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I was at my local GW and heard at least 2 people say they're gonna pick AT up a bit but right now are so focused on Kill team that they couldn't snag AT on release.

 Imateria wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Perhaps they could a compromise and do a run of metal Epic vehicles...

You should be able to find plenty on eBay.

Yeah, but prices fluctuate wildly, as does scarcity on e-bay. If GW did a Made to Order, there's a good chance you wouldn't have to pay collector's price for it.

In other news, it turns out both of my FLGS did not order ANY Titanicus stuff - I was told it was "preorder only" (and since neither one of them offer a discount, I didn't preorder from them nor did apparently anyone else in the area, though I'd would have liked to pick up some extra knights, dice or whatnot), so I agree I don't think it was flying off the shelves in the US apparently like in the UK. Even Miniature Market took until today to sell out of the GME set, and still appears to have tons of the other components available.

Still waiting for my rules set and knights to show up, though. Deciding how I want to do the Reaver and Warhound - pay extra for earlier availability, or save a little and wait a week or two for it to show up... :(

Your FLGS not offering any kind of discount would probably explain why nobody bought from them.

I could understand for the GME box and possibly Warlords, but they didn't even bother to order any of the knight boxes, rules or dice, which is unusual for either store.

I was very meh on ATuntil my buddy bought the GME and showed me the knights. I love them! Putting them together was a lot of fun because I've already built 7 normal sized questoris knights. Just wish they made the Propheron and another size titan to give you more than just 4 options. I'll probably hold off until they make the Eldar faction.

Honestly when I opened a box of knights they weren't much to look at on the sprue. Very detailed, but once they were built I was quite happy with them. Probably some of my favorite models of that particular size. I could only imagine how cool cerastus knights would be at this scale, if they ever do those i'll get at least a couple boxes.

Vorian wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Why would they bother doing that for stuff they stopped selling over a decade ago?

If they have new stuff to sell, they'll make rules for it

To make money? They didn#t stop because they didn't sell. They outsold their exptations(enough to justify production of lots of new models) by 400%...

That would explain why it would make sense to make new epic models and release rules for them. It wouldn't explain why they would release rules now to use old models with.

Thing is they could easily sell models as well. Hell they wouldn't have to even make rules. Bit of editing only and they could release rules and models and sell them and expand customer base for the new titans in the process.

tneva82 wrote:

Vorian wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Why would they bother doing that for stuff they stopped selling over a decade ago?

If they have new stuff to sell, they'll make rules for it

To make money? They didn#t stop because they didn't sell. They outsold their exptations(enough to justify production of lots of new models) by 400%...

That would explain why it would make sense to make new epic models and release rules for them. It wouldn't explain why they would release rules now to use old models with.

Thing is they could easily sell models as well. Hell they wouldn't have to even make rules. Bit of editing only and they could release rules and models and sell them and expand customer base for the new titans in the process.

Old Epic models are both out of scale and far, far inferior in terms of detail to the new Titans. GW wasn't going to rerelease them, and they weren't going to expend the resources up front to make a full new Epic range. Titanicus wasn't originally planned to be plastic at all, but demand for blood bowl and necromunda got them to convert it over, leading to delays. Setting it in the heresy lets them use a small number of shared models, like the original game, while expansions will also likely go towards other classes of titans and xenos titans, since they take up far fewer resources to design and produce than a full epic range. And fighting with massive armies, either you get a slow ruleset, or titans get so watered down that the game isn't about them anymore, plus GW would rather see people playing massive armies at 28mm scale.

I could see things like super heavy companies being included in the game as a alternative to knight banners mind you.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:


Thing is they could easily sell models as well. Hell they wouldn't have to even make rules. Bit of editing only and they could release rules and models and sell them and expand customer base for the new titans in the process.

Old Epic models are both out of scale and far, far inferior in terms of detail to the new Titans.

 Mysterio wrote:


You might be right on the scale thing, but definitely not on the detail thing - unless you're stuck thinking about the original AT and Epic stuff?

Because towards the end, the Epic stuff getting released was quite nice.

Anyway, given what we know about Knights (3 for $35), any better guesses on Warhounds?

2 for $50?

I'm going to 'need' at least 4.

Not that long time ago people here were posting pictures of epic models and titans and commenting how well scaled the titans are :lol:

And they might not be state of the art but they would still sell and help sales of new titans as well.

The Grand Master Edition box is still available on the Aussie GW webstore

It's been, what, ten days since pre-orders started?

Good old Australia Tax markup...

Mind you, I would imagine most locals are buying from other sources.

Regarding Epic minis and level of detail: The metals from the Epic 40K era (late 90s) had ludicrous levels of detail. Even more so than many of the later Epic Armageddon ones. Tons of variant sculpts.

The 3rd ed Eldar Titans were bleh, though.

 Overread wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

 schoon wrote:
They seem to have underestimated the popularity of the game,
and now are playing catch up.

The popularity of titans, at least. It remains to be seen whether they'll still be popular once people start playing the game.

But assuming they are, then that would probably be the understatement of the year.

Given the near universal backlash at the pricing upon reveal amongst other things, you can see why they might have been tentative.

Aye, plus the fact that it is a very small game in its model count at launch - just two models. With there being perhaps only four by the end of the year. Granted there's weapon variety in there, but that is still a very small launch by GW standards; even skirmish games by other companies launch with more models for a new game (at least if not more than double that number between two or more factions).

It's a lot of risk on a high value product. So its good that GW has underplayed their hand a bit and found hte demand so strong; hopefully this keeps up beyond the launch period.

I have found that even with the low model count there is a TON of variety built in. For instance, you can make Household Knights several different types of functional units. You have the Rapid Fire Battlecannon type which likes to get into melee or the versions that hang back, the Thermal Knights which flank and harass. There is flexibility in there and it is very interesting tactically.


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puzzledust wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
I was expecting 8th edition on a smaller scale with big robots... Weapon Arcs? Leave that nonsense in 7th edition where it belonged!

puzzledust wrote:

Why couldn't they just supply a new set of Epic Rules with the launch of the new units? (answer: They could but this is GW so they will make you re-buy everything again in a slightly different scale )

This is a new edition of Adeptus Titanicus, not a new edition of Epic. AT was always about managing a small number of units in detail. It was after all created as a competitor to Battletech.

I have no doubt that should this prove sufficiently popular we'll see the same approach as the first time around; a gradual increase in the range of available units with new rules for AT. Then eventually once the model range has enough depth, there will be with a new ruleset that has less emphasis on Titans and more on other units.

I think you missed my point. I'm basically saying the same thing. "Why can't they release new rules with the launch of new Epic miniatures down the line?" Which according to you is what they did before.

It's called checking market interest. The more people who buy this the more likely other formats like epic could return with rules to use knights and titans from AT


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AccidentalCultist wrote:
Is this the place to discuss tactics? I can't see a tactics/list discussion thread (and dont have time/experiance to create and admin one). Played my first game last night and it was AMAZING! I have many list idea's and tactics to discuss...but no where to do it!

I want tactic discussions! Point me to the place!

Zenithfleet wrote:


The 3rd ed Eldar Titans were bleh, though.

I agree the original Phantoms are superior, but the Epic 40k ones were really fun to paint. Especially when dry brushing.


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 xttz wrote:
AT was always about managing a small number of units in detail. It was after all created as a competitor to Battletech.

Not entirely true. Rules for vehicles following in White Dwarf like 2 months after the first AT release. I think there was always a plan, just limited resources at the time.

Well, FW'S ROW price bump is going to make any resin parts or models more expensive.

I'm still hoping there is at least one plastic upgrade for the warlord, and they avoid resin for the more commonly taken weapons. Not too keen on those US prices.

Ditto, even with U.K. prices!

Regarding FW move, I would have preferred to retain the possibility to choose from paying in £ or in my local currency, I am afraid costs will be higher indeed (curious to see how things will compare when factoring shipping, import taxes, FX conversion fees and the like into the total costs).

Killing time waiting for my boxes to arrive I compared the changes in stock at ElementGames between yesterday and today (approximately covering a 24h window). It is purely anecdotical as I have no comparison point at all.

Civitas Imperialis: 3 sold
Civitas Imperialis Sector: 13 sold
Imperial Knights: 16 sold
Rules Set: 8 sold
Warlord: 21 sold
Bundle (Rules set + 2 x Warlord + 2 x Knights + 1 x Civitas Imperialis): 10 sold
Bundle (Rules set + 1 x Warlord + 1 x Knights): 8 sold

 Thargrim wrote:
I'm still hoping there is at least one plastic upgrade for the warlord, and they avoid resin for the more commonly taken weapons. Not too keen on those US prices.

So did I pick a bad time to jump on the GW / AT train?

Outside of some kind of matched play thing run by GW I wouldn't worry much about the resin Forgeworld aftermarket stuff - I imagine the market will be flooded with resin alternatives and 3D printed options which'll cover you.

puzzledust wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
I'm still hoping there is at least one plastic upgrade for the warlord, and they avoid resin for the more commonly taken weapons. Not too keen on those US prices.

So did I pick a bad time to jump on the GW / AT train?

Not necessarily, I think Necromunda will be more affected by this than AT because the upgrade kits are more essential for some gangs. (not to mention necromundas character/beast/brute models) This only means that if they do resin stuff for AT it will be a tad more costly. Good thing is its designed to be magnetized so I guess you only need to buy a weapon arm once. They kind of indicated that they were going to try and do plastic upgrade sprues anyways, that is why the sprues are laid out with armor plates on one, weapons on the other, etc.

As far as i'm concerned GW is still good ol GW, it's just that they have a community team now to put on a good public face.

 Thargrim wrote:
I'm still hoping there is at least one plastic upgrade for the warlord, and they avoid resin for the more commonly taken weapons. Not too keen on those US prices.

Given that all the digital sculpting was done at roughly the same time, I'd bet that the initial round of weapons (the ones for which we currently have cards) will be plastic.

After that, I'm guessing resin will be the norm.

 schoon wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
I'm still hoping there is at least one plastic upgrade for the warlord, and they avoid resin for the more commonly taken weapons. Not too keen on those US prices.

Given that all the digital sculpting was done at roughly the same time, I'd bet that the initial round of weapons (the ones for which we currently have cards) will be plastic.

After that, I'm guessing resin will be the norm.

Well I was looking in the rulebook and carapace turbo lasers, plus the plasma annihilator were seen on a couple of the warlord models. So the sculpts on those are done...why they didn't preview those at warhammerfest I do not know...as they obviously have models built and painted with those options. Hopefully those two, plus the fist/claw and one head option make it onto an upgrade sprue.

The knight missile pods may end up being resin, but i'm hoping they do a tiny sprue like the size of primaris chapter upgrades. Except put 2 little powerfists, 2 missile pods, and 3 knight head options on there or something. I think they only have one sculptor working on this stuff though (hopefully andy hoare has already put him to work on cerastus knights).

I'm nearly positive the next warlord sprue will be a pair of laser blasters, 1 sunfury, and one arioch claw, with a mars beta head or two, going by the art in the books and what is already sculpted in 28mm. And they are already cad so no near to measure to convert in.

Reaver would take longer, but there are 28mm versions of the chainfist, volcano cannon, melta cannon, and carapace turbolasers already.

Now, I may be thicker than a Whale omelette with this statement, but.....

Totally just twigged the name of the game.

It’s not Horus Heresy; Adeptus Titanicus. But Adeptus Titanicus; Horus Heresy.

May suggest plans already foot for Xenos additions.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Now, I may be thicker than a Whale omelette with this statement, but.....

Totally just twigged the name of the game.

It’s not Horus Heresy; Adeptus Titanicus. But Adeptus Titanicus; Horus Heresy.

May suggest plans already foot for Xenos additions.

that's their plan yeah. if AT does well eneugh to warrent expanding, they'll put out xenos kits etc it'll praobyl be a few years though

I got my GME today. Wow.

First off, the box. I havent seen GW release a game in such a sturdy box. Its about as indestructable of a box I have ever seen a game come in. Very impressed.

The detail of the Warlords and Knights is amazing. And ridiculously complex to build. For those that don't know, each comes with their own instruction book for assembly. I honestly wish the Warlord (and everything else) was smaller in size. I think its in part the reason these are so expensive, and no doubt will keep some people interested in the game on the sidelines.

I had enough time to read the basic rules and felt, 'Okay I got this' and then I breezed through the Advanced rules and my head was spinning. Def a game you kind of have to take on in steps. The print text of the book doesnt help either. They do a night job placing page numbers on where to go to read up on more rules, which helps. Overall the rulebook is nice, but I also feel kind of skimpy on the Horus Heresy. I guess a game like this assumes you know what AT is and what the Horus Heresy is if you are shelling this much out for it.

The titan templates to track all the damage and whatnot are actually smaller than I thought. I think they still take up too much space. I think they could have designed them to be read clearer and smaller in size and that would have been easier to find room for them when playing. Keep in mind when they say the game was designed to play on a 4x4 foot table, they kind of assume players are playing on a bigger table, like a 6x4, and will use the unused space for these cards. And to be honest, the Warlords being so big, I will prob just play on a 6x4 space anyway. I think 4x4 is too small for the size of these models.

The buildings are nicer in person than how they look online. Going to be fun to build and I will def be ordering some more.

The rulebook does specifiy expansion, and the game has sold well, so I hope we see more beyond the Reavers and Warlords. To be honest, I have a feeling we'll be seeing some kind of Space Marine follow up, maybe as a set of self contained units like Knights, or whatever. Given the detail of the Knights I can only imagine what Land Raiders would look like.


The Warlord has little guns facing the back. Looks like a set of lascannons and maybe some anti-personel weapon. They certainly didn't need to put these on, so I am guessing they were done deliberately in the event they expand the game to include infantry and vehicles.


I wasn't crazy about making Epic minis based on 8mm, but seeing the detail of the guns on the Knights, I think it was the right move. If they do release mini marines, they will look amazing.


I feel its kind of an elitest game, given the price to play and the limited number of current units, which is a disappointment. If the models were a little smaller and more affordable, I am sure EVERYONE would buy this set. The rules do provide a lot of game play, and I appreciate the effort they do to give a nod to the original AT. The newer rules are def more complex than the older ones, and its going to involve a lot of tracking and dice rolling, but I think it will be interesting for awhile at least.


I will def be buying a couple of Reavers, and at least 4 Warhounds. I don't think I'll buy another Warlord.


I really, REALLY, hope FW gets on board with this and releases custom parts, weapons, and so on. Even if they are the ones that release infantry and vehicle models, I would be ok with that.


I'll give the set an A-, mostly due to the quality of the components and the fact they even pulled this off. Will have to play a few games to see where that rating goes.

 KTG17 wrote:
The Warlord has little guns facing the back. Looks like a set of lascannons and maybe some anti-personel weapon. They certainly didn't need to put these on, so I am guessing they were done deliberately in the event they expand the game to include infantry and vehicles.

The ardex guns are on there to help provide scale, and because they are on the full size model.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 KTG17 wrote:
The Warlord has little guns facing the back. Looks like a set of lascannons and maybe some anti-personel weapon. They certainly didn't need to put these on, so I am guessing they were done deliberately in the event they expand the game to include infantry and vehicles.

The ardex guns are on there to help provide scale, and because they are on the full size model.

They have rule, it's written on the Warlord terminal : D3 S5 hit for target in Front and Rear arc within 6"

after much procastinating I've finally begin assmbly of my titans, got the leg assmbly of the first warlord done just now, which TBH was what worried me the most (I hate ball and socket joints. I get they wanted to give us amazing posability but I spent all evening worrying I was gonna feth it up) I've already decided on names for my warlords, Dominus Belli and Ferrus Rex

Sorry for a question that I know is somewhere back in the last 29 pages of this thread, but does someone have the base sizes of Reavers and Warhounds ready to hand?

Reavers - 105mm oval or 115 but I can’t find that size on GW’s site.
Warhound - 80mm round
(Going by the turning/arc templates)