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I'm a little curious to whether the Gods the Orks pray to actually exist. Are Gork and Mork real beings in the 40k universe or they just Orky superstition? If not officially, wouldn't they have come into being just because of the sheer number that believe in them? Orks believe red goes faster, so it does. They believe their guns work, so they do. If they believe in the presence of certain Gods do they now exist because of that.

Gork and Mork exist as warp beings. They are beings of WAAAGH energy as the chaos gods are beings of normal emotional warp energy. Orks are strengthened by warp energy, the wore WAAAGH energy the ork creates the more the ork grows, or the more he gets used to making ork technology work better in the case of the meks and pigdoks, as you have said already. In fact the old Ere' We Go: orks had a bit on gork and mork fighting with nurgle I believe, correct me if I am wrong.

This is my view as it is a rather subjective matter. So it is not set in stone.

Although I have just looked them up and have found a sorta source in the form of lexicanum.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gork_and_Mork

Gork and Mork are the twin gods of the Orks. Ork traits and emotions have a reflection in the warp the same as the traits and emotions of Humans and Eldar do.

Actually, Gork (or Mork) defeated Khorne in battle.

as stated in the 4th edition Ork codex, pg 15:

The Orks are a powerful force in the universe. A highly successful race, they seem to be able to expand and prosper effortlessly in comparison to the other civilizations who struggle even for simple survival. The Ork character traits have a reflection in the immaterial dimension of the Warp just like the traits and emotions of humanity and the eldar. These traits are made manifest in the belligerent Ork gods known as Gork and Mork. The Orks say that Gork is brutal but kunnin', and Mork is kunnin' but brutal.

Gork and Mork are divine powerhouses, deities so strong they are never truly defeated. They simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh. Gork grins, bears his long teeth, and lands a mighty blow on his adversary's head with a spiked club the size of a comet. Mork, the master of cunning, waits until his foe isn't looking before clobbering him with a low blow.

Interesting. I would like more information if someone has.

The two of them are even older then Khorne himself and he was the very first chaos god.

I wonder if since the daemon gods have daemonic minions like bloodletters and such, do Gork and Mork?

I would immagine gork and mork don't need daemons, they are so powerfull just from the massive number and determination of the hordes of orks across the galaxy.

FuryTheBerserker wrote:Interesting. I would like more information if someone has.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that gork and mork are coplex gods with devine plans and aims like the other gods. Think of them as just like orks. In the same way that nobs are bigger and more orky than boys and warbosses bigger are more orky than nobs, gork is bigger and more orky than all of the orks, other than mork. Who is bigger and more orky than gork...

thenoobbomb wrote:Actually, Gork (or Mork) defeated Khorne in battle.

Huh, when did this happen?

Always nice to hear about the imbecile god getting his ass kicked.

jakejackel3 wrote:The two of them are even older then Khorne himself and he was the very first chaos god.

I really hate the idea that the tiny feudal population on Terra was capable of spawning Khorne when it took trillions of Eldar who are apparently 'much brighter in the warp' to have the same effect in spawning Slaanesh. GW human fanboyism strikes again!

jakejackel3 wrote:The two of them are even older then Khorne himself and he was the very first chaos god.

rthats being debated in another thread

Abstract Catalyst wrote:

jakejackel3 wrote:The two of them are even older then Khorne himself and he was the very first chaos god.

I really hate the idea that the tiny feudal population on Terra was capable of spawning Khorne when it took trillions of Eldar who are apparently 'much brighter in the warp' to have the same effect in spawning Slaanesh. GW human fanboyism strikes again!

Just because it was born at that time doesn't mean it was all their fault other races were alive in the galaxy killing each other before mankind came out of caves, the difference between Khorne and Slaanesh's birth is that Slaanesh was born fast enough to tear a hole in reality while khorne came to be slowly

Deadshot wrote:

jakejackel3 wrote:The two of them are even older then Khorne himself and he was the very first chaos god.

rthats being debated in another thread

Gimme da link, I'll crump evree' last ead' in da room! How was my ork

Generally, all the "Gods" in 40k exist. From Chaos to the Emperor to the Eldars to Gork/Mork to the C'tan.

they all did exist

some such as ther eldar gods were destoyed

the emperor is not a god.he is simply the next stage in human evolution.he is ultra psychic and abnormally strong/tough,smarter,quicker.basicaslly anything a space marine is to a human,a primarch was to a marine.what a primarch was to a mariner,he was to them.They only were given a measure of his power,to rival his in part.only all 20 primarchs would be able to match him.


to the human man,he seems like a god,but the fact is he isn't.just don't tell the SoB i said so!

To keep from being labeled a blinded fanboy I retract my statement lol

Deadshot wrote:They only were given a measure of his power,to rival his in part.only all 20 primarchs would be able to match him.

Unless he was facing Horus +1.

Horus does the gut stab and get oblivion-ated and the +1 primarch finishes the job.

But back onto the Orks. I think their gods reflect how "perfect" an ork's life is. There is no need for grand schemes. Just being is enough to be awesome.

horuas was mega upgraded by Chaos.if the raw,pure primarchs that they would have become had they not been scattered,only all 20 could match him in all thingsd

what i mean is that Alpharius and gulliman could match him in tactics,but not in 1v1 combat.
horus and gulliman were able to match him as rulers,but not on anything else,though horus could probably gave him a good workout.
Dorn and Perturabo were meant to be siegers
just while were on the topic of primarchs...

i think that the 2 lost primarchs,who performed the same role,were lost becauser 1 primarch,lets say he was joe of the Dark panthers,XI legion,got ot cheesed off with bob of the victorioso legion,II legion,for always being better

so he attacked and almost wiped them out,so they coulkdnt recover and became the FORGOTTEN.while another legion,presumably SW,were sent to purge them from extistence,making them the PURGED

sound like a good theory?


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yes i agree with that last statment about Gork and Mork.they,like other orks,believe they just have to keep hitting something untill it stays down,and then keep going.


maybe G+M are not actually gods...

orks get a growth spurt when he asserts his dominence right?so if over hundreds of years,G+M constantly won every battle,they would become god sized.and they would become invincible,because they believe it so.

Deadshot wrote:horuas was mega upgraded by Chaos.if the raw,pure primarchs that they would have become had they not been scattered,only all 20 could match him in all thingsd

what i mean is that Alpharius and gulliman could match him in tactics,but not in 1v1 combat.
horus and gulliman were able to match him as rulers,but not on anything else,though horus could probably gave him a good workout.
Dorn and Perturabo were meant to be siegers
just while were on the topic of primarchs...

i think that the 2 lost primarchs,who performed the same role,were lost becauser 1 primarch,lets say he was joe of the Dark panthers,XI legion,got ot cheesed off with bob of the victorioso legion,II legion,for always being better

so he attacked and almost wiped them out,so they coulkdnt recover and became the FORGOTTEN.while another legion,presumably SW,were sent to purge them from extistence,making them the PURGED

sound like a good theory?


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yes i agree with that last statment about Gork and Mork.they,like other orks,believe they just have to keep hitting something untill it stays down,and then keep going.


maybe G+M are not actually gods...

orks get a growth spurt when he asserts his dominence right?so if over hundreds of years,G+M constantly won every battle,they would become god sized.and they would become invincible,because they believe it so.

But then they wouldn't be warp entities just huge.

all orks are highly pyschic.they just don't know it.they believe bigger=better.so if thats the casse,whats being better mean?they couldexist in the warp simply because they are too big to be bothered by lesser daemons and because they belive they can.

Deadshot wrote:the emperor is not a god.he is simply the next stage in human evolution.

He was not a god. But he is now. See starchild in lexicanum.


Sorry I mean't WAAAGH Da Orks: rogue trader not Ere' we GO. And also I can't find it in their, about GM kicking the gurgle out of Nurgle. I might be mistaken. It just opened my eyes to how much of a fun read it is. I love the custom guns illustrations. So orky, I mean, a kombi las-cannon, missile launcher, heavy flamer. OH my, that was what orks were all about in those days. And the madboyz rules, insane.

mork and gork... prettyy much just ork gods who are liek the orks... just want to fight unnlike the chaos gods who want the spreaddeath and destruction in thier name for thier clory... mork and ork just want to spead destruction for thier amusment so just scratch out the glory part basically. but since there are so many orks and so much waaaaagghh energy... they are bigger badder and can krump anythign in the warp that we know of ... the onyl reasn they probably don't kill everything there is then theyt'd run out of things to fight

I think Gork and Mork are superstitions. Just because if the orks did believe in some tyope of god I think they would aknowledge death in some way or some form. As of now they are really one of the only races that dont see dying or getting injured as a bad thing. Just so lang as they get get anotha go!

They, as a race, pretty much can't think of death as a bad thing. They understand it fine. Death is their Orgasm. Fighting is their Sex. If they didn't want to die, the race as a whole would die out.

And yet they have fled from Yarrick, fearing for their lives.

Harriticus wrote:Generally, all the "Gods" in 40k exist. From Chaos to the Emperor to the Eldars to Gork/Mork to the C'tan.

The C'tan are not gods, they are a life form of the material universe. In 40k fluff gods are beings that exist in the Warp universe.

Deadly Hitman51 wrote:I think Gork and Mork are superstitions. Just because if the orks did believe in some tyope of god I think they would aknowledge death in some way or some form. As of now they are really one of the only races that dont see dying or getting injured as a bad thing. Just so lang as they get get anotha go!

Or you can read GW fluff that clearly says that Gork and Mork exist in the warp, or you could use the understanding of how the warp exists and the fact that Orks as a race are a massive psychic power house, so any strong belief they have will become manifest, e.g. red goes faster, blue is lucky or Gork and Mork are the gods of the orks.

GW fluff clearly states that Gork and Mork exist and it clearly states that they are massively powerful.

Something wrong happened with my quote. I don't know what though, or how to fix.


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Deadshot wrote: the emperor is not a god.he is simply the next stage in human evolution.

He was not a god. But he is now. See starchild in lexicanum.


Sorry I mean't WAAAGH Da Orks: rogue trader not Ere' we GO. And also I can't find it in there, about GM kicking the gurgle out of Nurgle. I might be mistaken. It just opened my eyes to how much of a fun read it is. I love the custom guns illustrations. So orky, I mean, a kombi las-cannon, missile launcher, heavy flamer. OH my, that was what orks were all about in those days. And the madboyz rules, insane.

HandsNFeetFace wrote:Are Gork and Mork real beings in the 40k universe or they just Orky superstition?

Just like Khorne and Tzeentch are.


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BluntmanDC wrote:The C'tan are not gods, they are a life form of the material universe.

THey are referred to in canon as "C'tan Stargods". IE, they're gods of the stars, rather than of the warp.

Khorne and Tzeentch are Orky Superstition? I don't think Orks can even physically pronounce Tzeentch