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So then there are atleast some then that do the whole chaos shindig then.
Hmmm.
Could possibly the alpha legion potentionally split in two at some point down along the line then? All of those that want to save humanity follow one of the primarchs (Say Alpharius) and the chaos worshipping ones follow omegon and then they clash in a split legion war, sort of like the Dark Angels and The Fallen?

[quote=Jimsolo If I'm wrong, it meanst that the Alpha Legion threw in with Horus in order to cause Horus to win the Heresy and destroy Chaos. But once Horus lost, that whole plan went out the window, so why are they still fighting the Imperium?

DarknessEternal wrote:

TheTaurans wrote:So since we dont know really if they are chaos worshippers or not

We do know that many of them definitely are. We have 3 decades of background material describing their daemonic pacts, worship, and rituals.

You can't fake summoning daemons.

Also in the Choas Space Marine Codex the pictures of the Alpha Legion Marines do have horns and what not.


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But I sure love their fluff though> If I had the money and I wasnt a poor college student............ I'd easily start an Alpha Legion army. The conversion oppurtunties are out the door.

Their fluff is so complicated that i can be taken in so many ways. Thats why the Alpha Legion is my favorite Chaos legion.

Perkustin wrote:Novels are not canon, they are novels. Unless it is a resource/sourcebook directly related to the hobby, i.e contains either rules text or pictures of models etc, it is not canon merely a work inspired by the warhammer 40,000 wargame.

On the old BL forums they said multiple times even with GW workers that patrolled the forum anything written by BL or GW is in fact cannon or fluff. You just take everything with a grain of salt because it is all written from one faction's view point. So humanity will look epic and destroy everyone in their path, while chaos will see the galaxy burn ect.

The point of Legion is very much the line 'For the Emperor'. That's why they did what they did, not for humanity or anything else.

Whether they still are trying to accomplish that goal after 10,000 years is pretty unlikely.

-Loki- wrote:The point of Legion is very much the line 'For the Emperor'. That's why they did what they did, not for humanity or anything else.

Whether they still are trying to accomplish that goal after 10,000 years is pretty unlikely.

Great statement! This is exactly how I see the Alpha Legion.

Spartan 117 wrote:

-Loki- wrote:The point of Legion is very much the line 'For the Emperor'. That's why they did what they did, not for humanity or anything else.

Whether they still are trying to accomplish that goal after 10,000 years is pretty unlikely.

Great statement! This is exactly how I see the Alpha Legion.

Ah, yes and no - I think that "For the Emperor!" does NOT exclude Humanity, though at this point in time it might exclude the Imperium.

Alpharius wrote:

Spartan 117 wrote:

-Loki- wrote:The point of Legion is very much the line 'For the Emperor'. That's why they did what they did, not for humanity or anything else.

Whether they still are trying to accomplish that goal after 10,000 years is pretty unlikely.

Great statement! This is exactly how I see the Alpha Legion.

Ah, yes and no - I think that "For the Emperor!" does NOT exclude Humanity, though at this point in time it might exclude the Imperium.

If it excludes the Imperium then who do you think it is? Also Alpharius do you play Alpha Legion? Just wondering.

What I mean by that is that "For the Emperor!" means just that, support for the Emperor and whatever it is the Legion thinks he would want for Humanity - which I believe is something quite different than what the Imperium is doing currently, both in regards to the overall plan for Humanity, and how it has set the Emperor up as a God.

And yes, I do play Alpha Legion - it would be more than a little funny if I didn't, I think!

Yeah, that whole Voldorius thing was clearly about how Alpha Legion is celebrating humanity...

-Loki- wrote:The point of Legion is very much the line 'For the Emperor'. That's why they did what they did, not for humanity or anything else.

Whether they still are trying to accomplish that goal after 10,000 years is pretty unlikely.

Given the choices the Cabal described, it's pretty clear that while the Alpha Legion might be fighting for what they consider to be the Emperor's goals, but they are definitely not fighting for the betterment of humanity. That's assuming that they're still sticking with the original plan.

DarknessEternal wrote:Yeah, that whole Voldorius thing was clearly about how Alpha Legion is celebrating humanity...

If you've paid attention to any of the many posts I've made on this subject, this is indeed a sore spot with me in that many of the BL writers apparently haven't gotten the memo about the Legion after LEGION.

Or, we're going to get a "Night Lords" explanation of "Some are still doing the original plan and some are Baby to Forehead Stapling Stereotypical Mustache Twirling Black Hat Wearing Villains".

daveNYC wrote:

-Loki- wrote:The point of Legion is very much the line 'For the Emperor'. That's why they did what they did, not for humanity or anything else.

Whether they still are trying to accomplish that goal after 10,000 years is pretty unlikely.

Given the choices the Cabal described, it's pretty clear that while the Alpha Legion might be fighting for what they consider to be the Emperor's goals, but they are definitely not fighting for the betterment of humanity. That's assuming that they're still sticking with the original plan.

Without a proper sequel to LEGION, were not left with a lot to work with in terms of figuring any of this out.

Sorry for not remembering the source where i read this, but, i clearly remember a line saying how even though the Alpha Legion would attack Imperial positions that the area would soon become much stronger because of it.

To me that says that they find weak areas of humanity, point out that weakness, then let humanity change for the better.

DarknessEternal wrote:Yeah, that whole Voldorius thing was clearly about how Alpha Legion is celebrating humanity...

For all we know Voldorius could of gone insane and lost sight of the mission or he was a newer recruit that hadn't gone through the training because clearly he didn't care about his soldiers. Which Alpha Legionaries care for eachother in that if their brother dies that just means they get a promotion!

Alpharius wrote:
Or, we're going to get a "Night Lords" explanation of "Some are still doing the original plan and some are Baby to Forehead Stapling Stereotypical Mustache Twirling Black Hat Wearing Villains".

Night Lords divisions was already resolved in the Soul Hunter series.

There is yet to be modern setting work that depicts Alpha Legion as anything but baby-raping monsters.

Yeah, that's exactly my point.

So, you don't see the disconnect?

Even though we have further evidence post-LEGION (maybe) of the Legion acting in ways that would be more beneficial to the Emperor than to Horus?

Alpharius wrote:Yeah, that's exactly my point.

So, you don't see the disconnect?

Even though we have further evidence post-LEGION (maybe) of the Legion acting in ways that would be more beneficial to the Emperor than to Horus?

Thats whats so awesome about the Alpha Legions fluff though is that it can be taken in many different ways.

You know what, you're right - good point!

(Though I still hope for a sequel to LEGION, an explanation about why things are as they are 'now', and some internal consistency from BL concerning them too...!)

What Night Lords plan are you guys referring to? From the HH audiobooks, Curze is painted as a violent psychopath that gets off on freaking people out and decided that the Imperium's views do not mesh with his own long before Horus went traitor.

That many Night Lords, including the Night Haunter, oppose Chaos. They're still evil, dickbags, but they don't think you should be friends with daemons.

Another faction thinks daemons are peachy.

Are their any other Chaos factions that think Daemons are peachy besides the Night Lords and Alpha Legion? I thought the Iron Warriors maybe? But I'm really unsure about that.

Spartan 117 wrote:Are their any other Chaos factions that think Daemons are peachy besides the Night Lords and Alpha Legion? I thought the Iron Warriors maybe? But I'm really unsure about that.

I'm not sure what you mean here...

Some faction of the Night Lords are not big fans of Daemons, but I think all will use them to further their own aims.

Same for Alpha Legion, maybe?

Iron Warriors don't have problems with daemons at all...

I was wondering what Chaos factions dont really use daemons all too much

Spartan 117 wrote:I was wondering what Chaos factions dont really use daemons all too much

Alpha Legion, Night Lords, Iron Warriors.

Iron Warriors use zero daemons ever. They use daemon engines however.
Alpha Legion sometimes summon daemons through cultists.
Night Lords sometimes employ furies.

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ChaosLordSam wrote:They are twins. Alpharius got killed.

If by Alpharius you mean Alpha Legion Grunt number 483, then yes. You are correct.

coolyo294 wrote:

ChaosLordSam wrote:They are twins. Alpharius got killed.

If by Alpharius you mean Alpha Legion Grunt number 483, then yes. You are correct.

Close - it was #437!

Perkustin wrote:What irritates me is that the WHOLE of the index astartes article is NOT Alpha legion fabrication, two parts of it were: the origin of Alpharius (for whatever reason) and the Death of Alpharius (Just in case). The rest was written by the same omniscient narrator who writes the rest of the CANON fluff for all armies.

What omniscient narrator?
The rulebooks are all written as if you were reading files from an Imperial computer, as far as the information and point of view they provide.
Have you never noticed how each army book presents that race as the greatest heroes of, or threat to the Imperium?
They are all Imperium-centric.

With that POV, there is plenty of room for inconsistency and contradiction between just the rulebooks, as well as with the novels.
This applies to the entire 40k universe, and doubly to the Alpha legion.

Any info we have is equally likely to be canon or apocryphal.

Alpharius wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:

ChaosLordSam wrote:They are twins. Alpharius got killed.

If by Alpharius you mean Alpha Legion Grunt number 483, then yes. You are correct.

Close - it was #437!

I am #437.

skrulnik wrote:
The rulebooks are all written as if you were reading files from an Imperial computer, as far as the information and point of view they provide.

Uh no, when they are presented as files from an Imperial computer, they make it very clear with a distinct background and borders and various designations and prompts before the actual text. When you're just reading pure background text on the setting, you are being given factual information as an omniscient observer.

Omegus wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:

ChaosLordSam wrote:They are twins. Alpharius got killed.

If by Alpharius you mean Alpha Legion Grunt number 483, then yes. You are correct.

Close - it was #437!

I am #437.

skrulnik wrote:
The rulebooks are all written as if you were reading files from an Imperial computer, as far as the information and point of view they provide.

Uh no, when they are presented as files from an Imperial computer, they make it very clear with a distinct background and borders and various designations and prompts before the actual text. When you're just reading pure background text on the setting, you are being given factual information as an omniscient observer.

No, I am #437