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I, uh, don't get the twin linked thing. I think they mean it's just 2x shots, so that's pretty logical. That is assuming that the "intstead" means the reroll is gone (seems to be the only reasonable interpretation) and that the half range is an error (assuming that normal heavy bolters aren't 72" range, and that heavy 6 won't become heavy 12). It makes sense, but it kinda makes "twin linked" as a term seem a bit superfluous.

EDIT: looks like the half range thing is gone, typo confirmed - definitely just 2x shots now.

Combi weapons just got a MASSIVE buff. I don't think it'll actually affect that much (suicide meltas still suicide, no other type was really seen that much) but it definitely makes things like combi-flamers more attractive.

Explosives - kinda hate it, to be honest. Rolling for random shots, then to hit is worse IMO than rolling once to hit then doing random hits from that. This just "feels" less like an explosive to me I guess. It's not a huge deal breaker, but it's a little saddening. That said, battle cannons now have a quite insane potential 18 wound output, though the average is 3.5 total wounds, over 2 models assuming 4+ to hit. It's actually kinda bad against infantry which is weird.

Also, from the meltagun (AP1) being -4, lascannons (AP2) being -3, battle cannons (AP3) being -2 and heavy bolters (AP4) being -1, I think we can safely assume all other weapons will follow this pattern.

All in all, good to see that meltaguns aren't just auto-death for vehicles, but everything else is meh.

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Please post Facebook results when you get them.

Someone has one of the top comments asking the questions...just waiting for a response.

Straight up double number of shots confirmed then. Sick! I bet both twin-linked and combi-weapons are going to go up in price quite a lot...

 Mymearan wrote:
I assume they added the "at half range" bit in error, or twin-linked weapons would be exactly the same as rapid fire weapons (and also those Twin Heavy Bolters would be way too sick). Also it has no special rules, which it would need.

I was unsure about this. I kind of got the impression that Twin and Twin linked, might be different things. So a twin linked heavy bolter would be 3 shots at full range and 6 at half, and a twin heavy bolter is 6 shots.

Hmm. I'm not sure I like the combi-weapon buff. That was already what everybody was equipping their sergeants with.

The twin heavy bolters probably are NOT "twin linked" so they wont get 12 shots at half.

SOMEHOW they managed to make the leman russ even more terrible than it currently is.

 docdoom77 wrote:
Article was updated. It's just double shots all the time.

So, as an example, a regular rapid-fire bolter is 1 shot at up to 24", and 2 shots within 12". A twin-linked bolter would be 2 shots out to 24".

Breng77 wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
I assume they added the "at half range" bit in error, or twin-linked weapons would be exactly the same as rapid fire weapons (and also those Twin Heavy Bolters would be way too sick). Also it has no special rules, which it would need.

I was unsure about this. I kind of got the impression that Twin and Twin linked, might be different things. So a twin linked heavy bolter would be 3 shots at full range and 6 at half, and a twin heavy bolter is 6 shots.

No they've updated the article, it was as I said. Straight up double number of shots for Twin-linked weapons like the Twin Heavy Bolter in the article.

They've edited the article. It no longer mentions half-range in regards to twin linked.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/10/new-warhammer-40000-weapons-part-2-may10gw-homepage-post-4/

Does that mean then combi bolters are now ... storm bolters..

So Hurricane Bolters get 12 shots at 12" or less? Land Raider Crusaders are going to be terrifying.

Error already fixed: "...twin-linked weapons instead get double the number of shots."

Exterminator autocannons become heavy 8? Noice!

Brian888 wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:
Article was updated. It's just double shots all the time.

So, as an example, a regular rapid-fire bolter is 1 shot at up to 24", and 2 shots within 12". A twin-linked bolter would be 2 shots out to 24".

And 4 shots at half range.

 nintura wrote:
So Hurricane Bolters get 12 shots at 12" or less? Land Raider Crusaders are going to be terrifying.

No... they get 12 shots at 24" Very cool indeed.

 Latro_ wrote:
Does that mean then combi bolters are now ... storm bolters..

Combi- Storm Bolters!

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 nintura wrote:
So theoretically, a TL-Lasgun from an ordered IG person would be 8 shots at half range?

Indeed.

Also, I dislike the changes to the Battlecannon. It's WAY too random and not reliable at all. Random shots and wounds? Not convinced

I expected it but I assumed that large blasts like the battle cannon would be 2D6 shots and then D3 wounds or something.

I also expected more of roll to hit, roll number of hits, then roll to wound and number of wounds. Number of shots means rolling separately to hit for each shot which to me does not read like an explosion.


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 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
Does that mean then combi bolters are now ... storm bolters..

Combi- Storm Bolters!

That hit at -1 BS....

jesus, not sure I like the combi weapons being able to fire forever.... Sternguard were NOT hurting for shooting power.

 nintura wrote:

Brian888 wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:
Article was updated. It's just double shots all the time.

So, as an example, a regular rapid-fire bolter is 1 shot at up to 24", and 2 shots within 12". A twin-linked bolter would be 2 shots out to 24".

And 4 shots at half range.

I'm not entirely sure it works like that. My impression is that the twin-linking "overrides" the "double-shots at half range" aspect of rapid-fire weapons.

DCannon4Life wrote:
Error already fixed: "...twin-linked weapons instead get double the number of shots."

Cool that makes more sense

 Latro_ wrote:
Does that mean then combi bolters are now ... storm bolters..

Huh. Yea, probably...

Chaos Terminators are super happy all around.

So the HB profile, is it Heavy 6 because it's twin? Or is that it's new base profile?

Little confused there.

Brian888 wrote:

 nintura wrote:

Brian888 wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:
Article was updated. It's just double shots all the time.

So, as an example, a regular rapid-fire bolter is 1 shot at up to 24", and 2 shots within 12". A twin-linked bolter would be 2 shots out to 24".

And 4 shots at half range.

I'm not entirely sure it works like that. My impression is that the twin-linking "overrides" the "double-shots at half range" aspect of rapid-fire weapons.

No, twin-linking isn't a rule, it just gives you more shots. So if you have a rapid fire twin-linked weapon it'll shoot a lot at half range.

 davou wrote:
jesus, not sure I like the combi weapons being able to fire forever.... Sternguard were NOT hurting for shooting power.

Yea cost will play a big role here.

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
So the HB profile, is it Heavy 6 because it's twin? Or is that it's new base profile?

Little confused there.

Facebook confirms that the profile listed is for the twin linked heavy bolter, so a standard heavy bolter will only have three shots.

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
So the HB profile, is it Heavy 6 because it's twin? Or is that it's new base profile?

Little confused there.

It's H6 because it's Twin, aye.

I think "twin weapon x" will simply be listed as a different weapon to "weapon x". For example a Predator Destructor might have:
"this vehicle is equipped with two lascannon in the sponsons and a twin-linked lascannon in the turret. Weapon Range Type ... Lascannon 72" Heavy 1 ... Twin lascannon 72" Heavy 2 ..."

 Mymearan wrote:

 nintura wrote:
So Hurricane Bolters get 12 shots at 12" or less? Land Raider Crusaders are going to be terrifying.

No... they get 12 shots at 24" Very cool indeed.

No. Hurricane bolters are 3 twinlinked bolters which would mean (assuming a straight conversion) that they would be effectively rapid fire 6. Six shots out to 24" and 12 up to 12."

Think the consensus is every twin linked weapon has its own profile.

I think the design team has already included the bonuses from being TL on the profiles... So the twin heavy bolters do no double up, the're already included in the profile.

**EDIT**

hOLY gak BOLTER DRILL!?!