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Would an Ordo Xeno Inquisiter get help from xenos to help fight xenos.

The reason I am asking this because I would like to know if a henchman warband be fluffy if I used Xenos.

I assume you are referring to Jokaero.

Jokaero are NOT a sapient species. they have the mental state of an animal. it just happens that this animal was programmed by its creaters to make advanced Technology.

the Imperium has found this useful and its no different from having a trained attack dog.



If you are referring to a Inquisitor asking for Eldar to help him fight an ork waaagh.

probably not, although in certain circumstances an Inquisitor might accept help from the Eldar. only a fool disregards the word of an Eldar. he would accept the help, but wouldn't trust them at all.

Grey Templar I was refering to an Inquisitors asking eldar for help and thanks for the information.

Depends on the Inquisitor in question. Some radicals might, an emprah fearing Monodominant wouldn't. In fact the later is probably too busy with wiping away the froth from his mouth, whenever he hears the word xeno, to be of any general use for the Imperium

Depends on the situation tbh, the majority of inquisitors WILL ask for xenos help (as with the example posted by Grey Templar of an inquisitor asking for assistance from an eldar) but only in the most desperate of situations or usually when there is absolutely no other option available.

@ion3456: yeah, i mean though the 'assisstance' usually ends in one side being betrayed by the other, the IOM has asked eldar for aid and even blood axe Orks for aid. Its all relative, like inquisitor kryptmann using hrud bought technology to help kill the tarsis ultra tyranid splinter fleet.

Yes. Ordos Xenos is much more practical in their operation than the other two, for good reason. Reasonable deals can be made with sapient aliens that can benefit both parties. Not so much with daemons.

Ordos Xenos exists to protect the Imperium from alien influence, not to universally eradicate all xenos.

Though eradicating all other xeno species would fulfill their primary mission just as neatly.

What evidence is there in the fluff that the Ordo Xenos does make sensible deals with sapient xenians to the benefit of both parties, rather than seeking to destroy them?

I believe that some Inquisitors of the Ordo Xenos have an agreement with the Eldar of Craftworld Ulthwe known as the Conclave of Isha or something like that. They agree to help each other in extreme cases. That's why in that one Grey Knight battle against the Daemon on that dead Craftworld that was eating spirit stones, the Grey Knights returned the remaining spirit stones over to the nearest eldar.

Kilkrazy wrote:What evidence is there in the fluff that the Ordo Xenos does make sensible deals with sapient xenians to the benefit of both parties, rather than seeking to destroy them?

p47 Grey Knights Codex - Inquistor Helynna Valeria is said to treat with Eldar, Draxians, Ulumeathi and Hrud as well as hundred other races...

Are you including BL publications - if so:

Amberley deals with the Tau in the first Cain novel establishing a truce between the two sides (and also allowiing them to take back stealer infected warriors - tricksy)

Inquisitor Lilith in Ghostmaker joins the Eldar to foil Choas plans and assist Dolthe Craftworld

well it seems that female Inquisitors are a little more clever and open minded?

A radical would have no problems using xenos as henchmen. Compared to a daemonhost, most aliens are pretty friendly.

IIRC Ordo Xenos inquisitors are more open minded than the rest of the inquisition (although it's directly said there are a lot of cases of Inquisitors using aliens compared to the number that use daemons). There are certainly references to them using Orks, Kroot or Eldar (usually outcasts). Inquisitor Ravenor is puritan and openly criticizes radicals however he has no issues using eldar technology to boost his pschic powers and mentions that he has worked with the eldar in the past.

I think the term "ask for help" is not appropriate. The Imperium let alone an Inquisitor never "asks for help" certainly not from xenos filth.

In one of the dexes (maybe old Daemonhunters) it mentions that Inquisitors have been allowed into the Black Library. It didn't say which branch, but that would imply that at least a few of them are on pretty decent terms with Eldar.

daedalus wrote:In one of the dexes (maybe old Daemonhunters) it mentions that Inquisitors have been allowed into the Black Library. It didn't say which branch, but that would imply that at least a few of them are on pretty decent terms with Eldar.

That's not surprising. The Black Library is a sort of 'repository' for all information about Daemons. They have everything from treatises by the Eldar on the nature of the Warp, to Magnus' Grimoire stored within.

There's a very, very good reason that Ahriman wanted into the Black Library during the 13th Black Crusade.

However, I'm still looking for it, but there's been a few mentions of something called the 'Conclave of Isha' which was a Conclave the Inquisition held with important members of the Eldar in attendance as well(such as Eldrad, to 'namedrop') to discuss dealing with Daemonic incursions and arrange some kind of communication pathway for the Inquisition and Eldar to converse via the Black Library's guardians.

Kan and his epic reading skills...

purplefood wrote:Kan and his epic reading skills...

You just want me to read another story while we're playing Reach.

I should have replied to this one earlier, but I'm still waking up and coffee isn't hot yet.

4M2A wrote:A radical would have no problems using xenos as henchmen. Compared to a daemonhost, most aliens are pretty friendly.

IIRC Ordo Xenos inquisitors are more open minded than the rest of the inquisition (although it's directly said there are a lot of cases of Inquisitors using aliens compared to the number that use daemons). There are certainly references to them using Orks, Kroot or Eldar (usually outcasts). Inquisitor Ravenor is puritan and openly criticizes radicals however he has no issues using eldar technology to boost his pschic powers and mentions that he has worked with the eldar in the past.

The thing to remember is that 'using aliens' isn't necessarily the act of a radical for a member of the Ordo Xenos.
You're not actively courting some dark, malicious intelligence residing within the Immaterium when you have a Kroot bodyguard or hire some Freebootaz to go fight another band of Orks. You're using the Xenos as a tool, nothing more.

Where things get a bit more 'radical' is working alongside the Craftworld Eldar or Tau. It's impossible to think of the Eldar as anything but intelligent beings, while Kroot and Orks can be thought of as dumb animals. However it's a stupid Inquisitor who ignores the words of the Eldar, and an even more stupid Inquisitor who takes the word of the Craftworld Eldar at face value.

And where things get even more radical is when you're talking about 'Chaos breeds' like the Loxatl. They're fantastic shock troops, they're highly intelligent, they're talented hunters...but they're tainted through and through. And woe betide anyone found to be actively courting the favor of the Dark Eldar, for they're traitors to the Imperium at best and heathen cultists seeking the favor of dark masters at worst.

Kanluwen wrote:

purplefood wrote:Kan and his epic reading skills...

You just want me to read another story while we're playing Reach.

It gives me an excuse to build a rather shoddy box castle...

Conclave of Isha is C.S Goto BL writing. Do with that what you will.

Nay. I've seen it elsewhere before Goto came around.

Ah ok then. That is the only place I can source it anyway.

It's proving to be notoriously difficult to find. I dug through practically everything that should have it.

If it was written by Goto, it would be on Lexicanum. It's not, which makes me think it likely isn't canon anymore.

But then in C: Grey Knights, we have something that kind of suggests it might still be there with the Grey Knights leaving Purifiers standing guard over a Craftworld they cleansed of Slaaneshi Daemons--with the Purifiers 'guarding' the Craftworld until the Eldar can come and collect the Soulstones from the Craftworld.

Kilkrazy wrote:What evidence is there in the fluff that the Ordo Xenos does make sensible deals with sapient xenians to the benefit of both parties, rather than seeking to destroy them?

For the Emperor by Sandy Mitchell. Amberly Vail works pleasantly enough with the Tau and the Kroot, since she suspects the presence of Tyranid genestealers. Of course, she neglects to tell the Tau of her suspicions, and in the end she 'forgets' to tell the Tau that their soldiers who were imprisoned by the 'stealers are likely infected, but that's the nature of such truces.

They did make a tau diplomat model to be used as a henchman.

Kilkrazy wrote:What evidence is there in the fluff that the Ordo Xenos does make sensible deals with sapient xenians to the benefit of both parties, rather than seeking to destroy them?

Inquisitor Ravenor makes an extremely mysterious deal with an Eldar Farseer (even to the point that Ravenor refers to this Eldar as "lord") in the latter Eisenhorn novels. It is through this arrangement that Ravenor becomes the awe-inspiringly powerful psyker that he is, pushing himself up to the beta, possibly alpha-class. Mayhaps even alpha-plus, Abnett never gives The Chair a psy-rating, but he was at least a delta-grade before the Thracian Prime events.

As with anything in the Inquisition, it depends on the individual in question.

If Radical Malleus Inquisiters use demons than I don't see why radical xenos ones would't use aliens.

Ordo Xenos Inquisitors would certainly pursue pragmatic deals with the Eldar, but having Eldar henchman would be very unlikely, given where the Eldar see humans in the pecking order. I guess you could rationalise it as the Eldar accompanying the Inquisitor temporarily, but I could never see an Eldar actually joining the retinue of an Inquisitor. Even Ravenor was very much the junior partner when dealing with his Eldar ally.

"Suffer Not the Alien to Live"

As one poster already mentioned, "ask for help" probably isn't appropriate here. Imperial Officials, from Inquisitors to Navy Captains to IG Colonels, may accept help and even work alongside other races in the face of a greater threat. One example of this is the Tyranid Codex, which mentions several small xenos empires travelling with the Imperial Navy in one instance and participating in the battle against the Hive Fleet.

But I can't recall any instance of the Imperium actually requesting help or pleasing assistance from any Xenos.