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Hi All,

All of the events are online for 40K and Warhammer Fantasy, including the rules packets.

SoCal Smackdown events are being run by Adam from the Orange County Hammer & Bolter Leauge. The rules packets are up for both the fantasy and 40K events.

To see the packets, please visit: http://socalsmackdown.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=144&catid=45

If anyone has any questions, please contact Adam at adam@socalsmackdown.com

This should be a great event with lots of fun and prizes.

Best,
Adam

Who is the savvy tournament veteran that thought it would be a good idea to play a 2000 point game in 1 hour 45 minutes?

I have a question...
...okay, I have two of them:
1.) What exactly is the painting matrix that is going to be used? My army was not paimted by me, I freely admit that; but I am wondering how much that is going to hurt me.
2.) What exactly is the Comp score based off of? I run an almost all Termimator a Deathwing army...
....How much is that going to effect me?

Both are mentioned in the packet with no clear definition given.

I emailed them the same questions Magilla. They said the guidelines would be posted to the site the packets on later this week. Everything looks good to me except 1h 45min rounds.

Grimgob wrote: Everything looks good to me except 1h 45min rounds.

I can do that....
...oh wait, I play Deathwing.

Blackmoor wrote:Who is the savvy tournament veteran that thought it would be a good idea to play a 2000 point game in 1 hour 45 minutes?

Interesting that much of the material is a direct lift from our packets from last year (including the reroll token and soft score terminology) but they didn't copy the round times...
Can't say I am thrilled that they are trying to schedule a Fantasy GT right on top of ours a half hour down the road, but I guess Adam is still pretty salty about us accepting a more stable deal with the Strategicon group, despite claims to the contrary. Guess its my own fault, since I accepted his request and emailed him all of our old packets to give him some ideas, I just wasn't expecting an attempt to donkey punch our Fantasy GT.

Oh well, if you are playing small model count lists, the 40k GT might be worth checking out (we are just doing one day things, so no conflict there), but I am certainly not going to endorse a competing Fantasy event on the same day that tries to do 2500 point games in 105 minute rounds. The only thing I can think of is that the new hotel must have limits on how long the event rooms can be open, or something. I mean, there is no accounting for time to do pairings between rounds and the round times run parallel in both game systems, so this is not possibly going to run at the schedule they have set. I think those round times will end up being at least 90 minutes longer than they are listed, unless the hotel has limited their time in the room, especially since this is (to my knowledge) Adam's first time running a two day event for 40k or Fantasy. He may have taken my suggestion and gotten some assistance from the Broadside folks, though, so it could be a tight run ship the day of.

I guess it wouldn't be the LA gaming scene if there wasn't drama and balkanization!

Magilla Gurilla wrote:

Grimgob wrote: Everything looks good to me except 1h 45min rounds.

I can do that....
...oh wait, I play Deathwing.

You can finish a game in that time but can your opponent? You play a larger army and you are looking at ending on turn #3

Phazael wrote:

Blackmoor wrote:Who is the savvy tournament veteran that thought it would be a good idea to play a 2000 point game in 1 hour 45 minutes?

Interesting that much of the material is a direct lift from our packets from last year (including the reroll token and soft score terminology) but they didn't copy the round times...
Can't say I am thrilled that they are trying to schedule a Fantasy GT right on top of ours a half hour down the road, but I guess Adam is still pretty salty about us accepting a more stable deal with the Strategicon group, despite claims to the contrary. Guess its my own fault, since I accepted his request and emailed him all of our old packets to give him some ideas, I just wasn't expecting an attempt to donkey punch our Fantasy GT.

Oh well, if you are playing small model count lists, the 40k GT might be worth checking out (we are just doing one day things, so no conflict there), but I am certainly not going to endorse a competing Fantasy event on the same day that tries to do 2500 point games in 105 minute rounds. The only thing I can think of is that the new hotel must have limits on how long the event rooms can be open, or something. I mean, there is no accounting for time to do pairings between rounds and the round times run parallel in both game systems, so this is not possibly going to run at the schedule they have set. I think those round times will end up being at least 90 minutes longer than they are listed, unless the hotel has limited their time in the room, especially since this is (to my knowledge) Adam's first time running a two day event for 40k or Fantasy. He may have taken my suggestion and gotten some assistance from the Broadside folks, though, so it could be a tight run ship the day of.

I guess it wouldn't be the LA gaming scene if there wasn't drama and balkanization!

Q, given Adam's history, how is any of this surprising in the least. He still lists sponsors on his site that want nothing to do with his event, so he can try and trade on their good names. He is still trying to con people into laughable "deals" to run events at his con (the first group he talked to, he wanted to charge 500 dollars and badge costs for staff for the privilege of running a 40K GT for him). It does not surprise me in the least that he is plagiarizing parts of another group's packets and then trying to cannibalize their event.

This clown isn't just trying to do this with gaming, he tried a similar stunt earlier in the summer with an anime/sci-fi con the same weekend as anime expo, and got several companies from Japan to sink way too much into it before they realizes that his promise of thousands of attendees was not going to happen. He seems to think he is going to make a lot of money cannibalizing established geek events.

Blackmoor wrote:

Magilla Gurilla wrote:

Grimgob wrote: Everything looks good to me except 1h 45min rounds.

I can do that....
...oh wait, I play Deathwing.

You can finish a game in that time but can your opponent? You play a larger army and you are looking at ending on turn #3

Agree.
As I have that weekend off, I will give it a try as I can catch a ride with a friend who is going for the Malifaux.

Everyone gets one chance.

Lets start with the basics, we will be updating the timing to 2 hours per round.

We just spoke with GW who is fully supporting us for both the 40K and Fantasy events.

Winners of both the 40K and Fantasy two-day event will be given an invitation to the Throne & Skulls.

In addition, there are following gift certificates available to the GW online store for the winners of both two-day tournaments.

$150 - first place
$100 - second place
$50 - third place

The composition and rules matrix will be up later this week.

If anyone wants to know more please PM me.

adamr714 wrote:Lets start with the basics, we will be updating the timing to 2 hours per round.

We just spoke with GW who is fully supporting us for both the 40K and Fantasy events.

Winners of both the 40K and Fantasy two-day event will be given an invitation to the Throne & Skulls.

In addition, there are following gift certificates available to the GW online store for the winners of both two-day tournaments.

$150 - first place
$100 - second place
$50 - third place

The composition and rules matrix will be up later this week.

If anyone wants to know more please PM me.

Sounds good to me!
Especially since I already paid for the event!

sharkticon wrote:

Phazael wrote:

Blackmoor wrote:Who is the savvy tournament veteran that thought it would be a good idea to play a 2000 point game in 1 hour 45 minutes?

Interesting that much of the material is a direct lift from our packets from last year (including the reroll token and soft score terminology) but they didn't copy the round times...
Can't say I am thrilled that they are trying to schedule a Fantasy GT right on top of ours a half hour down the road, but I guess Adam is still pretty salty about us accepting a more stable deal with the Strategicon group, despite claims to the contrary. Guess its my own fault, since I accepted his request and emailed him all of our old packets to give him some ideas, I just wasn't expecting an attempt to donkey punch our Fantasy GT.

Oh well, if you are playing small model count lists, the 40k GT might be worth checking out (we are just doing one day things, so no conflict there), but I am certainly not going to endorse a competing Fantasy event on the same day that tries to do 2500 point games in 105 minute rounds. The only thing I can think of is that the new hotel must have limits on how long the event rooms can be open, or something. I mean, there is no accounting for time to do pairings between rounds and the round times run parallel in both game systems, so this is not possibly going to run at the schedule they have set. I think those round times will end up being at least 90 minutes longer than they are listed, unless the hotel has limited their time in the room, especially since this is (to my knowledge) Adam's first time running a two day event for 40k or Fantasy. He may have taken my suggestion and gotten some assistance from the Broadside folks, though, so it could be a tight run ship the day of.

I guess it wouldn't be the LA gaming scene if there wasn't drama and balkanization!

Q, given Adam's history, how is any of this surprising in the least. He still lists sponsors on his site that want nothing to do with his event, so he can try and trade on their good names. He is still trying to con people into laughable "deals" to run events at his con (the first group he talked to, he wanted to charge 500 dollars and badge costs for staff for the privilege of running a 40K GT for him). It does not surprise me in the least that he is plagiarizing parts of another group's packets and then trying to cannibalize their event.

This clown isn't just trying to do this with gaming, he tried a similar stunt earlier in the summer with an anime/sci-fi con the same weekend as anime expo, and got several companies from Japan to sink way too much into it before they realizes that his promise of thousands of attendees was not going to happen. He seems to think he is going to make a lot of money cannibalizing established geek events.

Not sure where you are getting you facts, but please lets get them straight for everyone benefit:
1. Not sure what sponsors you are talking about as all of them signed-n last year and NONE of them have asked to be taken off the site. If they do I will be happy to remove the.
2. The only group we spoke to about runing a GT last year was Quinton, and we didn't charge anyone running events anything.
3. We do copy a lot of different formats and we do write our own too. The re-roll token is something that we did for the last two years for Privateer Press events.
4. AnimeExpo wasn't our event nor were we involved with the planning or talking to sponsors for it. We were approached, wanted to run events, but due to space we pulled out as there wasn't room for table-top gaming.

If anyone wants more details, please PM me or email me at adam [at] socalsmackdown.com


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Phazael wrote:

Blackmoor wrote:Who is the savvy tournament veteran that thought it would be a good idea to play a 2000 point game in 1 hour 45 minutes?

Interesting that much of the material is a direct lift from our packets from last year (including the reroll token and soft score terminology) but they didn't copy the round times...
Can't say I am thrilled that they are trying to schedule a Fantasy GT right on top of ours a half hour down the road, but I guess Adam is still pretty salty about us accepting a more stable deal with the Strategicon group, despite claims to the contrary. Guess its my own fault, since I accepted his request and emailed him all of our old packets to give him some ideas, I just wasn't expecting an attempt to donkey punch our Fantasy GT.

Oh well, if you are playing small model count lists, the 40k GT might be worth checking out (we are just doing one day things, so no conflict there), but I am certainly not going to endorse a competing Fantasy event on the same day that tries to do 2500 point games in 105 minute rounds. The only thing I can think of is that the new hotel must have limits on how long the event rooms can be open, or something. I mean, there is no accounting for time to do pairings between rounds and the round times run parallel in both game systems, so this is not possibly going to run at the schedule they have set. I think those round times will end up being at least 90 minutes longer than they are listed, unless the hotel has limited their time in the room, especially since this is (to my knowledge) Adam's first time running a two day event for 40k or Fantasy. He may have taken my suggestion and gotten some assistance from the Broadside folks, though, so it could be a tight run ship the day of.

I guess it wouldn't be the LA gaming scene if there wasn't drama and balkanization!

Again, please lets facts straight:
1. Quinton, you agreed in front of numerous people, at the end of the last SoCal Smackdown to run the GT for us and then you pulled out. No big deal, but we wish you would have told us before the GT deadline at the end of Dec. So you already knew what we were doing and realistically at this point, you really scheduled against us....but no hard feelings from our end.

2. You sent me the packets, but almost nothing is the same...please take a look again. The things that do match yours are taken from it and numerous other packages where you must have also gained your inspiration for them.

3. The hotel has nothing to do with it for timing as we are running games starting at 5 on Friday and running straight through Monday at 5. We talked to a lot of people that said it was enough time, but we have change rounds to 2 hours. We are happy to listen and change.

4. As far as running events, I have been running tournaments for different games for more than a decade. Anyone that has any questions about our events and if they are professional, please call the LA Battle Bunker and they will let you know.

Last year for Privateer we ran two-day tournaments and they were well received, we decided to do the same this year for GW.

Like I said in the earlier post, if anyone has any questions or comments, please PM me or email me at adam [at] socalsmackdown.com

adamr714 wrote:
3. The hotel has nothing to do with it for timing as we are running games starting at 5 on Friday and running straight through Monday at 5. We talked to a lot of people that said it was enough time, but we have change rounds to 2 hours. We are happy to listen and change.

This just show you don't play warhammer or 40k at all. "We talked with a lot of people" is more like a lie. Anyone play warhammer or 40k at an event knew they need 2 hour min to play. I am not sure by lying is the best method to get anything solve or clean up the misunderstanding.

tyllon wrote:
3. The hotel has nothing to do with it for timing as we are running games starting at 5 on Friday and running straight through Monday at 5. We talked to a lot of people that said it was enough time, but we have change rounds to 2 hours. We are happy to listen and change.

This is what I was talking about. If you knew 40k, you know that you can't do 2000 points in 2 hours (sure some armies can, but some can't). That was the biggest problem that came out of Wargames Con was they tried 2000 points in 2 hours. You need over 2 hours to play a 2000 point game (2.5 hours might be ideal for a 2k game). It would have also been fine to play 1500 points at 1 hour 45 minutes.

I would recommend that if you want to stay at 2 hours per round you lower your point limit to around 1750 points.

adamr714 wrote:
1. Not sure what sponsors you are talking about as all of them signed-n last year and NONE of them have asked to be taken off the site. If they do I will be happy to remove the.

Funny, I know of at least one group that has raised questions about why they are still on the site.

2. The only group we spoke to about runing a GT last year was Quinton, and we didn't charge anyone running events anything.

Possible BS, I was in the room at the battle bunker when you talked to the GiP people, that's why I know the numbers. I admit you never used the term GT but you were asking for a ridiculous amount of money to run 40K events for you.

4. AnimeExpo wasn't our event nor were we involved with the planning or talking to sponsors for it. We were approached, wanted to run events, but due to space we pulled out as there wasn't room for table-top gaming.

I didn't say you were involved in AX, I said that you were involved in AM2, which was the same focus, same weekend, similar to what you are doing to SoCal Slaughter and Strategicon. You're involvement with AM2 was one of the first things mentioned to me about it by a pair of catalyst games reps.

Like Tyllon said, stretching the truth to various degrees may not be the best way to handle this.

I do have to admit that in my experience 2 hours for 2,500 points of WHFB is more than just a stretch... and 40k's pretty fast so even 2 hours and 30 minutes for WHFB might not cut it...

sharkticon wrote:

adamr714 wrote:
1. Not sure what sponsors you are talking about as all of them signed-n last year and NONE of them have asked to be taken off the site. If they do I will be happy to remove the.

Funny, I know of at least one group that has raised questions about why they are still on the site.

2. The only group we spoke to about runing a GT last year was Quinton, and we didn't charge anyone running events anything.

Possible BS, I was in the room at the battle bunker when you talked to the GiP people, that's why I know the numbers. I admit you never used the term GT but you were asking for a ridiculous amount of money to run 40K events for you.

4. AnimeExpo wasn't our event nor were we involved with the planning or talking to sponsors for it. We were approached, wanted to run events, but due to space we pulled out as there wasn't room for table-top gaming.

I didn't say you were involved in AX, I said that you were involved in AM2, which was the same focus, same weekend, similar to what you are doing to SoCal Slaughter and Strategicon. You're involvement with AM2 was one of the first things mentioned to me about it by a pair of catalyst games reps.

Like Tyllon said, stretching the truth to various degrees may not be the best way to handle this.

Facts...
1. You must be talking about Games I Play. I spoke to Brian last month and they aren't involved with Smackdown, but never asked to be taken off the site. If they want off the site, they just need to ask.
2. I spoke to GiP about 40K and Fantasy this year, however there was no money being asked for to run events. The amount was $350 and it was for a space in the dealer room like last year, which hasn't gone up. We also talked about them keeping all the fees for the tournaments, which they ran, same deal we did with Q last year. We would never charge an organizer to run a tournament.
3. Sorry, same answer as before but with AM2. Our entire involvement was we were asked to run events at it, which we didn't do.

For SoCal Smackdown, we looked for a three-day weekend, that is our crime. I haven't lied or told half-truths anywhere in here.

I will put it up to the majority for Fantasy and the time limit for 2,500 points. We can still move it to 2.5 hour rounds if that is what the majority wants.

sharkticon & Phazael: I understand that it can be frustrating to feel like someone has copied some portions of your own tournament rules and then is using them to run an event during the same weekend...but such is life. You've made your points and he has made his rebuttals, so from here on out I'd prefer if you'd take any further personal issues between you guys into some sort of private medium (like PMs or email).

At the end of the day the best run event always tends to win out.


adamr714:

I personally wouldn't consider playing in your event with the current round schedule. 1hr 45min for 2,000 points is a joke to me and 2 hour rounds for 2,000 points is still insanely unfun IMHO as you have a high likelyhood of not finishing your games unless you're playing a teeny-tiny army (and so is your opponent)...and if you do manage to finish your games in this time its likely because you're playing like an absolute mad-man to do so...which isn't my personal idea of fun. There's enough events out there nowadays that I'm drawing my own line in the sand and I'm just not going to bother attending events that don't give players the time to have an enjoyable game for the points values being used and IMHO 2 1/2 hours is the minimum needed to do that for 2,000 point armies.


Also, looking at your sample missions, they are an absolute mess. I know they're just samples, but if they're any indication of what your missions might look like then I'd be really afraid to attend. I'll give you some examples of what I'm talking about:


Mission #1:

Objective: It says to randomize which sections of the table have the artifacts. What the heck does this mean? It also says these are considered the primary objectives. What the heck does that mean (no other mention is made of primary or secondary objectives in the mission)?

Is the only way to contest an objective with a scoring unit unlike standard 40K rules which allow any unit to contest an objective? If so, why would you change this basic tenant of 40K 5th edition?

You should also probably mention what constitutes a draw (even though its pretty obvious).


Set-up: It says that the player who chooses their home quarter must deploy their entire army as one placement. What does this mean for infiltrators? Can units be put into reserve and/or outflank, deep strike, etc? The other two missions specifically say that infiltration, deep strike, etc, are allowed but this mission does not...does this mean these rules aren't allowed in this mission?


Bonus Battle Points: How exactly do you control more table quarters to get that bonus point? Do scoring units have to be entirely or only partially in a deployment zone to avoid that negative bonus point? What exactly is your commander? And giving people -1 bonus point for NOT getting a scoring unit in their opponent's deployment zone? Really? Do you really think that every army type should fairly able to get a scoring unit in their opponent's deployment zone?



Mission #2:

Objective: Is the only way to contest an objective with a scoring unit unlike standard 40K rules which allow any unit to contest an objective? If so, why would you change this basic tenant of 40K 5th edition?

To win this game do you really have to capture BOTH objectives as the mission seems to suggest? That seems utterly harsh. And what happens if one player captures one objective but their opponent captures none? Is this a draw or what? You need to clearly define what a win is and what constitutes a draw.


Scenario Special Rules: You mention that infiltrate (which isn't technically even a mission special rule anymore), Deep Strike & Night-fighting are used. does this mean reserves, including outflanking is not allowed?

And Night-Fighting for a whole game? Are you crazy? That's just nutballs for 5th edition...you're basically just handing the win to certain armies by including this rule for the whole game on this mission.


Set-up: Same issues with the wording here as with Mission #1.


Bonus Battle Points: Same issues with the wording here as with Mission #1.



Mission #3:

Objective: In the 2nd paragraph here, you totally mix up your terminology. The first sentence indicates that you're accruing kill points for killing UNITS, but then the rest of the paragraph seems to suggest you're only getting points for wiping out whole force organization choices. If the latter is true (which it seems to be), then you need to completely remove any reference to 'unit' from these rules as you are NOT getting points for destroying units but ONLY for wiping out whole force organization choices.

And IMHO, that mission is absolutely slowed. It means an entire IG platoon...every squad & every Chimera must be completely wiped out to get any points and its only worth...one point. Basically it will be a game of hiding one part of your force org choice somewhere safe and then rushing the other part forward knowing the enemy can't get any points from killing it. What a terrible game that would be!

Also, what constitutes a win, loss or draw in this mission?


Scenario Special Rules: Ummm, what is concealment? Perhaps this is a 4th edition mission you've badly updated for 5th edition?

As with mission #2, you mention that infiltrate (which isn't technically even a mission special rule anymore) and Deep Strike are used. does this mean reserves, including outflanking is not allowed?


Set-up: Same issues with the wording here as with Mission #1 & #2.


Bonus Battle Points: Same issues with the wording here as with Mission #1 & #2.



Anyway, that's my feedback. I do not think I will be attending as your time schedule and sample missions give me every indication that this is not the kind of event I'm interested in attending.


Good luck, though!

adamr714 wrote:

Facts...
1. You must be talking about Games I Play. I spoke to Brian last month and they aren't involved with Smackdown, but never asked to be taken off the site. If they want off the site, they just need to ask.
2. I spoke to GiP about 40K and Fantasy this year, however there was no money being asked for to run events. The amount was $350 and it was for a space in the dealer room like last year, which hasn't gone up. We also talked about them keeping all the fees for the tournaments, which they ran, same deal we did with Q last year. We would never charge an organizer to run a tournament.
3. Sorry, same answer as before but with AM2. Our entire involvement was we were asked to run events at it, which we didn't do.

For SoCal Smackdown, we looked for a three-day weekend, that is our crime. I haven't lied or told half-truths anywhere in here.

I will put it up to the majority for Fantasy and the time limit for 2,500 points. We can still move it to 2.5 hour rounds if that is what the majority wants.

adamr714 wrote:
3. The hotel has nothing to do with it for timing as we are running games starting at 5 on Friday and running straight through Monday at 5. We talked to a lot of people that said it was enough time, but we have change rounds to 2 hours. We are happy to listen and change.

This statement itself is an lie. If " We talked to a lot of people that said it was enough time" happened then you knew 1.45 is not enough. The rest, I can't said any mistatement or care to find out. Anyone play 40k or warhammer knew 1.45 is not enough time for a round.

I'm not trying to be negative here, just my two cents.

2k needs 2.5 hours to be fun. You also need at least 15 minutes between rounds and that is if you run things very smoothly and get pairings done fast, which doesn't usually happen in battle point missions.

Writing your own missions is a recipe for disaster. As yak pointed out, they leave too much ambiguity and are usually very imbalanced. Book missions work great. Nova missions or adepticon missions also work great. What you have now, won't.

Like I said, just my two cents.

@ all concerned:
Just to wrap this all up, and quell any rumors-
Adam and Henry offered us a descent deal to run the event we did for them last year and we were very pleased with how the Smackdown proceeded last year. Strategicon simply offered us a long term stable deal that we had to take, given the options before us. I had wanted to repeat the Smackdown, but running two events the same weekend was beyond our capacity and Strategicon, understandably, did not want us running competing events either.

Adam was upset by this, partly from the timing, which I understand and I am solely responsible for. I had a limited time in which to finalize a decission for the event venue. I was fine endorsing their running of a 40k GT that weekend and have (up until this thread) offered verbal support for that event. At Adam's request, I also sent him copies of every event packet we have put out in the last four years to give him some ideas to work from, which is where some of the soft scoring and such came from. A third party who loves to stir up drama led Adam to believe we were not being genuine in speaking positively about the Smackdown, which is demonstrably false as Scott even talked about it at the Bay Area Open to people. I have continously (even in this thread) recommended to people that who want to play in a 40k GT in two weeks to check out the Smackdown.

Where I take issue is the addition of the Fantasy GT on the same exact weekend as our Fantasy event, which is going to do zero to help an already flagging Fantasy community. Since Adam and Henry insist on going head to head with the Strategicon group and doing an event on the same weekend (I have suggested Thanksgiving Weekend in the past, since there would be no competiting event), my recommendation to Adam has always been that he run a 40k GT and two one day Fantasy events. This would prevent us from competing with each other for the same limited player base. I even went as far as to recommend various people to assist him in running the events, notably the Broadside guys and the Chosen, who probably would have given him the same advice.

How or why he decided to add a Fantasy GT this week, I cannot say, but it does bother me since we have been referring 40k players interested in a GT to him in good faith.

Anyhow, those are the basic facts as I understand them. Sorry to muck up the thread Yak, but I want the facts known and public so that people don't come up with a bunch of conjecture and cause drama based on it.

@Topic
If there is no limit on the time you have the room, then you need to extend the round length to 2.5 hours for the point levels you are choosing. Furthermore, you need to stagger the Fantasy and 40k times or you will end up behind all day trying to schedule rounds.

Also, if you are going to use non-book scenarios, they need to all be available for people to test with and build lists. Nothing will equal the nerd rage of someone who brings Footdar or Horde Orks, when you spring an unexpected "requires mobility" style mission on them out of left field. If the missions are all posted, then flawed or not, people can make the nessecary adjustments to their list to compete.

Latest news I have herd:

Rounds will be 2h30min, so now there is plenty of time to finish your rounds.

Missions, they will be using a mix of Adepticon and book missions so now they will be balanced to all armys.

Bonus points, are now going to be more balanced and I think they are making it so only one opponant will be able to claim the points each match.

It sounds like they are really listening and want to put on an event that the community can get behind. Also its sounding alot better and I hope more of the tourny regulars will come. Plus its only 10$ plus con registration which is pretty cheap including that it now has a golden ticket for the wienners.

I'll see ya there if you're rollin Levi!

Great have to face Grimgobs Orks again!

Nothing like getting shot to death by orks!

I will be there.

Any fantasy players in this thread?

I'll be showing up with Dwarfs, for whatever it's worth.

Any word on the new and updated player packet?

Sorry, Bronchitis got in the way this week. Working on it and should have it up by Monday.

Time is now:2h30min per round
Missions: Adepticon (with permission) + book missions

Adam - Could you please include the comp and painting matrix?
I am taking my Deathwing no matter what, just want to see how bad I am gonna get hammered!

This also applies to the Fantasy tournament as well correct?

Magilla Gurilla wrote:Adam - Could you please include the comp and painting matrix?
I am taking my Deathwing no matter what, just want to see how bad I am gonna get hammered!

Their isn't a Comp matrix, but there is a sportsmanship matrix. You may get hammered, but it won't be terrible, you just won't win the best army award.

The painting matrix is completed, and will be put up shortly.


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Cryonicleech wrote:This also applies to the Fantasy tournament as well correct?

Correct.