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Hi guys me and my friend are trying to create chaos armies and we wanted you guys opinion on which legion to theme it after, and we wanted to theme based on the most powerful actual gameplay wise and flluff wise as well.

IMHO i feel that gameplay wise it i think that the Thousand sons is are pretty decent, but haven't seemed to do much fluff wise, so if if could get as many outside opinons as possible i would really appreciate it

The Black Legion is, thanks to their massive recruitment, the largest and most powerful Legion.
1k sons have always been small but have, at least in the fluff, mighty sorcerors. Of course, on the tabletop they suck badly.

KingDeath wrote:The Black Legion is, thanks to their massive recruitment, the largest and most powerful Legion.
1k sons have always been small but have, at least in the fluff, mighty sorcerors. Of course, on the tabletop they suck badly.

+1

The Black Legion is probably the most powerful, but they usually get their fannies handed to them once real warfare starts. Most successful? Probably the Alpha Legion, in my opinion. If you want a successful Chaos Marine group that is a bit more Chaos-y than the Alpha Legion, I suggest checking out the Red Corsairs. (Granted, a warband rather than a Legion, but still fits the other criteria.)

I'd say fluff wise the black legion is indeed the most powerfull and has probably done the most damage to the Imperium as a whole. I think the second place goes to either the Word Bearers or the Iron Warriors, Word Bearers having more cannon fodder while the Iron Warriors has better equipment. World Eaters have also done a lot of damage to the Imperials, but they only operate as a large group when led by Angron and that makes large attacks by them rather rare. Death Guard has also managed to infect a large number of Imperial planets when led by Typhus the Traveller, last I heard he is turning a few worlds near the Cadian gate into daemon worlds.

It's important to remember that Legions don't really exist any more as organizations; warbands are the way Chaos operates. The Black Legion is the closest to retaining its pre-Heresy cohesiveness, but even it's nowhere near the regimented, organized entity it once was.

The Black Legion's definitely both the most powerful and most accomplished, however. People like to give Abaddon guff because of his perceived failures, but bear in mind he assaulted and successfully took 60% of the most heavily defended planet outside of Terra itself. If Cadia falls, Chaos can beeline right for Terra unimpeded. If Cadia falls, Chaos wins. And Abaddon's got over half the planet.

Black legion by far.

Then the following:
Alpha legion, Word Bearers, Iron warriors


Thousand Sons, Emperors Children, Death guard, World Eaters (They act more like independent factions, rather than their former coherent legions)


Night Lords and other recent renegades

Despite his failures in the past, it can't be argued that Abbaddon isn't the most successful Chaos Warlord, especially from the state the Legion was in after the Heresy. The Black Legion is the most successful, if not always favored and they are sure giving The Imperium a run for its money.

Were it not for the fact that GW portrays Abaddon and his Black Legion as the Dastardly and Mutley of W40K, i've no doubt that they'd easily be the most powerful and accomplished of the legions in their current states.

As it stands, some people may disagree due to the fact that Abaddon seems to be going nowhere with his crusades, but that's only because GW are reluctant to advance the storyline and/or let Chaos appear to actually be winning something.

My vote goes to the Black Legion.

I mean, another Legion could have easily dominated the the others when the Black Legion was low in strength, but Abbaddon has clawed his way back to supremacy, and certainly deserves it more than any other random Daemon Primarch or Chaos Lord, except for maybe DOOOMBREEED and his deliciously ruinous snack friend DOOOOMBREEAAD.

Word Bearers.

There wouldn't be any Chaos Legions without them.

The Luna Wolves were the greatest Legion of the day of course.

Probably Black Legion, and then Word Bearers and Iron Warriors.

BL have big recruitment and crusade everywhere, WB have tons of cultists and daemons for manpower, and IW have big recruitment and technology.

I wouldn't really give Word Bearers most powerful, but most successful certainly. They are also (along with the Alpha Legion) the most cohesive.

Iron Warriors all the way.

Here's me ranking them in order of how successful they've been since the Horus Heresy IMO.

1. Black Legion
They're the largest. They control two Blackstone Fortresses and the Planet Killer. They tax other Legions for Marines. Of course they're the strongest.
2. Alpha Legion
They're sneaky, they've remained united, and they are outside the Eye of Terror.
3. Death Guard
The Death Guard has remained united and strong. In addition they are close allies of the Black Legion.
4. Iron Warriors
They've had very few failures since the Horus Heresy and still manage to recruit.
5. Thousand Sons
Though they've accomplished some significant things since the Heresy they've been weakened over time, primarily due to their inability to recruit.
6. World Eaters
They've accomplished a lot, but they are also splintered badly and will probably never unite again.
7. Night Lords
The Night Lords have been splintered like the World Eaters and this is their main downfall. Nevertheless, they're sneaky like the Alpha Legion and thus have avoided demise.
8. Emperor's Children
They used to be one of the strongest Legions, but after stealing Horus' body from the Black Legion Abaddon got pissed and splintered and ruined them.
9. Word Bearers
They were one of the biggest players during the Horus Heresy and have remained united, but are also stagnant and generally don't have much influence. A lot of people will disagree with me on this, but it's hard to list any accomplishments they've had since the Heresy.

^ agreed.
except word bearers should be number 5.

Black Legion, Word Bearers, and Iron Warriors have retained some semblance of unity and cohesiveness, the other major Legions are all splintered into various factions. Thus they should be the top 3. Alpha Legion is a bit of both as while it's still presumably a unified force, its various cells scattered across the galaxy are acting independently towards the same goal.

LoneLictor wrote:
3. Death Guard
The Death Guard has remained united and strong. In addition they are close allies of the Black Legion.
.

This is incorrect, they are not united. After Mortarion created the plague planet and fashioned it in the likeness of his homeworld, Typhus and a few other captains along with their men left the legion. This is why Typhus bears the mark of nurgle only and not that of the death guard.

As far as power, black legion is the most powerful after that, there is really no point in arguing the other legions. Only abbadon realizes they must unite to take Terra. The other legions simply follow their own ambitions. Don't get me wrong word bearers are my favorite but they do not have the same vision as abbadon. They certainly are more powerful than the thousand sons tho, the thousand suns are almost as dissolved as the world eaters, small warbands just roaming the galaxy with the exception of ahriman

Eliliketheanchor wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:
3. Death Guard
The Death Guard has remained united and strong. In addition they are close allies of the Black Legion.
.

This is incorrect, they are not united. After Mortarion created the plague planet and fashioned it in the likeness of his homeworld, Typhus and a few other captains along with their men left the legion. This is why Typhus bears the mark of nurgle only and not that of the death guard.

As far as power, black legion is the most powerful after that, there is really no point in arguing the other legions. Only abbadon realizes they must unite to take Terra. The other legions simply follow their own ambitions. Don't get me wrong word bearers are my favorite but they do not have the same vision as abbadon. They certainly are more powerful than the thousand sons tho, the thousand suns are almost as dissolved as the world eaters, small warbands just roaming the galaxy with the exception of ahriman

The Word Bearers definitely are strong, but they're also stagnant. The Thousand Sons are weaker than the Word Bearers but they continue to fight.

Actually it's probably the Word Bearers. They haven't launched any big crusades but they are a constant pain to the imperium. The casulties from all the wars caused by heresys influenced by the WB could be more than the damage caused by the BL.

I don't understand how the Word Bearers are "stagnant". Stagnant as is, they aren't splintered into warbands like six of the other Legions? Word Bearers haven't been the most successful, but saying they are the least is a little bit of an over-exaggeration. What have the Emperors Children done?

The Alpha Legion, they are arguably the most successful because we still know so little about them even after 10000 years. If they can hide thier strength, they are the strongest.
However, based on what we know, the Black Legion has the greatest number of marines and followers, you can try to be like them, or create your army after them.

Monster Rain wrote:Word Bearers.

There wouldn't be any Chaos Legions without them.

+1


Word bearers, the most sucsessfull, bases in the mealstrom and the eye, still at legion strength.

oh yes, they are the ones.

Lorgar needs to get off his medetating ass, kill Failadon the despoiler, and take charge.

iproxtaco wrote:What have the Emperors Children done?

A lot of cocaine

Anyway, my vote goes to the Black Legion, they actually are assaulting Cadia and it seems like they've done quite a bit there. On the second-most heavily fortified planet in the Imperium (barring Terra).

Gavo wrote:. On the second-most heavily fortified planet in the Imperium (barring Terra).

Mars?

iproxtaco wrote:I don't understand how the Word Bearers are "stagnant". Stagnant as is, they aren't splintered into warbands like six of the other Legions? Word Bearers haven't been the most successful, but saying they are the least is a little bit of an over-exaggeration. What have the Emperors Children done?

They killed Reboute Gulliman. Actually, wait, they didn't. They just mortally wounded him and doomed him to a paralyzed fate worse than death.

Also, if we count in the Word Bearer's actions during the Horus Heresy, then I'd rate them as Number 5 or higher. I was just rating their accomplishments after the Heresy. They haven't done much beyond set up cults and take place in the Black Crusades, which almost every other Legion has down since then.

Alpha Legion is at the bottom. They're so inactive they've been declared extinct several times.

So, because they haven't killed or mortally wounded a Primarch, they are lowest on the scale, despite doing more than any other Legion to further their goals bar The Black Legion and possibly the Alpha Legion. Setting up countless cults across the Imperium is a lot better than performing one act and then splintering into hundreds of individual bands. Them, the Iron Warriors and The Black Legion are the only remotely unified force, each having a central command, the same goals throughout the Legion, and coordination.

Also, if we count in the Word Bearer's actions during the Horus Heresy, then I'd rate them as Number 5 or higher. I was just rating their accomplishments after the Heresy. They haven't done much beyond set up cults and take place in the Black Crusades, which almost every other Legion has down since then.

Huh?

If we rate them including actions during the heresy then it is definately the Word bearers are easily number 1 seeing that they started the heresy.