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Yeah I wish Lorgar got fleshed out a bit, he seems bad-ass but there is not much about why he is a demon prince. Aaron Dembski-Bowden called : Aurelian

Lorgar? the first time i heard of him was in DOWark Crusade and he was only mentioned twice- once as a piece of wargear and once saying that he had ordered the invasion.

kinda weak for a "face" for evil, isnt it?

i think abaddon works. he has failed, true, but what bad guy ever succeeds? he has the balls to launch an invasion of the second most heavily defended sector in the galaxy, and WASNT immediately slaughtered. is an abiding threat for the imperium and will never truly die, no matter how hard the imperials try (and they HAVE tried- the best assassins they have have been sent agaisnt abby and his lieutenants, and they failed.)

Would have to agree that the Black Legion are the most accomplished. Iron Warriors next maybe and then Word Bearers. But even they have there issues and aren't as coherent a force as the Black Legion, with more than their fair share of internal squabbles.

The majority of the traitor forces are little more than warbands now, but Abaddon is leader enough to pull these under his wing.

Has Abaddon failed though, or has he achieved what he set out to do in that specific Black Crusade? He's got an eternity to get to Terra, I'm pretty sure he could get to Terra as it is, if he really wanted to, but he would get his ass handed too him. I think it's a case of getting his eggs all in one basket.

Now he has a foothold on Cadia and he's got some Blackstone fortresses still, maybe, I wouldn't count Abaddon out yet. He's in it for the long game.

Blackhoof wrote:Lorgar? the first time i heard of him was in DOWark Crusade and he was only mentioned twice- once as a piece of wargear and once saying that he had ordered the invasion.

kinda weak for a "face" for evil, isnt it?

i think abaddon works. he has failed, true, but what bad guy ever succeeds? he has the balls to launch an invasion of the second most heavily defended sector in the galaxy, and WASNT immediately slaughtered. is an abiding threat for the imperium and will never truly die, no matter how hard the imperials try (and they HAVE tried- the best assassins they have have been sent agaisnt abby and his lieutenants, and they failed.)

This is why we would need him fleshed out first. All the fluff we do have points to him being "the face" for chaos.

Does it matter how powerful any of them are? They're so far down the scale of threats to the galaxy that they don't even rank.

Yes, Chaos is a threat. The traitor marines are not on their own. There simply aren't enough of them to matter.

Power isn't the only question but hey, ignore that. I'd say a force of Chaos led by the traitor legions that could breach the Cadian Gate is fairly high on the priority list next to the galactic footnotes that are the Necrons, Tyranids and The Tau. Renegade PDF are more of a concern that those three.

This topic is about the legions only. Not any other forces they can muster.

They're the driving force behind it, they lead it, they're the main fighting force of the attack on the Cadian Gate, which has nearly succeeded. I'd still say they're fairly high on the priority list.

Lorgar is a pansy. Read 'First Heretic'. If it wasn't for Curze he'd be dead.

I think someone is missing something, like the capability to read the thread.

iproxtaco wrote:I think someone is missing something, like the capability to read the thread.