What's so good about Teclis?

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**Doctorcheese**

So yeah, I guess the title explains it all. What makes him so awesome?

I don't have the book so I can't check D:

**Aerethan**

He causes IF on any successful cast involving ANY doubles and he ignores the first miscast each turn(which is only caused by double 6's).

So basically he IF's everything and then ignores the consequences when he miscasts, all for a low cost of 475 which is only 100 more points than a fully maxed out lv4 wizard.

**Glimpse The Void**

I hate Teclis' guts......

**Lehnsherr**

He causes IF on any successful cast involving ANY doubles and he ignores the first miscast each turn(which is only caused by double 6's).

The key to this is 'successful cast'. What this usually means, is that if you combine Teclis with a banner of sorcery, you will usually have 12 dice magic phases. If you toss 4 dice at a spell you get pretty decent odds of having both a successful roll (he gets +4 to the casting roll) and then IF from the doubles. If you don't meet the casting value he won't get the IF.

The avoidance of the first miscast is a real pain too. If he absolutely needs to get a spell off, he can toss 6 dice at it with no worries at all. Tossing 6 dice at a spell almost guarantees IF.

Most High Elf armies with Teclis will be casting 3-4 spells per turn, and you won't be able to stop them. He can be particularly dangerous with Dwellers, Purple Sun or any spell that can cause mass death.

He also comes pre-equipped with a buffed up dispel scroll. His only real drawback is that he has no armour save, and a T value of 2 with 2 wounds. He is probably the single most powerful caster in the game (only Kairos and a 4 Disc Slann can even come close) but he is also by far the squishiest.

**Scarecrow456**

Lenh is correct about him being squishy. The problem is getting to him. A smart high elf general will bunker him into a pheonix guard with the banner of sorcery and then keep him away from potential combat. Being able to get anything off with IF on a succesful casting roll with a double (but not causing a miscast unless double 6's) is brutal, paired with ignoring the first miscast he makes is just stupid good.

His scroll is indeed a buffed up dispel scroll, in that it can dispel your spell, and if he beats your wizard in a leadership test (his is 10 if i remember correct) you lose that spell for the rest of the game.

And just for kicks, he wounds on a 2+. Pointless, but irritating none the less for a wizard to be able to do that...

BS...total bs for a character...no, i'm not bitter, shut up...

**Aerethan**

It is generally considered poor sportsmanship to use him in the current game. I plan to play him for fun a few times but that's only against my wife and it's mostly just out of curiosity.

At just 360 points a lv4 mage with Book of Hoeth is a damn fine substitute and is a staple in my regular list.

**HoverBoy**

Teclis is so cool due to the unstoppable magic phase sindrom.
Only lizardmen have any chance of stopping him early and it requires an item (Blood Statuette of Spite) some luck and him not having the spell immunity banner.

**rocksteadygreeny**

yes and as statefd above, people shove him in a phoenix gaurd unit (they have 4+ ward saves) with the banner of sorcery(+d3 power dice) and if thtey are reeeeaaallly mean they stick a bsb with the banner of world dragon (this unit is immune to all spells/spell effects) also teclis adds d3 power dice or dispel dice ineach of the phases!

**Ralin Givens**

Just clearing up a couple things first: Tecilis is any doubles it does not have to be successfuly cast, he has 3 wounds not 2. Also people seem to of forgotten about his Loremaster

**HoverBoy**

Ralin Givens wrote:Tecilis is any doubles it does not have to be successfuly cast

You may wanna re-read his rules he does need to meet the casting value, thats why becalming cogitation has a slight chance to stop him.
His rules clearly state:

HE AB pg.66 wrote:on any successfull casting roll which includes a double

**Ralin Givens**

hoe damn...hahah its been a while since i have looked at the two brothers in my dex but there it is, I am humbled sir

**HoverBoy**

It's ok all this prooves is that you play for fun and not use him

I on the other hand must know my enemy just in case.

**cowpow16**

With tz shenanigans he miscasts a bunch if you get pandaemonium off

any doubles and you miscast so he would either be taking damage or letting me dispel

tz ftw.

**Ralin Givens**

Yah but good ole Tecilis can scroll pand or just use one dice during his face and get rid of the RIP :(

**tmarichards**

Ralin Givens wrote:Yah but good ole Tecilis can scroll pand or just use one dice during his face and get rid of the RIP :(

Insanely risky using just one dice to try and dispel, as if he fails he cannot cast any more spells that phase.

**Thunderfrog**

Teclis in the next edition will either become a 600 point character or lose some of his awesome. I can't imagine them letting him stay the same.

**Ralin Givens**

Yah but HE are far away...so the lil man will rein supreme for a while yet

**Jamora**

I'm afraid to go up against him. Besides his toughness, I cant seem to figure out how I'd go about taking him down.

**Casper**

Jamora wrote:I'm afraid to go up against him. Besides his toughness, I cant seem to figure out how I'd go about taking him down.

Depends on what lore he has. If he is lore of life - hit him with something fast, a unit of cav and a monster/chariot/block of infantry. He can't go to back ranks and you just allocate attacks at the T2 elf. If he has shadow he may be harder to catch as he can jump between units. So what you have to do is not only charge the unit he is in but also charge any other possible units for him to switch places with.

**Eldar Own**

Yep, Teclis is just awesome. His casting prowess is so good that he is literally unstoppable and it's actually worth spending a significant amount of points on a unit of pheonix guard to bunker him in and some spearmen to absorb potetial charges against him.

But, as others have said, there's a sort of ettiquite preventing people from using him. You certainly won't make too many friends using him, that's for sure.

**Justus**

Can't you always challenge Teclis in his unit as well? Sacrificing even an expensive unit to dismantle such a dangerous force multiplier seems worth it to me.

**Ralin Givens**

He can just refuse and move to the back though, or the unit champ takes it like well...a champ

**AlmightyWalrus**

Ralin Givens wrote:He can just refuse and move to the back though, or the unit champ takes it like well...a champ

And then promptly proceeds to kill your challenging unit because Teclis buffed him/nerfed you!

**Ralin Givens**

Or Caradryn accepts and you destroy him then he destroys you!

**Acardia**

You don't make a challenge like that. I like fire and forget missles in my list that can usually reach out and assassinate mages like that. For that role, I like Fiends. Or a ravaging bloodthirster.

**Lehnsherr**

Ya, you will often see Caradryan in the same unit in order to protect Teclis from a challenge. The unit champ would only save Teclis for 1 turn. The next turn he would be getting stomped on.

If a challenge is refused, the challenging player chooses which model to send to the back. Its unwise for the High Elf player to refuse the challenge, unless Teclis is the lone character in the unit. If Teclis IS the lone character in the unit, I'm not sure why you would challenge him, as you could just direct attacks at him and give him no opportunity to be sent to the back. If he is not the lone character, and the challenge was refused, you could send another character to the back and Teclis would soon die.

The combo that people tend to run includes a BSB with the World Dragon, Caradryan, Teclis, and a big bunker of Phoenix Guard. Without the World Dragon Banner, Teclis could be picked off fairly easily by a few spells in the Lore of Death, that allow you to character snipe. All you would have to do is toss 6 dice at them, and hope for IF. Sure you might lose your wizard, but if you take out Teclis in the process, its a good tradeoff. Caradryan, as Ralin said, protects him from any serious challengers, as the challengers usually die when Caradryan dies.

The only threat to this combo is war machines, especially stone throwers. A bunch of T3 elves with only a 5+ 4++ don't like getting stones dropped on them. If he is running the World Dragon banner, he won't be able to buff the unit (and subsequently himself) with the Lore of Life.

Its by no means unbeatable, but an army with Teclis can be a tough nut to crack.

**Ralin Givens**

But a Blood Thirster can be challenged by Caradryn and cant resuse and will die to him.

**Aerethan**

Which is why I use Caradryan to protect my poor mans teclis in my PG unit.

**Acardia**

Ralin Givens wrote:But a Blood Thirster can be challenged by Caradryn and cant resuse and will die to him.

True. however a blood thirster still will get his ward save, and has 5 wounds. It would be a risk, but using a bloodthirster and fiend worked really well this weekend.

**Ralin Givens**

Well you also forget Caradryans flaming halberd of d3 doom!... in all honesty Caradryan is soo scary for a body guard its kind of stupid as he destroys every fast killer to go after lil T