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BluntmanDC wrote:The C'tan are not gods, they are a life form of the material universe. In 40k fluff gods are beings that exist in the Warp universe.

They can and have created live (Deceiver in particular is mentioned to have dabbled in such things), the laws of physics are what they want them to be at any given time, they are completely immortal and are even older than Chaos, every source of fluff refers to them as "gods" and their powers as "godlike," so while they are not gods of a similar make as Warp entities are, they are effectively still "gods," just ones existing in the MAterium, rather than the Immaterium.

Anvildude wrote:Khorne and Tzeentch are Orky Superstition? I don't think Orks can even physically pronounce Tzeentch

Sure we can

Cinch

Dere yer go

Void__Dragon wrote:

thenoobbomb wrote:Actually, Gork (or Mork) defeated Khorne in battle.

Huh, when did this happen?

Always nice to hear about the imbecile god getting his ass kicked.

Ive heard lotsa people talk aqbout it ^^

I think they would pronounce it somewhere along the lines of 'Feenf'

From the background presented in Waaagh! the Orks and similarly ancient Warhammer 40,000 supplements, I would infer that, just as Khorne, Slaanesh and chums were created and are empowered by the more complex emotions and dreams of other races, Gork and Mork embody the Orks' principal motivation for all things: Orkiness.

A short passage in Freebooters even depicts their interactions with the other gods of the warp - unsurprisingly these comprise clobbering or ignoring them. Interestingly enough, the Emperor is one of those gods...

He,as a starchild,has the warp interaction level of a Daemon Lord.Now that he is entirely warpbound,he is the equivilent of a god.However he is not a god in the sense the Dark Gods are,which can never be destroyed.He can be killed.

Deadshot wrote:He,as a starchild,has the warp interaction level of a Daemon Lord.Now that he is entirely warpbound,he is the equivilent of a god.However he is not a god in the sense the Dark Gods are,which can never be destroyed.He can be killed.

Sources for these statements?

A very reliable store manger and his underlings?

To me,a god is an indestructable being.The emperor can die.


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Void__Dragon wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:The C'tan are not gods, they are a life form of the material universe. In 40k fluff gods are beings that exist in the Warp universe.

They can and have created live (Deceiver in particular is mentioned to have dabbled in such things), the laws of physics are what they want them to be at any given time, they are completely immortal and are even older than Chaos, every source of fluff refers to them as "gods" and their powers as "godlike," so while they are not gods of a similar make as Warp entities are, they are effectively still "gods," just ones existing in the MAterium, rather than the Immaterium.

The warp kills them from the merest touch.

Deadshot wrote:A very reliable store manger and his underlings?

To me,a god is an indestructable being.The emperor can die.

However well-informed you may consider them, the opinions of a redshirt are of negligible canonical value, they're the geek's equivalent of 'A bloke told me in the pub...'.

Deadshot wrote:A very reliable store manger and his underlings?

To me,a god is an indestructable being.The emperor can die.


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Void__Dragon wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:The C'tan are not gods, they are a life form of the material universe. In 40k fluff gods are beings that exist in the Warp universe.

They can and have created live (Deceiver in particular is mentioned to have dabbled in such things), the laws of physics are what they want them to be at any given time, they are completely immortal and are even older than Chaos, every source of fluff refers to them as "gods" and their powers as "godlike," so while they are not gods of a similar make as Warp entities are, they are effectively still "gods," just ones existing in the MAterium, rather than the Immaterium.

The warp kills them from the merest touch.

The warp hurts them, yes, but it does not destroy them with the merest touch. If it did one shot from a wraithcannon/Shokk attack gun/anything else that uses the warp woud irrevocably destroy one.

It doesn't. If it did the ctan would all be long since dead, since the Old Ones were Warp specialists.

The warp is anathema to them, not antimatter.

'a·nath·e·ma   /əˈnæθəmə/ Show Spelled[uh-nath-uh-muh]
noun, plural -mas.
1. a person or thing detested or loathed: That subject is anathema to him.'

They loathe and detest it. It hurts them, and they can't manipulate it.

Unless you have a source saying specifically that a Ctan that steps on a nurgling (for example) implodes, as daemons are made from pure warpstuff?

Deadshot wrote:A very reliable store manger and his underlings?

To me,a god is an indestructable being.The emperor can die.


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Void__Dragon wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:The C'tan are not gods, they are a life form of the material universe. In 40k fluff gods are beings that exist in the Warp universe.

They can and have created live (Deceiver in particular is mentioned to have dabbled in such things), the laws of physics are what they want them to be at any given time, they are completely immortal and are even older than Chaos, every source of fluff refers to them as "gods" and their powers as "godlike," so while they are not gods of a similar make as Warp entities are, they are effectively still "gods," just ones existing in the MAterium, rather than the Immaterium.

The warp kills them from the merest touch.

The Eldar gods died, Ctan die when they eat each other or starve, the chaos gods would have died if the Necrons successfully cut off the warp Or tyranids nom all sentient life.. All gods in 40K can die.

Deadshot wrote:A very reliable store manger and his underlings?

To me,a god is an indestructable being.The emperor can die.


The warp kills them from the merest touch.

The immaterium merely hurts the C'tan, hence Vaul creating the Blackstone Fortresses in order to fire ridiculous amounts of warp energy at the C'tan. As of so far, the Talisman's of Vaul are the only methods confirmed to kill C'tan.

And I don't know if it was you that said it - but the Chaos Gods can die due to lack of worship, and they can also dwindle in power. The C'tan are far more powerful than the Chaos Gods in almost all contexts with regards to their impact on the Materium, hell, even the Old Ones feared them. The C'tan are, arguably, the most powerful beings in the universe.

I know not of which yoo speak,but I misinterpreted the C'tan's relationship with the warp.

Abstract Catalyst wrote:

Deadshot wrote:A very reliable store manger and his underlings?

To me,a god is an indestructable being.The emperor can die.


The warp kills them from the merest touch.

The immaterium merely hurts the C'tan, hence Vaul creating the Blackstone Fortresses in order to fire ridiculous amounts of warp energy at the C'tan. As of so far, the Talisman's of Vaul are the only methods confirmed to kill C'tan.

And I don't know if it was you that said it - but the Chaos Gods can die due to lack of worship, and they can also dwindle in power. The C'tan are far more powerful than the Chaos Gods in almost all contexts with regards to their impact on the Materium, hell, even the Old Ones feared them. The C'tan are, arguably, the most powerful beings in the universe.

Say 'were' any you might be closer. Right now they are severely weakened, and working to regain strength, or imprisoned, and working on getting out.

In the materium they have the edge, even now, but they aren't what they used to be yet.

I don't fear C'tan,because I know enough Assault termies beat the living daylights outta them!

Um, no.

They don't

Lightning claw termies can't even hurt them.

TH/SS termies will go last, with the Ctan ignoring their saves and S 10 (9 for deciever) obliterating them. If you had several units piling on (and somehow magically being within 2'' of base to base) you might take one down like a chump, but the Necon player would have to be a moron to let that happen.

The Deciever can even opt not to bother fighting them and leave combat untouched.

I've never lost a Ctan to terminators in CC.


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even if you do down one it's not dead, either. It's shell is broken, and it goes to put a new suit on

Deadshot wrote:The warp kills them from the merest touch.

I guess that's why multiple (13, I think) Talismans of Vaul/Blackstone fortresses, each one a massive warship capable of firing raw Immaterium with enough power to at the least destroy a sun, firing on the Void Dragon killed it, right?

Only they didn't, it was merely weakened, which was why the Emperor was able to imprison it on Mars.

If it were so easy to kill the C'tan, the Old Ones and their child races would have crushed them.

Deadshot wrote:
To me,a god is an indestructable being.The emperor can die.

So could the Greek gods. Things being unable to die does NOT a god make.

The Greek gods can't die.Like the Chaos Gods,they just vanished if they weren't worshiped.The difference is just existing causes Tzeentch to be worshipped,becasue you are getting older,which is change,and not existing is changing the number of people in a place.Nurgle can give you a cold to make you worship him.Even enjoying yourself is Slaaneshi worship.Most beings must fight,so that's Khorne.

The C'tan have a plan to kill the Chaos Gods, and the Necron codex makes it clear this would work. Therefore they can die.

Greek Gods have also been killed, as have Titans, and other such gods.

Deadshot wrote:The Greek gods can't die.Like the Chaos Gods,they just vanished if they weren't worshiped.

Really? Read some Greek myth: the deaths of Adonis, Dionysus and Orpheus are pretty significant mythemes. Not to mention Uranus and Cronos, both of whom perish in the Classical Greek creation myth.

The "dying god" concept is a common motif in ancient religions - and indeed in a few prominent ones still extant - so try thinking before you type.

Ditto in norse myth.

Half the norse gods die in the final fight, and some die earlier, like Baldur.

Don't basically all Norse deities besides Nidhoggr die in Ragnarok?

Just about

I'm a little rusty on the myth.

Ragnarok hasn't happened yet, other than as a GWAR album, as far as I know. Maybe next year?

Can Chaos Gods die? Sorta... but it takes extremely extenuating circumstances to make it happen... like the creator of the Chaos God in question fething off from GW and taking his Chaos God(s) with him.

Ascalam wrote:

Deadshot wrote:A very reliable store manger and his underlings?

To me,a god is an indestructable being.The emperor can die.


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Void__Dragon wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:The C'tan are not gods, they are a life form of the material universe. In 40k fluff gods are beings that exist in the Warp universe.

They can and have created live (Deceiver in particular is mentioned to have dabbled in such things), the laws of physics are what they want them to be at any given time, they are completely immortal and are even older than Chaos, every source of fluff refers to them as "gods" and their powers as "godlike," so while they are not gods of a similar make as Warp entities are, they are effectively still "gods," just ones existing in the MAterium, rather than the Immaterium.

The warp kills them from the merest touch.

The warp hurts them, yes, but it does not destroy them with the merest touch. If it did one shot from a wraithcannon/Shokk attack gun/anything else that uses the warp woud irrevocably destroy one.

It doesn't. If it did the ctan would all be long since dead, since the Old Ones were Warp specialists.

The warp is anathema to them, not antimatter.

'a·nath·e·ma   /əˈnæθəmə/ Show Spelled[uh-nath-uh-muh]
noun, plural -mas.
1. a person or thing detested or loathed: That subject is anathema to him.'

They loathe and detest it. It hurts them, and they can't manipulate it.

Unless you have a source saying specifically that a Ctan that steps on a nurgling (for example) implodes, as daemons are made from pure warpstuff?

I don't know if Warp-energy actually "hurts" C'tan, but what we do know is that C'tan an not impose any sort of influence over the Warp at all.
I was under the impression that the Blackstone Fortresses were massive Warp-hole generators. The C'tan would be sucked into the Warp and be trapped there for all eternity in utter isolation, as with what happened to the Bringer of Night. It's a fate worse than death.

Void__Dragon wrote:Don't basically all Norse deities besides Nidhoggr die in Ragnarok?

Many do, but not all. The main ones that were worshipped do, but they are supplanted by their 'kids' in many respects:


Magni and Modi - sons of Thor, inherit his hammer
Vidar and Villi - sons of Odin, I believe they inherit his throne
Baldur - Self Resurects ala Christ, and ushers in a golden age
Honir - Survives

Plus two humans survive, repopulate the Earth, and all evil is destroyed. Basically a utopian 'after life' comes about.

Ironsight wrote:I don't know if Warp-energy actually "hurts" C'tan, but what we do know is that C'tan an not impose any sort of influence over the Warp at all.
I was under the impression that the Blackstone Fortresses were massive Warp-hole generators. The C'tan would be sucked into the Warp and be trapped there for all eternity in utter isolation, as with what happened to the Bringer of Night. It's a fate worse than death.

The Nightbringer?

The Nightbringer isn't trapped in the Warp, after being released by the Ultramarines (Epic failure lololol), it fled Pavonis to a distant place in the galaxy to feed on stars, to regain some of its loss strength.

If he's trapped in the warp, who's leading my army and curbstomping all those terminators for me

4 Ctan are still out there.

Nightbringer- Was on Pavonis, now building up strength and eating suns

Deciever- No-one's sure where he was holed up, but he's been out for ages, posing as a god to young races, messing with the imperium and generally kicking back.

Outsider- generally thought to be in a dyson sphere outside the galaxy.

Dragon- Sleeping under the Noctis Labarinth on Mars, and being the Machine god to a bunch of semi-literate primates with pretentions

The Deceiver is apparently a Planetary Governor at the moment.