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I've heard multiple times that the Alpha Legion had 2 primarchs. Anyone know the story behind it? And whats the deal with the Alpha Legion in the current 40k universe? I know they are traitors Im just wondering if there is any books about them or what not.

1 was called Alpharius and the other one was called Omegon.
They were twins... they still are i suppose depending on who you listen to...
The Alpha Legion are... complicated...

They are twins, Alpharius and Omegon. One lead the Legion, the other was head of the Alpha Legion special forces although it is possibly they swapped around a bit.

According to the Smurfs Robute killed Alpharius after the HH, but it is possibly... nay probable this was but a deception by the alpha legion.

Considering even the Ultramarines aren't sure of the kill and the fact the Alpha Legion has reputedly been wiped out 3 times in its long history and the fact that they managed to alter some Inquisition records on themselves as well as the fact that numerous Alpha Legion warlords have come forwards claiming to be Alpharius...
Well it's likely the b*st*d is alive and well and causing havoc.

Ya I've tryed to find more info about the Alpha Legion online and what not and there are never any clear answers. My brother plays them and loves there background and everything. But they really just dont make any sense to me with how they are one of the first chapters but so little is known about their current primarchs

Spartan 117 wrote:Ya I've tryed to find more info about the Alpha Legion online and what not and there are never any clear answers. My brother plays them and loves there background and everything. But they really just dont make any sense to me with how they are one of the first LEGIONS but so little is known about their current primarchs

Fixed that for you.

It is because deception is thier thing, it is what they do.

Pretty much what the purple one has said.

Also, I'd really recommend reading this book:

Secrets and Lies!

Though at the end, you'll have more questions than answers.

Still, it is a fun ride!

Alpharius wrote:Pretty much what the purple one has said.

Also, I'd really recommend reading this book:

Secrets and Lies!

Though at the end, you'll have more questions than answers.

Still, it is a fun ride!

It's like Lost... in space... with guns... and aliens... and space marines...
Okay it isn't like Lost at all.

purplefood wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Pretty much what the purple one has said.

Also, I'd really recommend reading this book:

Secrets and Lies!

Though at the end, you'll have more questions than answers.

Still, it is a fun ride!

It's like Lost... in space... with guns... and aliens... and space marines...
Okay it isn't like Lost at all.

Definitely going to have to read it now. Lol. Is it a novel solely on the Alpha Legion?

Luckily, I had this page open at the time of reading this thread...

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Alpharius

Lets all face it the Alpha Legion has some of the most confusing lore in the entire 40k universe.....

Asherian Command wrote:Lets all face it the Alpha Legion has some of the most confusing lore in the entire 40k universe.....

No kidding.

Made all the more interesting... and confusing after LEGION!

There is also a short that features them in "Victories of the space marines". It shows their planning and deceit pretty well.

Veldrain wrote:There is also a short that features them in "Victories of the space marines". It shows their planning and deceit pretty well.

Sadly, the story there fits better in the background from before LEGION.

It makes little sense since LEGION.

But then, so does THE HUNT FOR VOLDORIUS.

I swear, it is almost as if BL writers don't read other books set in the 40K galaxy - and I guess that's OK (not wishing to be unduly 'influenced'), but could they at least ready the plot synopsis?

Or maybe an editor could help them out?

Spartan 117 wrote:I've heard multiple times that the Alpha Legion had 2 primarchs. Anyone know the story behind it? And whats the deal with the Alpha Legion in the current 40k universe? I know they are traitors Im just wondering if there is any books about them or what not.

Apharius and Omegon are actually one person split in half by chaos, i.e. they started as a single baby in the tube but after chaos scattered them they were split. They someow share a soul.

As a legion they are very secretive, the Great Crusade only knew of one primarch, they made every marine identical, used psyker projections to appear normal in public, etc add to the fact that they were the last primarches to be found and you get very little known about them.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Spartan 117 wrote:I've heard multiple times that the Alpha Legion had 2 primarchs. Anyone know the story behind it? And whats the deal with the Alpha Legion in the current 40k universe? I know they are traitors Im just wondering if there is any books about them or what not.

Apharius and Omegon are actually one person split in half by chaos, i.e. they started as a single baby in the tube but after chaos scattered them they were split. They someow share a soul.

Okee, source? It's the first time I've heard of this.

iproxtaco wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Spartan 117 wrote:I've heard multiple times that the Alpha Legion had 2 primarchs. Anyone know the story behind it? And whats the deal with the Alpha Legion in the current 40k universe? I know they are traitors Im just wondering if there is any books about them or what not.

Apharius and Omegon are actually one person split in half by chaos, i.e. they started as a single baby in the tube but after chaos scattered them they were split. They someow share a soul.

Okee, source? It's the first time I've heard of this.

Index Astartes described them as "one soul in two bodies".

Why would the Emperor have two embryos in one unit (the twin would have devoloped at the very earliest stage)?

And the Chaos part is pure conjecture? I see.

BluntmanDC wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Spartan 117 wrote:I've heard multiple times that the Alpha Legion had 2 primarchs. Anyone know the story behind it? And whats the deal with the Alpha Legion in the current 40k universe? I know they are traitors Im just wondering if there is any books about them or what not.

Apharius and Omegon are actually one person split in half by chaos, i.e. they started as a single baby in the tube but after chaos scattered them they were split. They someow share a soul.

Okee, source? It's the first time I've heard of this.

Index Astartes described them as "one soul in two bodies".

Why would the Emperor have two embryos in one unit (the twin would have devoloped at the very earliest stage)?

One soul in two bodies could simply mean shared mind/purpose, I don't see that as evidence of "one person split in half by Chaos", but what you said being a lot of speculation IMHO.

I read up another sight that although the alpha legion is renegade chaos they feel like they are trying to save humanity in the long run. I didnt really understand but it really complicates my view of the Alpha Legion

It's kind of a rumour type of thing...
No one is really sure of their motivations since they don't really worship chaos all that much.

Yeah, as Purplefood said, we don't know pretty much anything solid about the Alpha Legions motivations; they may infact worship Chaos, they may be supporting the Imperium in some convoluted manner, they may be following some other mysterious group (beginning with a C maybe? ), they may just be killing for killing's sake, they may have another secret agenda or more likely they may be heading all over the galaxy collecting ingredients for some delicious cake... We don't know and that's what makes them awesome.

Bluntman's assumption isn't unlikely, I think. It is unlikely the Emperor would have put two embryos in one tube. Ergo, it's likely that they split after being taken. And we do know that Chaos was responsible for taking the Primarchs. So, it is likely that the split was caused by Chaos, whether intentionally or not. It is also likely that Chaos was responsible for many of the deformations and mutations that we see among the Primarchs, either as a deliberate action of the Ruinous Powers or as a side effect of their trans-galactic teleportation of the still-developing fetuses.

Just my opinion.

Just Dave wrote:Yeah, as Purplefood said, we don't know pretty much anything solid about the Alpha Legions motivations; they may infact worship Chaos, they may be supporting the Imperium in some convoluted manner, they may be following some other mysterious group (beginning with a C maybe? ), they may just be killing for killing's sake, they may have another secret agenda or more likely they may be heading all over the galaxy collecting ingredients for some delicious cake... We don't know and that's what makes them awesome.

Aww... That's it !
I could not agree more. No need to rack our brains too much on the Alpha Legion, it will always be very subjective.

If you take the lore of Legion as gospel, it tells you why the Alpha Legion turns traitor towards the end, and it fits in very well with their battlecry in their Index Astartes entry IMHO.

I don't want to post it here because of Spoilers.

Spareknikov wrote:If you take the lore of Legion as gospel, it tells you why the Alpha Legion turns traitor towards the end, and it fits in very well with their battlecry in their Index Astartes entry IMHO.

I don't want to post it here because of Spoilers.

Ah its okay
there is such a thing called
a spoiler alert... and read at your own risk!

Obviously, Horus failed. The current motivations of the Alpha Legion, their numbers, their structure, their resources, even whether their Primarch(s) are still alive or not is completely unknown. Did they stay true to their motivations during the Heresy? Have they fallen to Chaos? Are they still loyal? No one knows but them, and even then it may be different between warbands and cells. They well still be working together or otherwise.

DeadlySquirrel wrote:According to the Smurfs Robute killed Alpharius after the HH, but it is possibly... nay probable this was but a deception by the alpha legion.

Except according to the Ultramarines he did NOT. Alpharius is more than likely just fine and dandy.

Omegus wrote:

DeadlySquirrel wrote:According to the Smurfs Robute killed Alpharius after the HH, but it is possibly... nay probable this was but a deception by the alpha legion.

Except according to the Ultramarines he did NOT. Alpharius is more than likely just fine and dandy.

I bet the Alpha Legion were the Ultramarines that claimed Guiliman had killed Alpharius...

Novels are not canon, they are novels. Unless it is a resource/sourcebook directly related to the hobby, i.e contains either rules text or pictures of models etc, it is not canon merely a work inspired by the warhammer 40,000 wargame.