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@Duncan_Idaho:

Thanks for the information. It certainly inspires a lot more confidence in a product when a developer actually interacts with the fans, despite having to deal with the negativity.

I've held off on picking up Dust Tactics, because of what happened with AT-43. But now that someone has answered my concerns, I'll be sure to look into picking up the core set.

If it's a normal sized board game, then wouldn't it be hard to fit all those models on there? Any quick/brief summary on how the game plays?

And the models are pre-primed? That starter box looks like a nice deal with plenty of stuff for 2 players to get started. My only real worry with new games is having no one to play with, but if I have all the stuff we both need it'll be easier to get people to play.

They do come preprimed. Allies are green, Axis grey.

Hey Everyone

I just want to weigh in on this thread as I've been a fan of Dust Tactics since launch. Now I got out of Warhammer 40K, and at the time was considering abandoning the hobby all together. Luckily before I threw in the towel I found AT-43 and Dust Tactics, and Frankly I love them both. I have been able to play Dust Tactics with my friends who like board games, friends who like large scale war-games, and most importantly my GF.... who actively disliked 40K.

As a board game Dust Tactics is amazing. the game works in its current form, its easy to play, doesnt take long to set up, has great tactical depth and the models looks really good. I really can't think of anything negative to say about DT or FFG ATM, especially in light of the current shenanigans being played by GW.

-As for the New Starter Kit, I'm all for this, new models and cards even if they are some re-purposed models from other kits still adds versatility and choice to an already good game.

-Updated cards converting old models to the new points system. I can see how people may be upset, espeacially if they just bought the game... but hey FFG put a PDF of the new cost up for free on their website. But I agree with the slight balance issues. One of my friends could not understand how the Laser Grenadiers, and the Recon Grenadiers were the same cost. (Did not stop him from fielding two units with Sigrid)

-As for the TT rules, I'm having a hard time seeing why people would not want this. Its a completely optional way to play the game on a larger scale, in a more 3D setting with the models you have ALREADY BOUGHT. Listen FFG has made mistakes in the past, but they have been updating, supporting and creating new units and scenarios for this game at a rate that impresses me so I find it hard to complain about them.

Over all if your thinking of getting into this game. DO IT! If your mad about changes being made to the game, look at GW and 40K for the last 5 years and then think it over again.

Dust Tactics is great!

Oh 1 more thing, when is this new set supposed to come out.. I didn't see it on their page but maybe I missed it.

Probably August, Necros.

Third quarter, which easily translates into coat tails of this year in regards to FFG.

Okay, so with this new point system in place, what would be the standard point value for normal sized battles?

Okay, more questions!

So Table Top rules and box set are coming to Dust Tactics soon. How will this affect the current box set, expansions, and additional units being sold now? That is, if I buy the first core box set now, will the second core box set alter the usability of the contents in the first box set? Or will it merely append additional rules for Table Top play, but maintain the rules and balance for the Board Game? I admit that it would be nice to have both options (Table Top and Board Game), but I am concerned that the current Board Game will be significantly altered to accommodate the Table Top rules.

I guess what I am asking is:

Would it be wiser to simply wait for the release of the second core box set? Or would it not make a difference as the Board Game aspect will be untouched with the second release (and the Table Top rules will also be made available on the website)?

Is it likely that the units supplied in the second box set will be different in order to be balanced for both rule sets?

@Duncan_Idaho - Thank you very much for posting the information you can about DT!

I have been purchasing the DT releases as they come out in preparation of the TT rules release. It is great to know they are underway on that front. I understand you will be able to release who is working on the rules at some point in the future.

Are you at liberty to say if AT-43 fans will see similarities between the DT TT rules and the AT-43 rules?

@Pombe: it'll all be compatible. The only they've changed is the point costs of the units that have been released pre-See-Löwe. You can get the new point costs here: http://new.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/dust-tactics/Dust%20Tactics_%20Revised%20Core%20Set/dust-tactics-points-guide-web.pdf

This game and TT sounds exciting.

One thing though @Duncan_Idaho:
As a German working on the game, can you make the designers take more care about the naming of German units? Like "Untertote" instead of "Untote" or "Sturmgrenadieren Squad" instead of "Sturmgrenadiere Squad". They are better than average and often get things right, but sometimes ...

@Names
That´s one of the thinsg I do, counselling them regarding German/Russian/Japanese/Chinese names names. Undertote I am not completely happy with it but it is such an established name in the comic universe and is also a nod to certain pulp books that it was kept. But we will have an eye out for names that are to disturbing in their native language. Also quite some spelling mistakes have been corrected for the second production run.

So Table Top rules and box set are coming to Dust Tactics soon. How will this affect the current box set, expansions, and additional units being sold now? That is, if I buy the first core box set now, will the second core box set alter the usability of the contents in the first box set? Or will it merely append additional rules for Table Top play, but maintain the rules and balance for the Board Game? I admit that it would be nice to have both options (Table Top and Board Game), but I am concerned that the current Board Game will be significantly altered to accommodate the Table Top rules.

Big Box: The big package and quite a good deal. Get is as long as you can get it.
Revised Box: Contains the revised rules which are identical with the rules in the big box, but are extended and revised. Minis in there are completely different from the big box and the extras are a little bit less than in the big box (poster instead of tiles, less dice etc.) Still if you have already bought the big box you will more than your moneys worth if you buy it too.
Tile Package: Conatins the 9 tiles from the big box + 3 new tiles. Also contains the scenario book from the big box with 3 additional new scenarios and got also revised.
Upgrade Pack: contains the cards from the big box and up to operation Seelöwe that got revised and the new AP.
Tabletop rules: Right at the moment the plan is that you can buy everything for the boardgame and just need to buy the TT-rules get you some tabletop and scenery and can play the tt-version. If you are absolutely not interested in the boardgame you wait until the tt-rules are released and just get the minis you want and forgoe the boardgame extensions, though you will miss out on some fun .

The game is completely modular and YOU decide when and how your are going to play it as a board- or tt-game. The board game will stay the way it is. You will probably have to buy more minis for use in the TT since it is going to be designed to also accomodate bigger battles that the board game could not handle with an unnecessary amount of change. But the core of both lines will be the same, but the TT will cater a little bit more to those who loved AT-43, SST or similar games.

Duncan_Idaho wrote:@Names
That´s one of the thinsg I do, counselling them regarding German/Russian/Japanese/Chinese names names. Undertote I am not completely happy with it but it is such an established name in the comic universe and is also a nod to certain pulp books that it was kept. But we will have an eye out for names that are to disturbing in their native language. Also quite some spelling mistakes have been corrected for the second production run.

So Table Top rules and box set are coming to Dust Tactics soon. How will this affect the current box set, expansions, and additional units being sold now? That is, if I buy the first core box set now, will the second core box set alter the usability of the contents in the first box set? Or will it merely append additional rules for Table Top play, but maintain the rules and balance for the Board Game? I admit that it would be nice to have both options (Table Top and Board Game), but I am concerned that the current Board Game will be significantly altered to accommodate the Table Top rules.

Big Box: The big package and quite a good deal. Get is as long as you can get it.
Revised Box: Contains the revised rules which are identical with the rules in the big box, but are extended and revised. Minis in there are completely different from the big box and the extras are a little bit less than in the big box (poster instead of tiles, less dice etc.) Still if you have already bought the big box you will more than your moneys worth if you buy it too.
Tile Package: Conatins the 9 tiles from the big box + 3 new tiles. Also contains the scenario book from the big box with 3 additional new scenarios and got also revised.
Upgrade Pack: contains the cards from the big box and up to operation Seelöwe that got revised and the new AP.
Tabletop rules: Right at the moment the plan is that you can buy everything for the boardgame and just need to buy the TT-rules get you some tabletop and scenery and can play the tt-version. If you are absolutely not interested in the boardgame you wait until the tt-rules are released and just get the minis you want and forgoe the boardgame extensions, though you will miss out on some fun .

The game is completely modular and YOU decide when and how your are going to play it as a board- or tt-game. The board game will stay the way it is. You will probably have to buy more minis for use in the TT since it is going to be designed to also accomodate bigger battles that the board game could not handle with an unnecessary amount of change. But the core of both lines will be the same, but the TT will cater a little bit more to those who loved AT-43, SST or similar games.

I have a few questions for you if you could answer them.
First, the upgrade cards, it it ONE copy of each card? Like say I have two if the old sets, I would need two cards sets or what?
Tabletop Rules, Oliver said to me they are being made, but do you know when they will be out? Year? Half?
Also for Tabletop rules, all the Special Characters are in the Expansions, so I would have to but the expansions with tiles to get the characters?
Are the unit cards still used in the Tabletop version?
For tabletop, how big of armies? Like half a dozen walkers and a dozen infantry squads? More? Less? I'm deciding weather to collect everything or just one Army.

If you could answer any of these, thanks ^_^

The upgrade cards should be one of every unit judging from the numbers you get in the package, i.e that´s what I deducted from the thickness of the package. What´s exactly in there: You have to check the FFG website for it when it comes out.

Do we get an update for the new point-limits for the scenarios of the Blue Thunder and Operation Cyclone scenarios?
I did not find it at FFG.

Upt to now, my GF wins most of the time, perhaps this changes with the new system

Since the new core set and the mappack are revised versions of the original ones it might be possible that those are updated too, but I am not sure.

We are getting a revised "Operation Blue Thunder" booklet with the map tile pack.

BrookM wrote:We are getting a revised "Operation Blue Thunder" booklet with the map tile pack.

I know, but if I don't have that pack, I would appreciate a pdf to update the scenarios like the current pdf with the new point values for the units.
This could be rather short like "Blue Thunder scenario 1: both sides x points each; Scenario 2:..."

I would ask in the FFG forums but I don't know if FFG staff is contributing there at all.

Chances are, around the time of release they'll toss the pdf on their site.

Has anyone heard of plans to release actual tanks, or is it just infantry and walkers.

From what I've gathered from the current releases and a rather poorly done "source book" tanks are bad, robots are good. Though there was a hybrid, a robot with tracks instead of legs.

For the TT version I'd love to see "normal" units and tanks used alongside the dust models.

Failing that it shouldn't be too hard to write your own rules for 28mm and 1:48 scale model tank kits.

Looking on their online store, they have the old box set for $100 and the new one listed but you can't buy it yet.. would it be worth it to get the old one? Seems like there's a lot of models in it... will I end up with a bunch of old rules and cards that are useless? Or is it worth it just for the models? Or for a total new player, am I better off just waiting for the updated box set?

I know my game group is pretty much all about 40K and WFB but I'm thinking since the box set has both armies it would be easier to get folks to play a game here and there since they won't need to invest in the game too if they don't wanna. I'm looking for something like that where we can just sit down and play without having to buy a ginormous textbook to learn how, and then dump $500 on a new army...

It'll be worth it just for the models and tiles. From what I've gathered the rules won't be changed all that much and the only thing wrong with the cards is the point value at the bottom, other than that, go for it!

Yea I have to agree, the models and tiles are amazing for the price imo.

I have just purchased the "old" that is not so old set and I am not disappointed. The only changes are the points values and you can download those from ffg. The cards are still applicable since the stats have not changed etc.

Everything else is stellar from the miniatures to the dice to the tiles. Really good product.

One thin I would say "sucked" was the comic book but for a freebie who can really complain?

If anything the comic book put my girl in the evil "MUHAHAHA die Ami schwein" nazi chick mood she needed to "properly" play the game. She's a Sigrid x laser squad fangirl for life now.

OK cool, I guess I'll start with the old one then and I can get the newer one later if I like it.

about the models.. are they "real" models that we gotta build like GW plastics? Or more like little action figures? Since it's a board game can you pack it all up like monopoly when you're done or am I gonna want to get foam trays and all that stuff?

Pre-assembled so to say, much like AT-43, but with these you can twist the torsos and reposition the heads. And they can take a beating, so personally I see no need for trays, maybe with exception for some of the robot parts.