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chaos0xomega wrote:3d printers of that caliber are still at least a decade away... then there is the fact that the software costs thousands of dollars (and thats something that hasn't changed at all over the years, if anything the software is getting more expensive) and the materials for said printers are only really available in large bulk quantities (and is thus getting more expensive) and yeah... I dont think GW is going to be screwed...

The printers are getting better all the time. The software will get cheaper when the product sees mass adoption, or it will be made available for free the same as any industry grade software like autocad is. The materials are also going to be cheap enough that a knock off company can start cranking out whatever they please and undercutting GW's prices. Then you get to the point where smaller amounts can be found in an office depot as the tech keeps getting better and better.

Pointless thread is pointless.

Carrying on a conversation from a locked thread is pointless now?

Well, none of the things you have proposed have occurred yet, and I have my doubts that they will occur in the near future, especially in regards to the software which is becoming increasingly expensive as their possible applications increase. These products will never see mass adoption while the average person has no idea how to use the software, and considering the learning curve inherent to said software, I dont think it will happen.

The thread is not pointless, as it raises an interesting point. If 3D printing of counterfeit models became readily available (say, as readily available as pirated codices), would that impact GW's bottom line? Undoubtedly, and probably more severely than books (which are a miniscule fraction of their revenue). Already many people exclusively obtain their models from second-hand markets, such as bartertown or ebay.

I doubt it would drive them out of business entirely, but one would hope it would drive them to open an Economics 101 textbook and realize that their policies are driving them into the gutter. Hell, it may not even take 3D printing to do that. They managed to stay in the black by trimming the fat from their retail operations, but short of closing the stores down entirely, there isn't much fat left to trim. Despite their internal memos and pep-talks claiming that they have a price-resistant demand for their products, the actual numbers from their quarterly reports show that the volume of sales is slipping at a precipitous rate.

And the cost of software is the smallest impediment to this. Anyone considering pirating models wouldn't balk at pirating software.

chaos0xomega wrote:Well, none of the things you have proposed have occurred yet, and I have my doubts that they will occur in the near future, especially in regards to the software which is becoming increasingly expensive as their possible applications increase. These products will never see mass adoption while the average person has no idea how to use the software, and considering the learning curve inherent to said software, I dont think it will happen.

Just like people will never print high quality photographs at home right? Small business are using this tech already, it's getting cheaper and the software can be as easy to use as it wants to be. A product that allows people to order a design and print it at home would sell well, it would also be prefect for pirates.


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Omegus wrote:The thread is not pointless, as it raises an interesting point. If 3D printing of counterfeit models became readily available (say, as readily available as pirated codices), would that impact GW's bottom line? Undoubtedly, and probably more severely than books (which are a miniscule fraction of their revenue). Already many people exclusively obtain their models from second-hand markets, such as bartertown or ebay.

I doubt it would drive them out of business entirely, but one would hope it would drive them to open an Economics 101 textbook and realize that their policies are driving them into the gutter. Hell, it may not even take 3D printing to do that. They managed to stay in the black by trimming the fat from their retail operations, but short of closing the stores down entirely, there isn't much fat left to trim. Despite their internal memos and pep-talks claiming that they have a price-resistant demand for their products, the actual numbers from their quarterly reports show that the volume of sales is slipping at a precipitous rate.

And the cost of software is the smallest impediment to this. Anyone considering pirating models wouldn't balk at pirating software.

Yup, or they buy one army and proxy it, or they play via Vassal for free. With a codex that can be found for free and GW never sees a red cent.

Haha, GW staying afloat. They have nice enough models, but other companies are charging less and catching up fast. Their rules are hohum at best, their customer support couldn't hold up a house of cards, and their prices are forcing people away. Internal memos also show they encourage guilting school aged kids into buying armies to beat the store army. Pressure them to keep playing, and generally try to milk them for as much money as they can before leaving them out in the cold and squeezing blood from the next stone to cross their path.

So let's go ahead and support re-casting and violating copyrites. there is a great idea.

Commisar Wolfie wrote:So let's go ahead and support re-casting and violating copyrites. there is a great idea.

I already do support it. I haven't payed for movies, most PC games, cable, or PPV sporting events in years. If I could recast things on the cheap I would do so and if I had a hand scanner a few books I own would be easier to torrent by now.

Canadian 5th wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:3d printers of that caliber are still at least a decade away... then there is the fact that the software costs thousands of dollars (and thats something that hasn't changed at all over the years, if anything the software is getting more expensive) and the materials for said printers are only really available in large bulk quantities (and is thus getting more expensive) and yeah... I dont think GW is going to be screwed...

The printers are getting better all the time. The software will get cheaper when the product sees mass adoption, or it will be made available for free the same as any industry grade software like autocad is. The materials are also going to be cheap enough that a knock off company can start cranking out whatever they please and undercutting GW's prices. Then you get to the point where smaller amounts can be found in an office depot as the tech keeps getting better and better.

Oh, and lock happy mods should prove their assertions.

Awesome I wanted to say something on the subject but the other thread was locked. 3d printer are getting more affordable running around 3000 to 5000 dollars. Im sure they will be affordable within 10 years. If anything I would think this would help GW and other companies in the sense that it could reduce their costs. 3d printers would virtually eliminate mistakes from casting. It would also open new possibilities as models could be designed in a computer, speeding up development time and opening up the market to more people who may want to make their own game systems or custom models.

It is possible that people will use the tech to make counterfiet goods but I think 3d printers that can handle the intricate detail a firgure would take will take longer to get into homes than more basic ones. However when they do it opens up new possibilities to players for custom weapons and such and it also means that GW could start selling Blueprints to bits online (possibly with a limited number of runs) that can be printed at home or at kinkos or soemthing. I think if it does start happening it shouldnt be a problem. Most people who pirate cd's and movies wouldnt buy the stuff if they couldnt pirate it. As long as the company provides their product at a fair price and make it accesable most people have no problem spending money to support them


Anyway What im looking forward to is a good cd chocolate printer liek this one http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/08/3d-chocolate-printer_n_893381.html

Wouldnt it be great to have a chocolate copy of your army for a brthday party or something ^_^

Clearly you've never used a 3d printer...

Those 3000-5000 dollar printers will never give you a good enough print to actually have a nice 28mm model. If you tried using a mini printed on one of those machines in a game, chances are someone could call you out on it from 10 feet away.

Mistake wise, the only printers that would 'eliminate' mistakes from casting are those that require no post processing because they are so accurate/precise that there is no noticeable stair-stepping. These printers cost 6 figures minimum. The printer that the average american could afford to own in 10 years time will require significant amounts of sanding/polishing following printing in order to get a clean/usable/paintable appearance. Not only that, but a print takes hours. Noone is going to be printing entire armies on that. We're still going to be using traditional molding and casting methods to mass produce figs.

Printing tech is already being used by people that want to start their own game systems etc. myself included. But you don't need your own printer to do that.

mmmmmmm my own chocolate army would be great.

chaos0xomega wrote:Clearly you've never used a 3d printer...

Those 3000-5000 dollar printers will never give you a good enough print to actually have a nice 28mm model. If you tried using a mini printed on one of those machines in a game, chances are someone could call you out on it from 10 feet away.

Mistake wise, the only printers that would 'eliminate' mistakes from casting are those that require no post processing because they are so accurate/precise that there is no noticeable stair-stepping. These printers cost 6 figures minimum. The printer that the average american could afford to own in 10 years time will require significant amounts of sanding/polishing following printing in order to get a clean/usable/paintable appearance. Not only that, but a print takes hours. Noone is going to be printing entire armies on that. We're still going to be using traditional molding and casting methods to mass produce figs.

Printing tech is already being used by people that want to start their own game systems etc. myself included. But you don't need your own printer to do that.

I didnt say you could use a current gen 3d printer to print figs I just said they are becoming more affordable and in the future as tech progresses they could replace the casting process

Commisar Wolfie wrote:mmmmmmm my own chocolate army would be great.

Now that is one miniature material you can guarantee will melt in a hot car.

Canadian 5th wrote:
I already do support it. I haven't payed for movies, most PC games, cable, or PPV sporting events in years. If I could recast things on the cheap I would do so and if I had a hand scanner a few books I own would be easier to torrent by now.

I don't know enough about 3D printing technology to really comment on that, however I DO have a comment to make about this.

You think it's 'ok' to just do this? You don't think that it's wrong to just take the intellectual property of someone else? Do you think your somehow ENTITLED to free entertainment?

Maybe it's just cause I'm an aspiring author, but people like that--the people who think that they deserve the fruit of others labor without any cost to themselves--disgust me. I'd implore you to have empathy. How would you feel if you pore your heart and soul into a piece of work and then people come up and just take it from you without even compensating you for it? And then they have the GALL to tell you that they somehow deserve access to your work for free.

Disgusting.

ChrisWWII wrote:

Canadian 5th wrote:
I already do support it. I haven't payed for movies, most PC games, cable, or PPV sporting events in years. If I could recast things on the cheap I would do so and if I had a hand scanner a few books I own would be easier to torrent by now.

I don't know enough about 3D printing technology to really comment on that, however I DO have a comment to make about this.

You think it's 'ok' to just do this? You don't think that it's wrong to just take the intellectual property of someone else? Do you think your somehow ENTITLED to free entertainment?

Maybe it's just cause I'm an aspiring author, but people like that--the people who think that they deserve the fruit of others labor without any cost to themselves--disgust me. I'd implore you to have empathy. How would you feel if you pore your heart and soul into a piece of work and then people come up and just take it from you without even compensating you for it? And then they have the GALL to tell you that they somehow deserve access to your work for free.

Disgusting.

Sorry if I don't think that people who make movies deserve to make millions because they can act. I've seen plenty of good stuff for free on youtube and other sites. Same with fiction, people will write it for free. Same with music. Same with game systems and rules. If people can't adapt to the internet, they will fail.

Canadian 5th wrote:Sorry if I don't think that people who make movies deserve to make millions because they can act.

They're selling a product, just like everyone else. They make millions from it because enough people want that product. If you don't want to pay for that product, that's up to you... you certainly don't need it.

I've seen plenty of good stuff for free on youtube and other sites. Same with fiction, people will write it for free. Same with music. Same with game systems and rules. If people can't adapt to the internet, they will fail.

The fact that some people choose to create these things for free doesn't mean that you should be entitled to take whatever you want for free, though. It's their choice whether to sell what they create or give it away.

Canadian 5th wrote:

Sorry if I don't think that people who make movies deserve to make millions because they can act. I've seen plenty of good stuff for free on youtube and other sites. Same with fiction, people will write it for free. Same with music. Same with game systems and rules. If people can't adapt to the internet, they will fail.

They may be overpaid, but don't you think they deserve to be paid? Surely I can apply your logic to anything. "Oh, we don't nee dto give money to mechanics, plumbers and electricians! They only know how to keep our homes and cars working."

People deserve compesnsation for their work. You have no right to say that they don't deserve money for their work.

If I pour my heart and soul into a piece of fiction, I will be PISSED if I see someone steal it. I worked hard, and I deserve payment for my work. You have no right to come up to me, steal my work and then tell me that you don't need to pay me for it.

Having talked to fanfic authors everywhere, lots of them WANT to make it big. They want to get a big book deal. Same with musicians, they're paying that they get 'discvoered' and get paid. People want compensation. It's the same reason why communism doesn't work.

Let me also echo what Insaniak said. Movies and entertainment aren't required services. If you don't want to pay the prices the markets given then suck it up and deal with it. If you want a car, but don't want to pay you don't go and steal it. What's the difference between that and stealing someone's intellectual property?

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Canadian 5th wrote:Sorry if I don't think that people who make movies deserve to make millions because they can act.

They're selling a product, just like everyone else. They make millions from it because enough people want that product. If you don't want to pay for that product, that's up to you... you certainly don't need it.

Great, they don't get my money, I get their product. We all win!

I've seen plenty of good stuff for free on youtube and other sites. Same with fiction, people will write it for free. Same with music. Same with game systems and rules. If people can't adapt to the internet, they will fail.

The fact that some people choose to create these things for free doesn't mean that you should be entitled to take whatever you want for free, though. It's their choice whether to sell what they create or give it away.

If they had a choice piracy wouldn't be an issue would it?


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ChrisWWII wrote:

Canadian 5th wrote:

Sorry if I don't think that people who make movies deserve to make millions because they can act. I've seen plenty of good stuff for free on youtube and other sites. Same with fiction, people will write it for free. Same with music. Same with game systems and rules. If people can't adapt to the internet, they will fail.

They may be overpaid, but don't you think they deserve to be paid? Surely I can apply your logic to anything. "Oh, we don't nee dto give money to mechanics, plumbers and electricians! They only know how to keep our homes and cars working."

Essential service versus entertainment. False dilemma much?

People deserve compesnsation for their work. You have no right to say that they don't deserve money for their work.

If I pour my heart and soul into a piece of fiction, I will be PISSED if I see someone steal it. I worked hard, and I deserve payment for my work. You have no right to come up to me, steal my work and then tell me that you don't need to pay me for it.

I guess I do actually. Unless you think you can stop piracy from growing?

Having talked to fanfic authors everywhere, lots of them WANT to make it big. They want to get a big book deal. Same with musicians, they're paying that they get 'discvoered' and get paid. People want compensation. It's the same reason why communism doesn't work.

Oh, another anticommunism rant... Communism failed because central planning, when run poorly, has issues compared to the free market. Also, it has really only been tried in weak economies thus far.

Let me also echo what Insaniak said. Movies and entertainment aren't required services. If you don't want to pay the prices the markets given then suck it up and deal with it. If you want a car, but don't want to pay you don't go and steal it. What's the difference between that and stealing someone's intellectual property?

If I take your book you still have the manuscript and can still make money off the rubes who think it's worth paying for. If I steal your car, you don't have a car.

ChrisWWII wrote:

If I pour my heart and soul into a piece of fiction, I will be PISSED if I see someone steal it. I worked hard, and I deserve payment for my work. You have no right to come up to me, steal my work and then tell me that you don't need to pay me for it.

Do you write a piece of fiction to make money from it, or just expecting to make money from it?

Canadian 5th wrote:
Great, they don't get my money, I get their product. We all win!

Now, some one loses out because you've just stolen their product. You've won at their expense.

If they had a choice piracy wouldn't be an issue would it?

They have a choice, and lots choose to get money instead of just giving away their product for free. It's the same reason why communism doesn't work--people want money and compensation for their work.

Explain why you have the right to steal from other hard working people. And then explain why it only applies to intellectual property. If you think it's 'alright' for you to get someones product with no compensation, explain why it's not moral for me to go to your house and steal your stuff? I want it. ANd I'm not willing to pay you for it. So I should just be entitled to your stuff no?


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Nerivant wrote:Do you write a piece of fiction to make money from it, or just expecting to make money from it?

I love writing, and I want to make money off of it if possible.

Canadian 5th wrote:
Essential service versus entertainment. False dilemma much?

So? It's all a service someone is providing, and you seem to believe that you're allowed to steal someones service without paying them for it.

I guess I do actually. Unless you think you can stop piracy from growing?

Who knows if I can stop it or not? I can however stand here and say how immoral you are, and tell you how disgusting I find your beliefs.

Oh, another anticommunism rant... Communism failed because central planning, when run poorly, has issues compared to the free market. Also, it has really only been tried in weak economies thus far.

The point remains. COmmunism failed horribly, and if you look at the Soviet economy you will see that the Soviet people were clamoring to get their hands on black market ANYTHING.

If I take your book you still have the manuscript and can still make money off the rubes who think it's worth paying for. If I steal your car, you don't have a car.

But I didn't get money from you. And if everyone did it then I don't get money from anyone. Piracy is as its always been, parasitic. Leeching off the success of others. It's fundamentally unsupporting.

Besides, a car isn't required. I can live withour a car, just as I can live without my book. It's just immoral for you to steal either.

Canadian 5th wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Canadian 5th wrote:Sorry if I don't think that people who make movies deserve to make millions because they can act.

They're selling a product, just like everyone else. They make millions from it because enough people want that product. If you don't want to pay for that product, that's up to you... you certainly don't need it.

Great, they don't get my money, I get their product. We all win!

Until they go under and stop producing product... Sure in this example you can keep printing off new product, but you'll have to say goodbye to new rules, new minis, etc. Have fun playing 7th edition 40k for the rest of your life when about 1/3 of the armies are still using 6th edition codecies and about 1/4 are using 5th edition codecies...

I believe piracy is alright in moderation, I.E. I pay for something when I feel it is worth paying for. I have pirated over 10000 songs, in large part because I am OCD and want entire discography collections even if I only really want 1 or 2 songs... but I have also purchased about 1000 songs legally, because I thought the albums in question were worth purchasing or that I listened to the songs in question enough to warrant it. I usually end up torrenting every rulebook, including for games I don't play, because I otherwise would not pay for them. If I start a game system or a new army, i buy the books relevant to that system because I will be using them. The money I saved by not purchasing those rulebooks is used to purchase models for said rulesets, more often than not at full retail price at my FLGS. With the exception of Imperial Armour 3 (and the upcoming Imperial Armour 11) I never purchase Forgeworld books, because I do not feel they are worth paying for (not at those prices at least), and I generally don't purchase FW models, because I generally do not feel the minis are worth paying for.

Canadian 5th wrote:

They may be overpaid, but don't you think they deserve to be paid? Surely I can apply your logic to anything. "Oh, we don't nee dto give money to mechanics, plumbers and electricians! They only know how to keep our homes and cars working."

Essential service versus entertainment. False dilemma much?

But that's exactly the point. You're sitting there proudly proclaiming that you think it's perfectly acceptable for you to steal somethign that you don't want to pay for... when it's something that you don't even need.

If it was something essential that you were stealing, because you legitimately couldn't afford it, then at least you have some sort of justification beyond 'I wants it, so I should be allowed to have it...'

Canadian 5th wrote:Essential service versus entertainment. False dilemma much?

So, if I stole your TV you'd be fine with it?

Or how about if I skim your credit cards? Same result (you losing money); I'm just cutting out the middle man.

Commisar Wolfie wrote:mmmmmmm my own chocolate army would be great.

You can eat the models as they are killed! Of course, diabetes rates would skyrocket even further and our teeth would get as bad as the Brits'.

General Seric wrote:Now that is one miniature material you can guarantee will melt in a hot car.

Yet still more durable than Finecast?

ChrisWWII wrote:You think it's 'ok' to just do this? You don't think that it's wrong to just take the intellectual property of someone else? Do you think your somehow ENTITLED to free entertainment?

To be honest, I haven't believed in the concept of intellectual property since they extended copyright laws just so Disney could keep making money off of Mickey Mouse.

chaos0xomega wrote:Until they go under and stop producing product... Sure in this example you can keep printing off new product, but you'll have to say goodbye to new rules, new minis, etc. Have fun playing 7th edition 40k for the rest of your life when about 1/3 of the armies are still using 6th edition codecies and about 1/4 are using 5th edition codecies...

Yes, that's so much worse than now. /sarcasm

GW deserves to go under. 40K would survive without them.

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Canadian 5th wrote:
Great, they don't get my money, I get their product. We all win!

Now, some one loses out because you've just stolen their product. You've won at their expense.

I still won didn't I?

They have a choice, and lots choose to get money instead of just giving away their product for free. It's the same reason why communism doesn't work--people want money and compensation for their work.

Explain why you have the right to steal from other hard working people. And then explain why it only applies to intellectual property. If you think it's 'alright' for you to get someones product with no compensation, explain why it's not moral for me to go to your house and steal your stuff? I want it. ANd I'm not willing to pay you for it. So I should just be entitled to your stuff no?

You get compensated for your work in communism. Just not in money.

If I copy your IP you still have it, if I steal a car you have no car. See the difference?

So? It's all a service someone is providing, and you seem to believe that you're allowed to steal someones service without paying them for it.

If I could pirate a car manual and do the repairs myself I would. If I could get a friend to help me with plumbing for less money than a pro I would.

Who knows if I can stop it or not? I can however stand here and say how immoral you are, and tell you how disgusting I find your beliefs.

Wow, your words pain me so much... Not.

The point remains. COmmunism failed horribly, and if you look at the Soviet economy you will see that the Soviet people were clamoring to get their hands on black market ANYTHING.

So dictatorship now = communism? The USSR was very repressive and that lead to its downfall. They also spent a massive part of their GDP on the military.

But I didn't get money from you. And if everyone did it then I don't get money from anyone. Piracy is as its always been, parasitic. Leeching off the success of others. It's fundamentally unsupporting.

Besides, a car isn't required. I can live withour a car, just as I can live without my book. It's just immoral for you to steal either.

I haven't stolen your book, you still have the book. The print run isn't missing anything. You just don't get money for something I wouldn't have paid for anyway.


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insaniak wrote:

Canadian 5th wrote:

They may be overpaid, but don't you think they deserve to be paid? Surely I can apply your logic to anything. "Oh, we don't nee dto give money to mechanics, plumbers and electricians! They only know how to keep our homes and cars working."

Essential service versus entertainment. False dilemma much?

But that's exactly the point. You're sitting there proudly proclaiming that you think it's perfectly acceptable for you to steal somethign that you don't want to pay for... when it's something that you don't even need.

If it was something essential that you were stealing, because you legitimately couldn't afford it, then at least you have some sort of justification beyond 'I wants it, so I should be allowed to have it...'

When you can stop me, then I'll stop.


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Canadian 5th wrote:Essential service versus entertainment. False dilemma much?

So, if I stole your TV you'd be fine with it?

Or how about if I skim your credit cards? Same result (you losing money); I'm just cutting out the middle man.

Nope, that's a false dilemma. By pirating I get something for free, that something might not be something I would have bought anyway so you don't lose money on something I wouldn't have bought anyway.

Hells yeah! Fight the power! feth the Man!

No, it really wouldn't. GW goes under and the inflow of new players will decrease to virtually zero. A large chunk, near 100%, of the newer players at the time of GWs demise would cut their losses and jump ship immediately. All that will be left are the players who have been around for a couple years and the veterans. Within 2 years the couple year group will move on to games that are still being supported, as will the vets. The difference is that the vets will break the game out every once in a while at a convention for nostalgia purposes and the couple year group won't.

I have played several games over the years that have gone under, and this is the pattern that they have always followed. Don't let the seemingly large size of the GW hobby mislead you. If GW had a half way decent game system that was designed to last, this wouldn't be the case, but given its engineered obsolescence its not going to last, because it was never meant to last.

Canadian 5th wrote:...that something might not be something I would have bought anyway so you don't lose money on something I wouldn't have bought anyway.

By the same logic, you might not have used your TV, so you're not losing anything when he takes it...

chaos0xomega wrote:No, it really wouldn't. GW goes under and the inflow of new players will decrease to virtually zero. A large chunk, near 100%, of the newer players at the time of GWs demise would cut their losses and jump ship immediately. All that will be left are the players who have been around for a couple years and the veterans. Within 2 years the couple year group will move on to games that are still being supported, as will the vets. The difference is that the vets will break the game out every once in a while at a convention for nostalgia purposes and the couple year group won't.

I have played several games over the years that have gone under, and this is the pattern that they have always followed. Don't let the seemingly large size of the GW hobby mislead you. If GW had a half way decent game system that was designed to last, this wouldn't be the case, but given its engineered obsolescence its not going to last, because it was never meant to last.

I'm prepared for that eventuality. My armor is contempt, my sword is hatred, and the bitterness from which stem both is boundless.

chaos0xomega wrote:No, it really wouldn't. GW goes under and the inflow of new players will decrease to virtually zero. A large chunk, near 100%, of the newer players at the time of GWs demise would cut their losses and jump ship immediately. All that will be left are the players who have been around for a couple years and the veterans. Within 2 years the couple year group will move on to games that are still being supported, as will the vets. The difference is that the vets will break the game out every once in a while at a convention for nostalgia purposes and the couple year group won't.

I have played several games over the years that have gone under, and this is the pattern that they have always followed. Don't let the seemingly large size of the GW hobby mislead you. If GW had a half way decent game system that was designed to last, this wouldn't be the case, but given its engineered obsolescence its not going to last, because it was never meant to last.

Except that free to play games actually work better than pay to play games. Games like Warhammer online have made more money in free to play mode than elsewhere. GW could capture that market with special materials or even more detailed models that 3d printers can't match. They just need to make an even better product and stay a step ahead of what's free.


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Canadian 5th wrote:...that something might not be something I would have bought anyway so you don't lose money on something I wouldn't have bought anyway.

By the same logic, you might not have used your TV, so you're not losing anything when he takes it...

No, you're missing the point. If I pay for a TV and you steal it I'm out a TV, if I download a movie that I never would have payed for you lose nothing.