassies and drop one of the LR down a little so I can get another vet squad in a chimera. That should give you a lot more versatility.

BlkTom wrote:If you want to spend 45pts on camo netting and enclosed and the few hundred points on chimeras to actually give you cover for a BS 3 direct fire, you go for it.

You asked, why people don't use them, I answered. I am sorry you do not like the answer. I would rather buy a Master of Ordnance for 30pts.

And do you also see any reason why people use basilisks? (appart from just being beautiful machines )

Lothar wrote:

BlkTom wrote:If you want to spend 45pts on camo netting and enclosed and the few hundred points on chimeras to actually give you cover for a BS 3 direct fire, you go for it.

You asked, why people don't use them, I answered. I am sorry you do not like the answer. I would rather buy a Master of Ordnance for 30pts.

And do you also see any reason why people use basilisks? (appart from just being beautiful machines )

arnt basalisks worth taking?? they seem worth it?

I think basilisks are worth more then the manticore

Basalisk can hit anything on the table at str 9 ap3 where the manticore is str 10 ap4 I'd rather have the -1str for the ap3 any day yes the manticore has 1-3 shots a turn but the basilisk is cheaper and can squad where the mancticore takes up a hs and you can only take 1

When comparing it to a manticore

1)you must keep in mind that it is only one blast per cannon. Where the manticore has the possibility of 3.

2) the manticore can handle those big problems like nob bikes, thunder wolf cav, land raiders, horde, ext..ext..ext. the basilisk is fair on killing nobs, but it cant instant kill thunder wolf cav, str 9 is poor when shooting at AV 14. And unless you have a bunch of them a basilisk wont put a dent in a green tide.

3) next the manticore will always have the choice to fire indirect or directly. Where the basilisk will almost always be firing directly, thus giving cover and front AV on tanks instead of side.

But I agree, the basilisk will instakill most meq. But it can’t force wounds on melta guns or PF in a squad. You have a max of one hit on each model per shot, if for every “1” you roll that saves a melta gun. I prefer to force saves on the important models of a unit then to kill off meat.

komosunder wrote:When comparing it to a manticore

1)you must keep in mind that it is only one blast per cannon. Where the manticore has the possibility of 3.

2) the manticore can handle those big problems like nob bikes, thunder wolf cav, land raiders, horde, ext..ext..ext. the basilisk is fair on killing nobs, but it cant instant kill thunder wolf cav, str 9 is poor when shooting at AV 14. And unless you have a bunch of them a basilisk wont put a dent in a green tide.

3) next the manticore will always have the choice to fire indirect or directly. Where the basilisk will almost always be firing directly, thus giving cover and front AV on tanks instead of side.

But I agree, the basilisk will instakill most meq. But it can’t force wounds on melta guns or PF in a squad. You have a max of one hit on each model per shot, if for every “1” you roll that saves a melta gun. I prefer to force saves on the important models of a unit then to kill off meat.

you do make a valid point, basilisks do instant kill nob bikers, thunderwolf cavalry, because they are T4 and a basalisk is STR9 for instant kill you dont count the xtra T that you get from being on a bike or a thunderwolf

Check the FAQ on wolfs, they do get to keep that +1, (it’s a blatant disregard for the rulebook, but its there pg4 of the FAQ). I did say they can handle nob bikes, my only point in bringing them up is that they will always roll off there cover save, not armor. So the multi blasts out weigh the AP3 in there case. Sorry should have been more specific

No matter what you do with your Heavy slot choices, those powerfists have to go,imho.
if you drop those 5 - 15 point sink, you have 75 points to play with.
2 sentinels = 70 to 75 pts
Marbo = 65 pts.
1 Hydra = 75 pts
you get the idea. i just don't think they're going to give you the return for your investment.

komosunder wrote:Check the FAQ on wolfs, they do get to keep that +1, (it’s a blatant disregard for the rulebook, but its there pg4 of the FAQ). I did say they can handle nob bikes, my only point in bringing them up is that they will always roll off there cover save, not armor. So the multi blasts out weigh the AP3 in there case. Sorry should have been more specific

haha ye i thought so, i guess i can take out one of the executioners and put in a manticore to give me sumting different.

but if there no tanks, that are grouped, and theres no hvy tanks on the battlefield, wat would you aim at?

smally23 wrote:

komosunder wrote:Check the FAQ on wolfs, they do get to keep that +1, (it’s a blatant disregard for the rulebook, but its there pg4 of the FAQ). I did say they can handle nob bikes, my only point in bringing them up is that they will always roll off there cover save, not armor. So the multi blasts out weigh the AP3 in there case. Sorry should have been more specific

haha ye i thought so, i guess i can take out one of the executioners and put in a manticore to give me sumting different.

but if there no tanks, that are grouped, and theres no hvy tanks on the battlefield, wat would you aim at?

anything you want to go away!