bazookatooth wrote:Actually i would put wings on the tyrant and fly him behind the gargoyles for your front line assault. If you run the gaunts in front, you will hold up the gargoyles. Plus you could get the gaunts outside the 6" mark and out of the TS/AG bonus from the tervigon.

Also if you put wings on the tyrant and have the goyles screen him, get rid of the guard. put those points into more stealers or more hive guard.

Other than that the list is pretty solid.

bazookatooth wrote:
If you run the gaunts in front, you will hold up the gargoyles. Plus you could get the gaunts outside the 6" mark and out of the TS/AG bonus from the tervigon.

Zid wrote:Good points all around... maybe I should just cut the gargs then? I was gonna use them more to harass my enemies than do any real damage.

As for if the list "grows" I'm thinking of trying out double Tfexes and a third Tervi... T fexes seem to be the way to go

ruminator wrote:

Zid wrote:Good points all around... maybe I should just cut the gargs then? I was gonna use them more to harass my enemies than do any real damage.

As for if the list "grows" I'm thinking of trying out double Tfexes and a third Tervi... T fexes seem to be the way to go

Gargoyles don't really fit in this list. With the points saved you can run another brood of hive gaurd and bump up the effectiveness of those stealer squads - much better.

slice'n'dice wrote:Personally I love my Gargoyles, I have 2 broods of 15 each in my 1k army

I use mine with hormagaunts and a Trygon Prime with reasonable success at this points level. As you say, they also work great with Flyrants.

Tervis are good in just about any list, and great in most (though I currently don't have any in my 1k list).

Guard are almost always a must, I am yet to have them under-perform. Very tempting to play 9!

I don't personally like Mawlocs - remember that units in area terrain still get their cover save vs the deepstrike attack, so it's usually not too damaging against Long Fangs.

A lot of people have had some success with the T-Fex - I haven't tried one yet, but hope to try either him or a Harpy in my 1.5k list.

jy2 wrote:
When the new Grey Knight codex came out, many people thought that tyranids, just like daemons, got screwed. The knights have force weapons to kill our TMC's, psyfleman dreads to insta-gib our warriors and other multi-wound infantry and Cleansing Flame to burn away our hordes. Then if nids were to play all-reserves, the knights have an answer to that as well with Warp Quake.

My opinion was that nids, just like daemons, could still compete. It's definitely a challenge, just like with Dark Eldar, because the new Grey Knights codex is so strong, but it's definitely do-able. You just need to change your strategy somewhat. With all the advantages the grey knights have in assault, I honestly believe that assault nids is not the way to go. You're playing into the strengths of the knights, rushing into their I6 force weapons, 2++ invuln's, force weapons that automatically insta-kill thanks to banners, psychic powers that will kill off half your horde before they even get a chance to fight and units that are arguably even scarier in assault than nob bikers, thunderwolf cavalry or assault terminators (they're right up there with those units at the very least).

And if you don't assault them, the grey knights will just shoot you down. While they have great assault capabilities, what's often under-estimated is their shooting. They may lack the AP 1/2 weaponry of other MEQ armies but man, can they shoot!

But it's not just the Grey Knights. Dark Eldar, MSU-armies, IG...all the good armies/builds are shooty builds. My solution? Fight fire with fire. I believe that shooty nids or fast nids are the best ways to handle these type of armies. People often don't realize how important the movement and shooting phase is when playing nids. They perceive tyranids - with their genestealers, tyrants, warriors, carnifexes and trygons - to be mostly an assault army. That is simply not true, at least not anymore nowadays. In order to compete, the new nids must take into consideration all 3 aspects of the game and not just the assault phase. If you can control the movement phase, either with speed or infiltrating stealers, then you've already got a big advantage in objectives-based missions. And if you can shoot, then you can disrupt your opponent's game and force them to have to come to you, where your counter-assault elements would be waiting.

Honestly, I started off playing assault nids when the new codex first came out, prefering 2 or even 3 trygons. Since then, I've migrated to a more shooty-centric tyranid build with good counter-assault (the Swarmlord or dakkarant with Old Adversary and some genestealers). Mobility is still somewhat of an issue but at least with this build, I can hang with the shooty-MSU builds out there.

jy2 wrote:Here's my thoughts on Tyrands. This is coming from my battle report against the Grey Knights here.

jy2 wrote:
When the new Grey Knight codex came out, many people thought that tyranids, just like daemons, got screwed. The knights have force weapons to kill our TMC's, psyfleman dreads to insta-gib our warriors and other multi-wound infantry and Cleansing Flame to burn away our hordes. Then if nids were to play all-reserves, the knights have an answer to that as well with Warp Quake.

My opinion was that nids, just like daemons, could still compete. It's definitely a challenge, just like with Dark Eldar, because the new Grey Knights codex is so strong, but it's definitely do-able. You just need to change your strategy somewhat. With all the advantages the grey knights have in assault, I honestly believe that assault nids is not the way to go. You're playing into the strengths of the knights, rushing into their I6 force weapons, 2++ invuln's, force weapons that automatically insta-kill thanks to banners, psychic powers that will kill off half your horde before they even get a chance to fight and units that are arguably even scarier in assault than nob bikers, thunderwolf cavalry or assault terminators (they're right up there with those units at the very least).

And if you don't assault them, the grey knights will just shoot you down. While they have great assault capabilities, what's often under-estimated is their shooting. They may lack the AP 1/2 weaponry of other MEQ armies but man, can they shoot!

But it's not just the Grey Knights. Dark Eldar, MSU-armies, IG...all the good armies/builds are shooty builds. My solution? Fight fire with fire. I believe that shooty nids or fast nids are the best ways to handle these type of armies. People often don't realize how important the movement and shooting phase is when playing nids. They perceive tyranids - with their genestealers, tyrants, warriors, carnifexes and trygons - to be mostly an assault army. That is simply not true, at least not anymore nowadays. In order to compete, the new nids must take into consideration all 3 aspects of the game and not just the assault phase. If you can control the movement phase, either with speed or infiltrating stealers, then you've already got a big advantage in objectives-based missions. And if you can shoot, then you can disrupt your opponent's game and force them to have to come to you, where your counter-assault elements would be waiting.

Honestly, I started off playing assault nids when the new codex first came out, prefering 2 or even 3 trygons. Since then, I've migrated to a more shooty-centric tyranid build with good counter-assault (the Swarmlord or dakkarant with Old Adversary and some genestealers). Mobility is still somewhat of an issue but at least with this build, I can hang with the shooty-MSU builds out there.

With regards to your list, your gargoyles seem to be out of place. They're a good unit, however, the tyranid codex isn't really about the unit in a vacuum. It is about the list on the whole and how each unit synergizes with each other. The gargoyles is out of place because:

1. They are the only fast unit in an otherwise slow list. There is nothing really to support them.

2. While I would consider them for a screening unit, you already have that covered with the basic termagants. The gargoyles are superfluous as a screening unit.

3. It's not really much of a distraction unit either. Usually, distraction units must present a threat to the enemy. Gargoyles are only a threat to units such as guardsmen, guardians, fire warriors, kabalite warriors and other GEQ's. To MEQ's, they're just bolter-bait when they get within range of marine boltguns.

Now don't get me wrong. I like gargoyles and think they are useful....just not in this list and with this army. If you want to use them, you need to re-design your list to take advantage of their strengths.


As for Armoured Shell, you don't really need it. I've never really used it (except in Apoc) and have done fine without it.

For your tervigons, get rid of extra upgrades like talons. The only upgrades you need for them are those that buff up other units.

If you drop the gargoyles, go for more stealers or hive guards. You can never have too many hive guards. Also, one very under-rated unit that I use are biovores. They're another good unit that many people usually pass over.

jy2 wrote:I've only used the broodlord a couple of times. He's ok. Not extraordinary but just mediocre considering his price (he's actually 60pts as you need to upgrade him from a normal genestealer). I would much rather get toxin sacs for them over the broodlord. It seems like a lot of the better players like Janthkin, Reecius, hyv3mynd and myself prefer either toxin sacs or just more genestealers over the broodlord.

jy2 wrote:You sure are prolific. I can barely get in 1 batrep a week!