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Raulmichile wrote:

Omegus wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:

ChaosLordSam wrote:They are twins. Alpharius got killed.

If by Alpharius you mean Alpha Legion Grunt number 483, then yes. You are correct.

Close - it was #437!

I am #437.

skrulnik wrote:
The rulebooks are all written as if you were reading files from an Imperial computer, as far as the information and point of view they provide.

Uh no, when they are presented as files from an Imperial computer, they make it very clear with a distinct background and borders and various designations and prompts before the actual text. When you're just reading pure background text on the setting, you are being given factual information as an omniscient observer.

No, I am #437

Dammit, if you two are bickering about being #437, then why is #437 tattooed on the back of my neck along with bar codes?

King Pariah wrote:

Raulmichile wrote:

Omegus wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:

ChaosLordSam wrote:They are twins. Alpharius got killed.

If by Alpharius you mean Alpha Legion Grunt number 483, then yes. You are correct.

Close - it was #437!

I am #437.

skrulnik wrote:
The rulebooks are all written as if you were reading files from an Imperial computer, as far as the information and point of view they provide.

Uh no, when they are presented as files from an Imperial computer, they make it very clear with a distinct background and borders and various designations and prompts before the actual text. When you're just reading pure background text on the setting, you are being given factual information as an omniscient observer.

No, I am #437

Dammit, if you two are bickering about being #437, then why is #437 tattooed on the back of my neck along with bar codes?

uh oh, here we go again. Look, I can only scan ONE #437 through, so whos going to be it, and who is going to take one for the team and become #438 and #439? My shift ends in 15 mins, so hurry up!

They were brothers, Alpharius, and Omegus.

And both were #437 also

Jimsolo wrote:I don't think that the Alpha Legion sided with Horus in order to destroy Chaos. I think that they deliberately orchestrated events so that the Heresy would go down the way it did. Neither Horus nor the Emperor survived the Heresy, and so neither of the Cabal's predictions could come true. Both predictions were hingent on one of the two leaders surviving. I think the Alpha Legion wanted to take the third option, and give humanity a chance to fight for their own destiny. The rest of the novel sets up the Alpha Legion as the 'red-headed stepchild' of the legions. They didn't feel like they had any definable purpose (which is why they fought in such an enigmatic fashion, trying to forge their own purpose) and the Cabal's prophecy finally gave them meaning.

That, of course, is just my take on it.

Except the Cabal specifically said if the Emperor won, he would die causing the stagnation of the Imperium. So either the Alpha Legion caused a legion that should have turned to Chaos to remain in the Imperium, or the Cabal were in fact evil, and pulled the same trick on Alpharius that the gods did on Horus. They showed him one future. Who knows, maybe if the Alpha Legion hadn't listened to them, everything would have been fine and dandy.

Also, the Alpha Legion don't fake summoning daemons because they don't summon daemons at all. Until the newest codex came out, it wasn't even an option for them. They use cultists to do it for them, so technically, they are as untouched by Chaos as someone living in the Warp can be. Except that GK... but that's a bit overdone.

Durza wrote:Also, the Alpha Legion don't fake summoning daemons because they don't summon daemons at all. Until the newest codex came out, it wasn't even an option for them. They use cultists to do it for them, so technically, they are as untouched by Chaos as someone living in the Warp can be. Except that GK... but that's a bit overdone.

Alpha Legion don't live in the Warp, they operate deeper in Imperial space than any other Legion.

So it's necessary for them to travel through the Warp a lot to avoid detection. 'In regular contact with the Warp' would have been more accurate.

Durza wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:I don't think that the Alpha Legion sided with Horus in order to destroy Chaos. I think that they deliberately orchestrated events so that the Heresy would go down the way it did. Neither Horus nor the Emperor survived the Heresy, and so neither of the Cabal's predictions could come true. Both predictions were hingent on one of the two leaders surviving. I think the Alpha Legion wanted to take the third option, and give humanity a chance to fight for their own destiny. The rest of the novel sets up the Alpha Legion as the 'red-headed stepchild' of the legions. They didn't feel like they had any definable purpose (which is why they fought in such an enigmatic fashion, trying to forge their own purpose) and the Cabal's prophecy finally gave them meaning.

That, of course, is just my take on it.

Except the Cabal specifically said if the Emperor won, he would die causing the stagnation of the Imperium. So either the Alpha Legion caused a legion that should have turned to Chaos to remain in the Imperium, or the Cabal were in fact evil, and pulled the same trick on Alpharius that the gods did on Horus. They showed him one future. Who knows, maybe if the Alpha Legion hadn't listened to them, everything would have been fine and dandy.

Also, the Alpha Legion don't fake summoning daemons because they don't summon daemons at all. Until the newest codex came out, it wasn't even an option for them. They use cultists to do it for them, so technically, they are as untouched by Chaos as someone living in the Warp can be. Except that GK... but that's a bit overdone.

You have to remember, we have no idea what the Legion's motivations are, whether they really believe the Cabal or not and what exactly they are up to, how they hope to accomplish it, and how they react when... things turn out like they did.

Durza wrote:So it's necessary for them to travel through the Warp a lot to avoid detection. 'In regular contact with the Warp' would have been more accurate.

Not much more so than any other chapter though. Warp travel is how anyone in the Imperium gets anywhere.

There are two facts I know for certan about the Alpha Legion:

If it looks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck, Smells like a Duck; It is an Alpha Legionary.

And

Chances are, the only person in the room that says they are not Alpharius is indeed, Alpharius.

tarvos wrote:There are two facts I know for certan about the Alpha Legion:

If it looks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck, Smells like a Duck; It is an Alpha Legionary.

You should probably credit the original person that said this, whom IIRC was Brother Heinrick.

Alpharius wrote:You have to remember, we have no idea what the Legion's motivations are, whether they really believe the Cabal or not and what exactly they are up to, how they hope to accomplish it, and how they react when... things turn out like they did.

It's also foolish to assume the same goal for a Legion that emphasizes dissemination of command and independent splinter groups of operatives. Their motivations are probably all of the above, depending on which Legionnaire you ask.

In Legion, it did seem like the entire Alpha Legion knew what Alpharius' plans were, but they wouldn't tell them to outsiders any time soon.

Durza wrote:In Legion, it did seem like the entire Alpha Legion knew what Alpharius' plans were, but they wouldn't tell them to outsiders any time soon.

Exactly. This is pivital in understanding the Alpha Legion I think. I honestly believe that this is almost a sign that Alpharius is quite still alive and giving orders as to tell his Marines not to say anything of plans to outsiders. But man I love the fluff of the Alpha Legion!

Even if Alpharius did die, they've still got a primarch, which makes them one of the few to still have an active one.

In the First Heretic it hints that Alpharius & Omegon dont have a home world as they came to rest on a spaceship. Who's?

On a second interesting note, the cabal contained an Eldar, which they both met and yet said nothing. Other legions had met and fought Eldar so they must have been aware of what the Eldar were and yet nothing was said.

There is a bucket load of their past yet to be revealed which would certainly shed light on their likely motivations.

Alpha and Omega are the first and last letters of the Greek Alphabet, so Alpharius and Omegon is the 'the First and the Last' very poetic!

Does this hold more meaning? Are they the beginning and the End of something or the beginning and end of a circle of fate/time perhaps?

On a final note, if they share one soul, one could die yet the 'whole' would still exist. So could Omegon have been designed be a host for someone, a spare body if you will or a backup plan. Now who in the 40k universe could possibly need a new primarch sized body.......

Alpharius wrote:

Veldrain wrote:There is also a short that features them in "Victories of the space marines". It shows their planning and deceit pretty well.

Sadly, the story there fits better in the background from before LEGION.

It makes little sense since LEGION.

But then, so does THE HUNT FOR VOLDORIUS.

I swear, it is almost as if BL writers don't read other books set in the 40K galaxy - and I guess that's OK (not wishing to be unduly 'influenced'), but could they at least ready the plot synopsis?

Or maybe an editor could help them out?

Glad im not the only one to notice how legion conflicts with the other books.

I've been meaning to re read it, but iirc doesn't alpha legion get told if they join horus then he will win? What happened there?

The hope was Horus wouldn't die, would feel guilty, and declare war on the other Chaos legions after the Imperium was destroyed, killing the Chaos gods in the process.