Mephiston and Honor Guard

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**peebzguy**

Hey folks.

Some of you may or may not have seen Eggroll's Blood Angels over in his neck of the woods http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/540/313003.page#3146966. If you haven't, please go and worship him. However, in the course of worshiping his amazing art skills I kind of got into it with one of his fellow worshipers, who, in my opinion, was feeding him incorrect information.

The offender stated that since the Independent Character rule was not listed in Mephiston's profile, he therefore could not have Honor Guard attached to him. This is how I interpreted the statement anyway. The specific quote was:

Honor Guard for Mephiston? You know he isn't an IC right? Regardless I want to see it though

To which I replied that regardless, you may take an Honor Guard for every HQ unit on the table so long as the Force Organization chart was adhered to and you were within the point limit. I also said that even though the IC rule is not listed under his profile, that since he was a named character he was therefore a Special Character who inherits the Unique rule, and is therefore an IC (page 49 of the rule book). Then it came up that Mephiston was some sort of Monstrous Creature and therefore could not be attached to any unit ever... and I'm not sure what the deal with that is because I don't see Monstrous Creature anywhere in his profile or in the Angelic Host, please correct me if I'm wrong though.

So, TLDR:

1) Mephiston is a special character because he is named, and is therefore Unique, and is therefore an IC.
2) Mephiston is an HQ unit, and an Honor Guard can therefore be taken, and can also be attached to him because he is an IC.

Am I right or am I wrong?

You make the call.

Cheers,
PeebzGuy

EDIT:
Also, PLEASE DO NOT reply in Eggroll's thread. Please reply here. That thread is for worshiping his beautiful work only, and I feel like an

for sullying it with rulz talk, even though I was just trying to make sure he would be referencing correct information should he choose to play someday (he just paints, which is fine, because he's awesome).

**Grakmar**

Mephiston is a unique character.

He is NOT an IC. So, he cannot join other units.

He is a unit that is always made up of one model, so other ICs cannot join him.

**jbunny**

You are wrong.

Mephiston is not an IC and therefore may not join ANY unit. He is a unit of 1, and therefor no IC can join him.

Mephiston is allowed to buy an Honor Guard, but he is not required, nor allowed to join it.

**Tsannik**

Being Unique does not give the Independent Character special rule. The entry for Unique on p49 only states that you cannot take duplicates of that character in your army.

So in answer to all this...

An Honor Guard can be taken for each HQ choice taken normally (except other Honor guard).

Mephiston is an HQ choice, therefore an Honor Guard may be taken.

Mephiston is NOT an Independent Character, however. So, he may never join another unit.

**Carnage43**

Neither 1 nor 2.

Mephiston is not an independent character and therefore can never join any unit. Period.
Mephiston IS an HQ, and will allow you to take an Honor Guard squad. He just cannot join it.

The thing you are missing here is that characters do not have to join the Honor Guard squad.

**peebzguy**

Grakmar wrote:Mephiston is a unique character.

He is NOT an IC. So, he cannot join other units.

He is a unit that is always made up of one model, so other ICs cannot join him.

Page 49 of the 5th Edition rulebook clearly states under Unique:

Special characters can be either independent or upgrade characters, but each one of them is unique, so the player may not include multiples of the same special character in an army.

That CLEARLY STATES that they are independent characters.

**Jidmah**

It does not. It says that special characters can be either independent or upgrade characters. It does not say that they must be one of those two options.

Any special character without the independent character special rule may not join other units.

**pitfighter**

Independet character is a special rule and only models that clearly state on their profile that they have this rule can use it.

**peebzguy**

Alright I give, I'm clearly in the minority. I just think that after reading the Special Character rule and Unique right below it that it implies any named character can be either an Upgrade or Independent Character, which to me means that you can choose which one and apply it. Bummer. Looks like I'm no longer running Mephiston with his Honor Guard protectors, the jury has spoken :(

**nosferatu1001**

It states they CAN be either, not MUST be either.

He is not an IC. He is not an Upgrade Character. He is simply Unique

You can take Honor Guard, howver you CANNOT join Mephiston to him as he is NOT an IC

**Melchiour**

As other's have said, it doesn't mean they have to be an IC or upgrade.

"A rabbit can be black or brown" does not imply rabbits are only those two colors.

**peebzguy**

Obligatory facepalm

**Phototoxin**

Mephy IS NOT IC
Mephy IS HQ
HQ allows purchase of Honour Guard
HQ not required to join honour guard
mephy cannot join even if he wanted to
/end

**jdjamesdean@mail.com**

1 Man infantry for life <,<

**peebzguy**

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:1 Man infantry for life <,<

For real dude.

**Ascalam**

Downside- No more even MORE broken shenanigans with ablative wounds on your vampire daemonprince wannabe. He's sick enough without a unit to take hits for him.

Upside- He can't be turned into a squig

**peebzguy**

Ascalam wrote:Downside- No more even MORE broken shenanigans with ablative wounds on your vampire daemonprince wannabe. He's sick enough without a unit to take hits for him.

He is kind of a beast isn't he

**nosferatu1001**

Mpehiston - say hello to 8 mindstrikes

**peebzguy**

nosferatu1001 wrote:Mpehiston - say hello to 8 mindstrikes

boo :(

**omerakk**

Ok, I think 80 people telling him he's wrong is enough ><

We should give another example though, just so you know it isn't a one time deal.

Crowe from the gk codex: a special little guy just like Meph, but sadly, not an IC.

**Zefig**

The Sanguinor as well, I believe.

**Ascalam**

The Eldar Avatar

The Swarmlord i believe..

There's a few out there..

**Alfndrate**

Ascalam wrote:The Eldar Avatar

The Swarmlord i believe..

There's a few out there..

The Swarmlord can take a retinue of Tyrant Guard though, something Mephy cannot do.

**Ascalam**

But he still isn't an IC

**Lordhat**

Sammael, Master of the Raven Wing on Jetbike is also an HQ SC who is also NOT an IC.

**Chrysis**

Death Company Tycho is also not an IC.