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 GaroRobe wrote:
Apparently there’s a leak/rumor going around that the 5th Edition is going to End Times AOS lol

It seems very stupid but guy posting the rumor, Boole, is the leaker behind the OBR and other recent AOS rumors


Doubt it, not with the sheer amount of resources they've put into it over the last couple of years.
Having just skimmed the thread, the sheer nonsense he's throwing out seems more like an April fools thing.

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Seems like a background reshuffle type of "end times" rather than a blowing up the game type of end times.

Everything basically remains.
   
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That’s the fun part; you don’t have to end-times anything to fundamentally change the setting. Nagash turned his Plane inside out to drag more souls into Death, why can’s Sigmar turn his Plane into a ball with an elemental lightning core, and a solid “real” surface?
Why? So that all Gnawholes end up in the lightning bath rather than the surface.

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If anything like this turns out to be true (which i doubt, but you never know with GW's general stupidity), i see it being akin to 40k's splitting of the imperium. Big "oh no" shock, nothing will ever be the same. But oh look, nothing has actually changed at all.
   
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I doubt it, the amount of kits and minis for AoS currently available is just massive! Also they are even trimming "range bloat".
I dont see they ending the game, but I do get the feeling the starter boxes do hang around for too long.

   
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 NAVARRO wrote:
I doubt it, the amount of kits and minis for AoS currently available is just massive! Also they are even trimming "range bloat".
I dont see they ending the game, but I do get the feeling the starter boxes do hang around for too long.


The rumour for the game and the current kits is that nothing would change (other than a fifth ed, as per usual).

It's really just a fluff upheaval, which is why it seems plausible enough for me. As much as GW would no doubt push it as "nothing will ever be the same" not *that* much would change about the bit of the setting where people hit each other over the head with axes. It's not like an End Times, the factions will still be the factions. Indeed, it seems like rather fewer armies would be invalidated than have been this edition.

I'm pretty sure I've said before on here that I felt like the lack of geography was the biggest issue in AOS's fluff and I think they needed to combine everything together in one world, so I am pleased to note my newfound power to shape reality. I promise only to use it for mostly good. Ish.

(In all seriousness, I am very surprised they are doing it even if I think it's a good idea, but there you go.)
   
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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
... (which i doubt, but you never know with GW's general stupidity)...


That's the correct attitude alright.

Something to consider. AoS is technically still on its first rules framework, in spite of the changes since 1st ed. I wouldn't be surprised if someone who isn't all that familiar with GW's antics saw a combination of a full rules overhaul and apocalyptic story developments (which AoS had plenty of, basically from the beginning) and drew the wrong conclusions.

Who knows. Maybe GW finally does away with the double turn. That must surely sound like the end times to some people.

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Wasn't there a rumor about new gutter runners floating around or did I dream that up myself?
   
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AoS as a setting is so nebulous by design, you could End Times it every edition and barely anyone would notice.

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Wasn't there a rumor about new gutter runners floating around or did I dream that up myself?


Yeah, there was.
   
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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:
Apparently there’s a leak/rumor going around that the 5th Edition is going to End Times AOS lol

It seems very stupid but guy posting the rumor, Boole, is the leaker behind the OBR and other recent AOS rumors


Doubt it, not with the sheer amount of resources they've put into it over the last couple of years.
Having just skimmed the thread, the sheer nonsense he's throwing out seems more like an April fools thing.

Anyway, DoK focus:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ua2wkuys/perform-khainite-blood-rituals-with-battletome-daughters-of-khaine/


'Pick a non-Unique hero' Gonna stop you right there, bud. With the way Army construction is built now? Already hate it. 'Oh you can transfer it to a new non-unique hero!' Oh goody, I'm sure the single Melusai Ironscale you run with Morathi is super happy to hear that.

I like that they're trying to make the battle rites more interactive and flexible, but tying it to the 1-2 hero units MOST armies in the game run right now isn't it. Hopefully they significantly buff the generic heroes to make this ability not just a straight nerf to battle rites.


 
   
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 GaroRobe wrote:
Apparently there’s a leak/rumor going around that the 5th Edition is going to End Times AOS lol

It seems very stupid but guy posting the rumor, Boole, is the leaker behind the OBR and other recent AOS rumors


This rumour would be far more believable if April Fools day wasn't next week. As it stands, the whole story is just reversing the End Times. The line about waiting until after Adeptucon hints that this is an April fools drop too.

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I don’t buy it, because it sounds like the perfect mole trap.

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I just don’t think all the rumers I am seeing unless GW is seeing AoS as a failure. But i wasn’t thinking it was.

But I really hope they don’t one world it, even if it’s been a fault of AoS being all these different worlds, it was the shoddy world building around that, that really sucked. There wasn’t a good core of how anything was connected and interact, or how everything worked. As well as the factions being idea dumping grounds more than particularly tied into anything interesting about its settings. If they start to sort that out, then I would be happy.

Hopefully the rumers are more just someone making stuff up than close to what GW is doing,
   
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Does anyone have a link to the original rumour?

Valrak has done a video, and normally I’d watch it. But the man himself knows nowt about AoS, so I don’t think he’s quite the right man for that reporting job.

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It's worth noting that Boole (the guy who posted it) has since deleted his account over on TGA. I think it's just a massive stitch up job by him.
   
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End Times'ing AoS makes no sense. It may not match 40k's profits, but still is a behemoth and is immensely popular.

If AoS had been dying like WHFB did, then sure. But GW isn't going to just kill something that actively is pouring money down their pockets.

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 Ashiraya wrote:
End Times'ing AoS makes no sense. It may not match 40k's profits, but still is a behemoth and is immensely popular.

If AoS had been dying like WHFB did, then sure. But GW isn't going to just kill something that actively is pouring money down their pockets.


I think i saw that on the latest ICV2 (is that what it's called? the list that the third parties have for their most sold games) had AoS at number 3 for the first time ever i think in the latest list. Sales are certainly not a problem.
   
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Huh, I could have sworn they were number 2 at some point. 3 is good though, especially since 1 is basically a bingo free space since 40k exists.

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Isn't the number 2 spot perpetually held by Nolzurs usually?
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Does anyone have a link to the original rumour?

Valrak has done a video, and normally I’d watch it. But the man himself knows nowt about AoS, so I don’t think he’s quite the right man for that reporting job.


The video is basically him reading the original rumour.
   
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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
It's worth noting that Boole (the guy who posted it) has since deleted his account over on TGA. I think it's just a massive stitch up job by him.


Or less stich up by and more mole hunt for...
   
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First off, april 1st is around the corner: trust nothing over the next week or two.

Secondly, context is key. Saying they are going to "end times" the setting implies they are killing it. Boole was clear that is not the case and that it is actually selling very well. He is however big-mad at what is basically a massive lore reset of the setting, essentially the mortal realms go away and the mapped out segment of each of the mortal realms get stitched together into a single planet. A few of the factions get slightly reimagined a bit in terms of lore, but basically everything stays playable and they intend to add several new factions.

Anyway, heres the text that was apparently deleted:

Spoiler:
We received word about this a while back — but along with it came a flood of conflicting information.

In hindsight, those inconsistencies were probably just staffers throwing up smoke because they were in shock themselves.

The worst version of the story is one we’d rather not post here. It wouldn’t accomplish anything — just break the hearts of fans and undo years of AoS’s momentum.



But after getting some images and transcriptions of the actual text from the PDFs, we had a discussion internally and can confirm: Rob on YouTube, and the Discord member were accurate.



I’ll be upfront — the people behind this account, meaning us, were never fans of AoS. More than a decade ago, we were outright hostile to it. But even we are furious at how this turned out. The dumbest scenario imaginable is happening all over again. WHFB fans won’t pay for this, and AoS fans will be absolutely livid.



What makes it worse is that AoS has never been a commercial failure. Last time something like this went down — and you all know what I’m talking about — it was because WHFB had become a genuine commercial disaster by a certain point. That’s what pushed the higher-ups into making a reckless decision.



AoS, though? It’s never fallen that low. From what we know, since 2018, it’s been Games Workshop’s second-biggest product line after 40K, for WHFB fans like us, is wild. Even if we don’t like admitting AoS counts as Warhammer Fantasy Miniatures, internally it’s been labeled as the “Greatest Warhammer Fantasy” product.



So none of this makes sense. The people still at GW who gave us info don’t get it either. Most of the people who’ve worked on AoS are baffled. But maybe Phil Kelly leaving was the first sign of what was coming.



We were going to wait until after AdeptiCon to announce any of this — because this is definitely going to trigger internal investigations at GW — but we just can’t hold it in anymore. We think it’s time to lay everything out.







As we posted a few days ago:
“Slaanesh is free. The Realms that have been mapped, the Cities of Sigmar, the Chorfs’ cities — they’re not gone.”

Because all of those known locations are being merged into a single planet!
A Battleworld!
The Realms have been combined!
Eighty percent of what AoS has spent over a decade building is gone!


And yes — this is all thanks to Archaon and the Skaven. Again.
After all of it, only the Skaven can call themselves winners. Their lore and their new model range stay exactly as they are — and they definitely come out on top.



After the gates of Azyr were breached, Archaon destroyed everything. Anything you can think of in that realm was utterly annihilated by the Everchosen.





But at the last moment, Sigmar pulled the trigger on a Big Plan he’d been preparing for centuries. He always wanted to merge the Realms into a single new planet, and in the final hour, he went through with it. So here we are.



As for what happened to Sigmar? Archaon killed him like you’d crush a child. His death is written to be even more infuriating than The Death of Sanguinius in <The End and the Death>.
You can tell whoever wrote this had it out for Sigmar — and maybe for AoS in general.



What about the SCE? I don’t think they can reforge anymore. Their god is dead.





The Aelven Pantheon?
Nagash?
The Ancestor Gods?
Gorkamorka?

All unaccounted for. Maybe Archaon killed them too.



With the Realms destroyed, Slaanesh is back among the Dark Gods, and they’ve accepted the Great Horned Rat as one of them. The Five Gods stand eternal.





This new world is called The Last World.





Its continents are made up of the regions that had maps in the Eight Realms, stitched together. And the whole thing is a blatant, low-quality rehash of WHFB.



For example: the Great Nations of Hysh, home of the Lumineth, now exist as an island nation in the middle of an ocean…



CoS have basically turned back into The Empire — fragmented, ignorant, religiously fanatical, and racially divided.



We’re pretty sure a lot of the characters AoS fans know and love died in The Last World. They’re not coming back.



As for Archaon — I’m not sure. The information we got about him was almost comical.

“The Everchosen is gathering a Chaos army at a portal in the far north of The Last World.”

We’re not even sure if that “Everchosen” is Archaon. But it sure sounds familiar.



Who’s actually going to pay for this?
AoS fans — will you?



The only advice I can give right now is: if after all these lore changes you’re still willing to buy into AoS, 5th Edition will have way more SCE models with a grimmer, darker aesthetic than 4th — and a ton of Chaos Warriors covered in spikes and Chaos monsters.



As for the rest? We don’t know. That’s all we wanted to say. We’re exhausted, and we’re still figuring out if we should scrap this account. This is so big it’s definitely going to come back on us. We have no idea if GW will change anything about Fifth Edition over the next two years, but the first draft is done, and we’ve seen plenty of concept art. So odds of a major rewrite are probably low.



The one silver lining — and I mean the only one — is that The Last World will have several new human factions.

AoS-Not Grand Cathay
AoS-Not Nippon
AoS-Not Bretonnia


Sauce: https://www.tga.community/forums/topic/22826-the-rumour-thread/?page=8425&fbclid=IwY2xjawQuuYNleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFzYVk0SWFyaVUxdHZFdjZPc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHkwpmGUTErXTLDdprRiWu_6Q2FrhgMMqXBEuU7W2_BlrW4yqY82CJxsQOQ4g_aem_tXXbQdUoRmotCCYMc1BlCg

(scroll down a couple posts to the one by Myotragus

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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
It's worth noting that Boole (the guy who posted it) has since deleted his account over on TGA. I think it's just a massive stitch up job by him.


The account “Whitefang Back Me Up”, usually a reliable, if comically vague, rumor source on TGA cryptically posted “It’s True”, with no elaboration.

I think it sounds interesting, though I feel pretty apprehensive. Ballsy move, if anything.

Really enjoying The Honest Wargamers take on the rumors.

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"it's true" is such a nonsensical answer to be utterly worthless really. What parts are true, if any?
   
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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
"it's true" is such a nonsensical answer to be utterly worthless really. What parts are true, if any?


Would you accept a "trust me, bro"?

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It could all be bogus, but :

Page 12 of the SCE battletome :
Sigmars vision stretched beyond merely retaking his old territories and reigniting the ancient feuds that occupied his mind for so long. His ambition was to re-order the foundations of the realms themselves, anchoring the disparate worlds together through physical and arcane means.


All eight realmspheres, united as a single celestial body, the balance of magic restored and transformed into an arcane barrier that will keep the dark Gods at bay forever more


If he has to die to see that through, I think he’d make that sacrifice.

Honestly, as long as no one loses their army, I’m on board, if somewhat nervous!

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I mean, lets be real one of the biggest complaints that many have about AoS, including fanboys like myself, is that the mortal realms are too amorphous, nebulous, and vague to provide a sense of place the way 40k or whfb/tow do. I think this lore reset paves the way to fix that - though I think there are simpler ways to accomplish much the same without reworking a core feature of the setting.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
I mean, lets be real one of the biggest complaints that many have about AoS, including fanboys like myself, is that the mortal realms are too amorphous, nebulous, and vague to provide a sense of place the way 40k or whfb/tow do. I think this lore reset paves the way to fix that - though I think there are simpler ways to accomplish much the same without reworking a core feature of the setting.


I agree, its also not helped that there are lots of bits of the lore that are touched on and never again visited. Huge walking beasts with cities on them; huge volcano bases and loads of other stuff that appears in one story and never again. It leaves the setting feeling somewhat hollowed out because you hear of all these amazing things but they have no gravity to them in the setting. It's really hard to get a sense of how important a settlement is or how losing one has an impact on the grand narrative itself.

There's also somewhat of an issue with Stormcast and Nagash - both are building armies from the dead and it does not take many generations to have the dead outnumber the living very quickly. In theory this means if the AoS setting keeps advancing as fast as its timeline suggests it is; the it won't be long before every faction that isn't Stormcast or Nagash is basically going to be grossly outnumbered.




Honestly if we lose some heroes; but gain a setting that writers can more easily connect and build with; get more structure to the setting itself and NOT lose any models* then yeah a big lore re-set through advancing the story with a major event would be very acceptable.

* I can accept losing an army if its rolled into another. Which honestly we've already heard hints that that might be what happens to fyreslayers. There's also a strong chance Dark Elf models roll back into Old World.
I think as long as armies and models remain it will be totally fine. The mistake will be if they remove armies wholesale or go sideways and wipe out whole lines to replace them with drastically different model options.

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I think we are seeing the lack of initial building of the setting, there are lots of multi verse settings that are great. So it’s not impossible for it to be done if the writers are aloud to work on it. But i suspect its following on from where the writing staff had to write around what ever the miniature staff was doing, after finding out late in development and then having no autonomy to expand.
The setting feels lacking since it often isn’t particularly worth knowing about the setting, since GW doesn’t actually care about it.
I read two of the main books, and they left me going that sounds interesting is there anything more about it. And most of the books I read have felt hollow in the same way.
This is all easy changed if GW wants too.

But what I would like to see from a shake up is expanding factions to feel more diverse and have a feel like they are actually in the same setting.

More my own opinion, rules need an overhaul, it’s a pain to play the game and feels soo samey all the time. Worse than 40K.

If GW blows up the setting I don’t think any happy people here or from the community I am in, but no one seems to care about the rules of the game.
   
 
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