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Tau Army List 1500 Points

HQ
Shas'O
Plasma Rifle
Cyclic Ion Blaster
Shield Generator
H-W Multi-Tracker
Stimulant Injector
H-W Drone Controller
2 Shield Drones
Bonding Knife
180 Points

2 Shas’vre Body Guard
Missile Pods
Burst Cannon
Targeting Array
H-W Multi-Tracker
H-W Drone Controller
Marker Drone
Shield Drone
230 Points

Shas'O
Plasma Rifle
Burst Cannon
Shield Generator
H-W Multi-Tracker
H-W Drone Controller
2 Shield Drones
Bonding Knife
163 Points

Troops
10 Fire Warriors
Pulse Rifles
Shas’ui Team Leader
H-W Drone Controller
Marker Drone
Bonding Knife
145 Points

10 Fire Warriors
Pulse Rifles
Shas’ui Team Leader
H-W Drone Controller
Marker Drone
Bonding Knife
145 Points

10 Fire Warriors
Pulse Carbine
Shas’ui Team Leader
EMP Grenades
H-W Drone Controller
Shield Drone
Bonding Knife
133 Points

Elites
3 Crisis Suits
Twin-Linked Missile Pods
Targeting Array
Shas’vre
H-W Drone Controller
2 Shield drones
Bonding Knife
204 Points

Heavy Support
3 Broadsides
Twin-Linked Railguns
Smart Missile System
Targeting Array
Shas’vre
Twin-Linked Plasma Rifles << Shas’vre
H-W Drone Controller
2 Shield Drones
H-W Target Lock
H-W Multi-Tracker
300 Points

Total Points 1500

So now I guess I will fill you in on how I plan to play this army.

1.With the 3 squads of Fire Warriors, I will deploy the 2 squads with pulse rifles next to each other, and then the squad with the pulse carbines in the middle in front of them. And the strategy is basically leap frog. You move the pulse carbine squad forward 6” and then the left pulse rifle squad forward 6” as well. Then in the shooting phase you fire the squad of Fire Warriors on the right who didn’t move (full 30”) and if the front pulse carbine squad in range of any enemies fire them as well. Then you repeat the process but with the right squad. So you move the pulse carbine squad forward 6” and then the right pulse rifle squad forward 6” as well. Then in the shooting phase you fire the left squad who haven’t moved and the pulse carbines if there in range. So the Carbine squad will slowly progress further forward.

2.The second part the my game strategy is to use the Crisis Team (Elites) and use the JSJ (Jump Shoot Jump) method, ducking in out of cover and clear line of sight. This squad is meant to target and aspect warriors with 4+ saves or worse (dire avengers, howling banshees, fire dragons, swooping hawks, rangers and guardians)

3.The Shas’O without the bodyguard will join the other Shas’O with the bodyguard. The will operate as a 4 man Crisis Command Team. The Missile Pods, Cyclic Ion Blaster are for aspect warriors (AP 4), the burst cannons are strength 5, so they wound majority or Eldar units on 2+ and the kill guardians outright. The plasma rifles are for any exarches that lose their squad and aren’t dying from Missile Pods, as well for 2+ save units.

4.And lastly the Broadsides, they are deployed in cover, far back as possible, with best line of sight possible. And they are to take out any transports/tanks, the Avatar, wraithguard and wraithlords. After all priority targets have been destroyed, just kill infantry.

Ok so tell me what you think, to over powered/under powered, not mobile enough, if my strategies are flawed. I'm open to constuctive criticism

The Eldar player i versus generally uses aspect warriors (dire avengers, howling banshees, fire dragons, rangers and sometimes swooping hawks and guardians). He doesn't really use transports and tanks. but he likes using the Avatar with 10 wraithguard.

I probably wouldnt spend so much on your leaders. you could easily get another team or two of crisis suits in for all the upgrades your puting on. go minimal upgrades, maxiumum numbers.

also the broadies by themselves are going to be a massive target, id give them some protection

Also, eldar have really short range, so you shouldnt need to move the firewarriors at all. their best at sitting back fireing with range, their too squishy to move up.

Hope that helps

Giddy Mao wrote:I probably wouldnt spend so much on your leaders. you could easily get another team or two of crisis suits in for all the upgrades your puting on. go minimal upgrades, maxiumum numbers.

also the broadies by themselves are going to be a massive target, id give them some protection

Also, eldar have really short range, so you shouldnt need to move the firewarriors at all. their best at sitting back fireing with range, their too squishy to move up.

Hope that helps

yeah i wish i coudld but i don't have enough crisis suits to field that many, but maybe a sniper drone team or try and get a hammerhead in ???

yeah I understand not wanting to buy more :( but if you can put a hammer head in, i think you should. that rail gun is awesome. its blast shot is AP4 if i remember correctly. dont bother with sniper drones i think.

make sure you have disruption pods on the hammerhead (over 12" away gets a 4+ cover save. really makes it worthwhile.

Its that i don't want to buy more units lol, just can't afford it

IXLoiero95XI wrote:

Giddy Mao wrote:I probably wouldnt spend so much on your leaders. you could easily get another team or two of crisis suits in for all the upgrades your puting on. go minimal upgrades, maxiumum numbers.

yeah i wish i coudld but i don't have enough crisis suits to field that many,

The thing is, when you over load a few units with upgrades to meet a points level, you have what I call a "pushed list". Simply not effective at that level.

Bring the Shas'os to 'El, with Target Arrays, 2 guns, (No Shield Gen!), hw MT, and the 2 ShieldDs, BK. And the rest of the suits demote from bodyguard to fill your other elite slots.

Remove, all "vre" upgrades and demote to Team Leader and save points, Bonding. Being a 'Vre has no impact vs. eldar nor MEqs, so why spend points? For every suit unit.

Also, I'd split up each broadside, filling your out your Heavy Support slots, so that each suit could have a pair of Shield Drones.

Really, you have a 1250 list.

IXLoiero95XI wrote:but maybe a sniper drone team or try and get a hammerhead in ???

Railhead.

Get your buddy to pare down his list to 1250, otherwise, he's going to have a lot of advantage over you as a foot-dar list at 1500 really hits a stride.

Tau Army List 1500 Points

HQ
Shas'O
Twin-Linked Missile Pods
Cyclic Ion Blaster
H-W Multi-Tracker
H-W Drone Controller
2 Shield Drones
Bonding Knife
148 Points

2 Shas’vre Body Guard
Plasma Rifles
Burst Cannon
Targeting Array
H-W Multi-Tracker
H-W Drone Controller
2 Shield Drone
201 Points

Shas'O
Missile Pods
Twin-Linked Burst Cannon
H-W Multi-Tracker
H-W Drone Controller
2 Shield Drones
Bonding Knife
139 Points

Troops
10 Fire Warriors
Pulse Rifles
Shas’ui Team Leader
Bonding Knife
115 Points

10 Fire Warriors
Pulse Rifles
Shas’ui Team Leader
Bonding Knife
115 Points

10 Fire Warriors
Pulse Carbine
Shas’ui Team Leader
EMP Grenades
H-W Drone Controller
Shield Drone
Bonding Knife
133 Points

Elites
3 Crisis Suits
Twin-Linked Missile Pods
Targeting Array
Team Leader
H-W Drone Controller
Shield drone
Marker Drone
Bonding Knife
214 Points

Heavy Support
3 Broadsides
Twin-Linked Railguns
Smart Missile System
Targeting Array
Team Leader
Twin-Linked Plasma Rifles << Shas’vre
H-W Drone Controller
2 Shield Drones
H-W Target Lock
H-W Multi-Tracker
295 Points

Hammerhead Gunship
Ion Cannon
Disruption Pods
Burst Cannons
2 Seeker Missiles
140 Points

Total Points 1500



Ok so is this an improvement. From re-thinking all the upgrades and such i dropped a few points. i made one of each of the Shas'O weapon systems twin-linked, and got rid of the shield generator. i dropped all but 1 marker drone. added a Ion Head for 140 points, with 2 seeker missiles.

If your wondering why i didn't degrade to a Shas'el, its simple. The Shas'O is way better, on the Shas'el you pay 10 points for a targeting array to get BS 5, the Shas'O already has BS 5, and so essentialy for 15 more points you get weapon skill 4, an extra wound, extra attack and Ld 10. and agaist eldar, that extra wound could mean life and death for you commander, cause eldar mind war can inflict up to like 6 wounds or something without saves allowed, so more wounds ypu got, better chance of survival.

IXLoiero95XI wrote:Heavy Support
3 Broadsides
Twin-Linked Railguns
Smart Missile System
Targeting Array
Team Leader
Twin-Linked Plasma Rifles << Shas’vre

Why still a 'vre? Or didja forget to delete that, since you have Team Leader in there, too?

IXLoiero95XI wrote:Hammerhead Gunship Ion Cannon

IonCan? Really? *No one* runs them in 5e because cover saves are every where, denying the IonCan's AP3 fun. Railhead, every time. Chuck the seekers and a MArkerDrone here or there for the points to get back the RG. The Railgun's submunition is simply superior to the IonCan's 3 shots for anti-Infantry, getting more hits, at the same applicable STR (wounds T4 or less on a 2) and AP4, which is a Cover Save anyway.

IXLoiero95XI wrote:If your wondering why i didn't degrade to a Shas'el, its simple. The Shas'O is way better, on the Shas'el you pay 10 points for a targeting array to get BS 5, the Shas'O already has BS 5, and so essentialy for 15 more points you get weapon skill 4, an extra wound, extra attack and Ld 10. and agaist eldar, that extra wound could mean life and death for you commander, cause eldar mind war can inflict up to like 6 wounds or something without saves allowed, so more wounds ypu got, better chance of survival.

You're thinking wrongly.

You don't *want* h2h upgrades because you never want your suits in h2h. Most eldar players won't have Mind War, unless they have Eldrad.

The WS4, extra wound and LD10 are (relatively) pointless. He's more likely to die from a Lance or EML hit, which will be Instant Death, so that wound you paid for is useless. The only usefull gain is LD10 and not worth the 15, IMHO.

Shas'Os gobble up points and are symptoms of 'pushed lists'. You'll find a more efficient HQ in a Shas'el, with TA, 2 guns, hwMT and the Drone Controler.

Tau Army List 1500 Points

HQ
Shas’el
Missile Pods
Cyclic Ion Blaster
Targeting Array
H-W Multi-Tracker
H-W Drone Controller
2 Shield Drones
Bonding Knife
127 Points

2 Shas’vre Body Guard
Plasma Rifles
Burst Cannons
Targeting Arrays
H-W Multi-Trackers
H-W Drone Controllers
2 Shield Drones
216 Points

Shas'el
Missile Pods
Burst Cannon
Targeting Array
H-W Multi-Tracker
H-W Drone Controller
2 Shield Drones
Bonding Knife
115 Points

Troops
10 Fire Warriors
Pulse Rifles
Shas’ui Team Leader
Bonding Knife
115 Points

10 Fire Warriors
Pulse Rifles
Shas’ui Team Leader
Bonding Knife
115 Points

10 Fire Warriors
Pulse Carbine
Shas’ui Team Leader
EMP Grenades
H-W Drone Controller
Shield Drone
Bonding Knife
133 Points

Elites
3 Crisis Suits
Twin-Linked Missile Pods
Targeting Array
Team Leader
H-W Drone Controller
Shield drones
Marker Drone
Bonding Knife
214 Points

Heavy Support
3 Broadsides
Twin-Linked Railguns
Smart Missile System
Targeting Array
Team Leader
H-W Drone Controller
2 Shield Drones
H-W Target Lock
280 Points

Hammerhead Gunship
Hammerhead Railgun
Disruption Pods
Burst Cannons
Sensor Spines
Multi-Tracker
Seeker Missile
185 Points

Total Points 1500


what you think of this ?? am i getting better lol

IXLoiero95XI wrote:what you think of this ?? am i getting better lol

Somewhat.

IXLoiero95XI wrote:Shas'el CiB
2 Shas’vre Body Guard
Shas'el
Elites 3 Crisis Suits

What does a vre gain over a regular suit? Only gains access to Special Wargear, which you aren't using. So demote them and SAVE points. As a tau player adds suits, filling in the elite slots, the bodyguard slots should be the *last* places suits should go, not the first.

You have 7 suits. They should be listed as such (I put them with your load-out choices):

Shas'el - CiB/MP/TA, hwMT
Shas'el - Deathrain (TL-MP, Target Array, hwTarget Lock) - can attach to the last Deathrain
Pair of BladeStorms (PR/BC/MT) - These are your former bodyguards, EDIT: Ah, to amend: They lack the Target Arrays, and thus BS4. My bad. *But*, it's a 20 point upgrade, first for the vre then the TA. Instead, one of them could be a Team Leader for less, and then add his Target Array. I'd still do it this way.having all the same useful stats, for ten points less. Each. And your CiB HQ can still attach to them.
Pair of FireStorms (MP/BC/MT)
Single (Monat) Deathrain

1. It splits your fire power, making it more efficient.
2. It makes it harder for the enemy to catch you in h2h as you have *Many* Small Units (MSUs) running around instead of a couple big ones.
3. It makes the enemy have to split his fire into smaller pieces, making it less effective.
4. It eliminates the need for Bonding Knives, as the survivor of paired suits is still 50% unit strength and can rally. You're saving points.
5. And a 'vre has no advantage over a regular suit. So, why spend more points?

Deathrains need only be single as they target a single model unit: a transport.
Blade or Fire Storms are anti-Infantry and should be in pairs or trios as they target multi-model units and need volume shooting.

IXLoiero95XI wrote:10 Fire Warriors
Pulse Carbine
Shas’ui Team Leader
EMP Grenades
H-W Drone Controller
Shield Drone
Bonding Knife
133 Points

I missed this unit before. It's bad:
1. EMPs - Fire Warriors should never be in a position to use 'em, and if it so happens that they're close enough to assault an enemy tank, then you're losing already. Tau have so many other things that are better at frying tanks. Toss 'em. FWs have two duties:
Primary - a scoring unit
Secondary - anti-Infantry *support* - as in, mop up a weakened unit, like a few stray spehss muhreeens. They really aren't strong/tough enough for offense, unless you run a FishofFury operation in multiples.

2. Carbines. You really need the amount of Markerlights Pathfinders can generate (up to 8 hits) to make carbine Pinning useful, but your list only has a few MarkerDrones here and there (which I recommend you also toss). Pulse Rifles are better simply for volume and range.
3. A Shield D on a FW team is "pushing" a list. SDs are for ablative wounds on suit units, usually broadsides. Toss it.

IXLoiero95XI wrote:Heavy Support
3 Broadsides
Twin-Linked Railguns
Smart Missile System
Targeting Array
Team Leader
H-W Drone Controller
2 Shield Drones
H-W Target Lock

Don't forget to Bond! Those few points *are* worth being able to rally a Railgun.

IXLoiero95XI wrote:Hammerhead Railgun
Disruption Pods
Burst Cannons
Sensor Spines
Multi-Tracker
Seeker Missile

Toss the Seekers and Sensor Spines. There is really no need to drive a tank into terrain as the DisPod already gives it a Cover Save.

I still think you ought to pare down to 1250:
1. Stream-line all units to have minimum wargear (almost none)
2. No Marker Ds
3. Shield Ds only for Broadsides.

Lastly, Read AdvancedTauTactica.com. It'll help improve your game, and prepare you for the upcoming new codex.

Tau Army List 1500 Points

HQ
Shas’el
Missile Pods
Cyclic Ion Blaster
Targeting Array
H-W Multi-Tracker
Bonding Knife
Target Lock
102 Points

Shas'el
Missile Pods
Burst Cannon
Targeting Array
H-W Multi-Tracker
Bonding Knife
90 Points

Troops
10 Fire Warriors
Pulse Rifles
Shas’ui Team Leader
Bonding Knife
115 Points

10 Fire Warriors
Pulse Rifles
Shas’ui Team Leader
Bonding Knife
115 Points

10 Fire Warriors
Pulse Rifles
Shas’ui Team Leader
Bonding Knife
115 Points

Elites
3 Crisis Suits
Twin-Linked Missile Pods
Targeting Array
Team Leader
Bonding Knife
189 Points

3 Crisis Suits
Plasma Rifles
Burst Cannons
Multi-Trackers
174 Points


Heavy Support
3 Broadsides
Twin-Linked Railguns
Smart Missile System
Targeting Array
Team Leader
H-W Drone Controller
2 Shield Drones
H-W Target Lock
280 Points

Hammerhead Gunship
Hammerhead Railgun
Disruption Pods
Burst Cannons
Multi-Tracker
160 Points

Hammerhead Gunship
Hammerhead Railgun
Disruption Pods
Burst Cannons
Multi-Tracker
160 Points

Total Points 1500


ok followed your ideas for changes, but still going to put both shas'els with the bladestorm squad. put another hammerhead in cos it was over 1250 points, and had 5 spare points gave shas'el with CIB a target lock

This last list looks good. All the fat is trimmed.

5 RGs.
Lotsa Deathrains.

Tactically, having one FW crew on Reserve to grab an objective in late game is a good idea. The only weakness is no transports for them, but that'd be a significant alteration and I'd just start playing it.

I also saw you checked into Advancedtatutactica.com.

Whadja think?

Aye that last one is looking pretty nifty I'd suggest the earlier alteration of moving one of the suits to the last elite slot and using it like that. It's more adaptable and overall should make them more survivable, as the opponent has to split their fire.

thanks for the help guys i won't really need transports though for objectives, we've never played an objective game actually. i really want to play them but we haven't yet ATT, not so far, tried to post in there modeling forums, and can't make a post. when i give this list a try , i'll try and get you the results

Results would be great and try to play an objective game sometime, they can be very entertaining if not the easiest of things for Tau at times.

@IXLoiero95XI
What army builder are you using?

woodbok wrote:@IXLoiero95XI
What army builder are you using?

what you mean army builder ??? i use my codex and do it myself, but this time i asked for some help to see what others think of my list.