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For those of you who don't know, Anonymous is a group of... well... Internet protesters? I really have no clue myself here. They are called a lot of... unmentionable names, as well as being blamed for the PSN hacking(Im still unsure of this). The FBI are also supposedly tracking them down, and, for those of you who dont know, Operation Empire State Rebellion started today... or something like that, concerning Bernanke.

Linky to their video:





When I google them, I simply get a generalization of their organization... I honestly have no clue, but my question is:

Do you think they are Good, Bad, or somewhere in between the two?

Footsloggin wrote:For those of you who don't know, Anonymous is a group of... well... Internet protesters? I really have no clue myself here. They are called a lot of... unmentionable names, as well as being blamed for the PSN hacking(Im still unsure of this). The FBI are also supposedly tracking them down, and, for those of you who dont know, Operation Empire State Rebellion started today... or something like that, concerning Bernanke.

Linky to their video:





When I google them, I simply get a generalization of their organization... I honestly have no clue, but my question is:

Do you think they are Good, Bad, or somewhere in between the two?

Both, some acts they commit are good, others are bad, and others yet are just plain immature

Hacking is illegal. Anonymous is bad.

If they try to track Anonymous, they are gak out of luck.

Remember the last guy to try to oust Anonymous? His Social Security, phone number, Home Address, Cell Phone number and other private info was posted onto his Twitter account.

Blitza da warboy wrote:Hacking is illegal. Anonymous is bad.

If you set your moral code by what is legal and what isn't, the world must constantly be a disappointment to you.

They are fine, others using them as a scapegoat isn't however.

Chowderhead wrote:If they try to track Anonymous, they are gak out of luck.

Remember the last guy to try to oust Anonymous? His Social Security, phone number, Home Address, Cell Phone number and other private info was posted onto his Twitter account.

Now i'm a bit frightened...

Blitza da warboy wrote:Hacking is illegal. Anonymous is bad.

I do so many illegal things before breakfast many people would have a heart attack.

But meh. Don't care to much to really care about "Morality" at my current stage of psychopathy.

they do good and bad stuff like operation tit storm

Anon is great. They go after things that need to be gone after, like censored porn and Scientology. /seriousface

Anon is bad, and I hope someone figures out a way to shut their asses down. I don't disagree with their goals or ideology, I disagree with how they go about it.

They have the right to demand Bernanke's resignation. They have the right to demand Pvt. Bradley Manning's release from prison (this I disagree with), and so on. They DON'T have the right to then hack into government computers, ruin peoples lives, etc. etc. in order to try to coerce them to listen to your demands.

chaos0xomega wrote:Anon is bad, and I hope someone figures out a way to shut their asses down. I don't disagree with their goals or ideology, I disagree with how they go about it.

They have the right to demand Bernanke's resignation. They have the right to demand Pvt. Bradley Manning's release from prison (this I disagree with), and so on. They DON'T have the right to then hack into government computers, ruin peoples lives, etc. etc. in order to try to coerce them to listen to your demands.

qft

I'm not a fan of anonymous.

I don't even know who they are...









wait. Nevermind.

Chowderhead wrote:

Blitza da warboy wrote:Hacking is illegal. Anonymous is bad.

I do so many illegal things before breakfast many people would have a heart attack.

But meh. Don't care to much to really care about "Morality" at my current stage of psychopathy.

Ah, teenagers.

A group of people with strong opinions and a self-righteous streak the size of Kanye West's ego with no chance in hell of actually achieving anything other than being a massive annoyance for everyone who has to deal with their shenanigans.

Sounds like a typical charity protest group to me

I hate protestors. Stop wasting my air with your pointless yelling

Wait these one aren't yelling... Carry on then.

Good people doing good things. Many claim to be Anonymous, but aren't, this is why they are untraceable. They are Legion, anyone can be Anonymous, nobody is Anonymous, while everyone is Anonymous.

They go after a lot of terrible things that need to be shut down like Scientology.

I seriously lol'd at the "Hacking is illegal, so Hacking is bad"

Karon wrote:Good people doing good things. Many claim to be Anonymous, but aren't, this is why they are untraceable. They are Legion, anyone can be Anonymous, nobody is Anonymous, while everyone is Anonymous.

They go after a lot of terrible things that need to be shut down like Scientology.

I seriously lol'd at the "Hacking is illegal, so Hacking is bad"

Yes. I'm sure the goals of most hackers are to do wonderful things. Not waste everyone time by stealing information and violating civil rights and generally achieving no good in the world. Like the church of Scientology as wacko as it is is going to fold or even be more than slightly displeased with the actions of a bunch random internet guru's.

Hacksters are the hippes of the new millennium with less free love and all the classical silliness... except they mostly do it for the lulz instead of the drugs... or do they

Hey, that again sounds like typical protestors

The system works

LordofHats wrote:

Karon wrote:Good people doing good things. Many claim to be Anonymous, but aren't, this is why they are untraceable. They are Legion, anyone can be Anonymous, nobody is Anonymous, while everyone is Anonymous.

They go after a lot of terrible things that need to be shut down like Scientology.

I seriously lol'd at the "Hacking is illegal, so Hacking is bad"

Yes. I'm sure the goals of most hackers are to do wonderful things. Not waste everyone time by stealing information and violating civil rights and generally achieving no good in the world. Like the church of Scientology as wacko as it is is going to fold or even be more than slightly displeased with the actions of a bunch random internet guru's.

Hacksters are the hippes of the new millennium with less free love and all the classical silliness... except they mostly do it for the lulz instead of the drugs... or do they

Hey, that again sounds like typical protestors

The system works

"Most Hackers" are not Anonymous. Lulzsec is not Anonymous. 4chan is not Anonymous.

Anonymous was initially a protest group against scientology. however because Anonymous is anonymous and decentralised and has no form of leadership or requirements for membership or ability to qualify members. Thus it is inevitable that individuals who may or may not be connection to Anonymous' initial campaign would steer the organisation, or hijack its name for other purposes.

Are they still Anonymous when they go after secondary targets, who is to say. With no means of qualifying Anonymous members or membership the movement could head in multiple directions at once, and even contradict itself. Anonymous should have prevented all activity outside their core goal of opposing Scientiology, fro the outset not to do so was a mistake. Initial commentsd of, itf its not against scientiology its not 'Anonymous' would have been able to stick, not doing so with the openness of the movement guarantees eventual abuse. Sure it should reasonable to go after Westboro baptists, but those who did so should have done so under a different name, after all anonymous is what it is because of the particular threats and practices of Scientology, other groups that use different methods of handling opponents do not need to face a protest group of the type or methodology of Anonymous. As those speaking for Anonymous were slow to prevent 'mission creep' it is now impossible to determine where the movement can expand next. Indeed due to its genericity those who founded the movement have no more say than anyone else who makes a video in an electronic voice and uses the cultural themes associated with the movement.

So if you or I made an Anonymous video agaisnt say, whaling. That is no less Anonymous than any other Anonymous video. Anonymous may not be about 'save the whales', but with no qualification and no central ideology who is to say what Anonymous is all about.

I would not be suprised if savvy organisations made Anonymous videos in order to steer the movement or to highlight a cause, or even to covertly advertise. There would be no evidence to say who or what was behind anything done. I would take a soft bet on the idea that the internet departments of Chinese intelligence have at least thought of doing this, and if they did use Anonymous we wouldn't notice.

The irony is that the unwitting mission creep of Anonymous is quite likely to let tghe Church of Scientology off the hook. Scientology was in trouble, now they only need to sit it out until Anonymous burns itself or its credibility out.

I'm firmly against anonymous. Regardless of whether I agree with their views I don't like the way they achieve them. They often claim to support people right to make their own choices but do this by shutting down sites they don't like- That seems a bit hypocritical to me.

If you don't like scientology protest about it. That doesn't mean you should attack them and websites that are linked to them. If people still choose scientology after all your protests then bad luck, it's their choice in the end.

Anonymous are cyber terrorists and black mailers. Simple as that

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

A group of hackers using their power to leverage their interests
can be just as corrupt as the figures they claim to keep in
check. I mean, seriously, has no one seen Keanu Reeve's
movie Brotherhood of Justice.



It's one of those terrible movies I can't help referencing from
time to time. I suppose I should post it in the guilty pleasures
thread.

Karon wrote:

LordofHats wrote:

Karon wrote:Good people doing good things. Many claim to be Anonymous, but aren't, this is why they are untraceable. They are Legion, anyone can be Anonymous, nobody is Anonymous, while everyone is Anonymous.

They go after a lot of terrible things that need to be shut down like Scientology.

I seriously lol'd at the "Hacking is illegal, so Hacking is bad"

Yes. I'm sure the goals of most hackers are to do wonderful things. Not waste everyone time by stealing information and violating civil rights and generally achieving no good in the world. Like the church of Scientology as wacko as it is is going to fold or even be more than slightly displeased with the actions of a bunch random internet guru's.

Hacksters are the hippes of the new millennium with less free love and all the classical silliness... except they mostly do it for the lulz instead of the drugs... or do they

Hey, that again sounds like typical protestors

The system works

"Most Hackers" are not Anonymous. Lulzsec is not Anonymous. 4chan is not Anonymous.

You said yourself anyone is anonymous. That's what happens in the 'anonymity' of the internet. It's not even a coherent group anymore. It's a mass of groups and individuals who simply use a name. They have no clear goal, no clear platform, and do more attacks against law enforcement and random other groups than against scientology or people who actually deserve it. All hackers don't claim to be anonymous, but anonymous is a typical group of hackers in the sense you can talk about it being a group.

They're activists, software pirates, anarchists, griefers and generally in it for the lulz. Early Anonymous actions were more coherent, but now it's just chaotic. They're more a extremist fringe operating off cyber space now than what they were in the first two years (in the first two years they weren't even restricted to the internet they organized boots on the ground to protest too). I'd almost claim they're cyber terrorists, but they're not quite there yet. I think it's only a matter of time till they reach that point.

The irony is that the unwitting mission creep of Anonymous is quite likely to let tghe Church of Scientology off the hook. Scientology was in trouble, now they only need to sit it out until Anonymous burns itself or its credibility out.

They already have burned out. Only overly idealistic people with limited knowledge of hacker culture seem to back them these days. Their credibility went out the window with things like retaliating against law enforcement agencies who arrest their members and stuff like the Operation Pay Back incident. The stance of "we want to be free to steal whatever we want and if you try to stop us we will be very mean to you" doesn't fly very far in the public imagination. Plenty of people still think they're behind the attack on the Playstation Network even though Lulsec claimed responsibility.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Which is called a terrorist freedom fighter I suppose. Being one doesn't exclude you from being the other.

Footsloggin wrote:For those of you who don't know, Anonymous is a group of... well... Internet protesters? I really have no clue myself here. They are called a lot of... unmentionable names, as well as being blamed for the PSN hacking(Im still unsure of this). The FBI are also supposedly tracking them down, and, for those of you who dont know, Operation Empire State Rebellion started today... or something like that, concerning Bernanke.

Linky to their video:





When I google them, I simply get a generalization of their organization... I honestly have no clue, but my question is:

Do you think they are Good, Bad, or somewhere in between the two?

Hang them from the Golden Gate Bridge as a warning to Berkeley that freedom is NOT just another word for nothing left to lose?


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Ketara wrote:

Blitza da warboy wrote:Hacking is illegal. Anonymous is bad.

If you set your moral code by what is legal and what isn't, the world must constantly be a disappointment to you.

Charles Manson would be proud.

Busted flat in Baton Rouge, us heading for the train,
Feeling nearly faded as my jeans.
Bobby thumbed a diesel down just before it rained,
Took us all the way to New Orleans,
I took my harpoon out of my dirty red bandana,
And was blowing sad while Bobby sang the bluuuuues,
With them windshield wipers slapping time,
And Bobby clapping hands,
We finally sang up every song, that driver knew.

LordofHats wrote:

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Which is called a terrorist freedom fighter I suppose. Being one doesn't exclude you from being the other.

I think you entirely missed the point of that saying.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

LordofHats wrote:

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Which is called a terrorist freedom fighter I suppose. Being one doesn't exclude you from being the other.

I think you entirely missed the point of that saying.

It's only a good point if you don't understand the difference between the two. Fortunately, many people do.

They proved that real regulation of the internet needs to happen. We can't keep having big organisations like this being hacked all the time. Seriously, the videogame mess was appalling. They are largely teenagers with dreams who have no understanding of the way the world works. You can't just steal people's personal details and post them on the net; regardless of what they have done.

Glad to see some anons were arrested recently.