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OMG I'm so upset I worked for them for 7 years and it pisses me off so much that they are so retraded. I have family in England so Im starting my own underground railroad but I shouldn't have to

H.B.M.C. wrote:

warboss wrote:You realize the next logical step is to require their licensees to enforce the same restrictions...

Good luck with that.

Maelstrom et al. are all forms of distribution, buying stock from the publisher (GW, in this instance). FFG are their own publishing house, with their own store selling their own products. They buy nothing outside of the licence from GW. When and where FFG products get sold will be entirely up to FFG. Woe betide GW if they attempt to get Maelstrom and other from selling FFG books outside of the UK ‘region’.

And may the Emperor have nothing but fury for their blackened souls if their next step is to go after 3rd Party bitz services and make them region specific.

All they need to do is include that restriction in their next contract with FFG and say its non-negotiable. They can't retroactively apply it obviously but it certainly seems like they're moving towards more control of their products even after they sell it to a middleman.

i am sad about this and how this mess with my hobby (painting collecting and gaming). I am from brazil, there´s no single hobby store selling GW in this country. We all depend on online retailers. Now Without Wayland and Maelstrom we are forced to buy from gw or other webstore from USA with expensive shipping.

in our community of gamers i am proposing to give some time toGW to think about it and stay away frombuying from them for the next 6months or so and during this tme try new games, new ranges (Mantic for exaple is my choice for an fantasy orc army).

I believe that staying away trying new stuff and not giving GW money will make them realize that their decision sucked.

My community is small, butif everybody did that I believe we will be at least a little pain in the neck.

GW, next 6 months, thanks to you, I will be looking for new games.

Kroothawk wrote:GW is currently hiring IP lawyers to concentrate on their core business, which is sueing their fan-base
Otherwise they would be hiring casters, sculptors and game developers

GW Website careers section wrote:
Forecast Manager Vacancy
Illustrator Vacancy
IP Lawyer Vacancy
Junior Contracts Lawyer Vacancy
Trainee Figure Painter Vacancy
Trainee Miniatures Designer Vacancy

I'm wondering if there are possible international trade laws being broken here? I mean I have the cash. I'l like to buy your product, but you won't allow a site to sell it too me (ie GW doesn't have any input into an independant company's price structure). At least I now have my last order into Maelstrom now.

filbert wrote:Surely even GW wouldn't countenance such a move...

wayland, malestrom and the others inside the EU can only sell to the EU now. or at least as of may 31st. feth you GW, feth you.

Have a sense of humour insaniak.

I have a sense of humour. It's possible to take the one-eyed approach to an extreme where it stops being amusing, though.

Will this also apply to US internet retailers?

They are comparable to UK independent prices, shipping was the only thing holding me back from the Warstore and others (Battleroad etc).

insaniak wrote:

Surtur wrote:Hell, they can't even sell to the US, a massive market no matter how you cut it.

That's kind of the point, though... they want that 'massive market', along with the 'not as massive but still pretty darn big market' in Oz to be buying in their own regions.

For what it's worth, so far as accounting and supporting local business goes, this policy does make a certain amount of sense. But that doesn't make it any less aggravating when their worldwide pricing structure is so ridiculous.

Well economically speaking, it is in the consumer's best interest to pursue to best deal. As a US customer my best deal was Mantic. I could potentially save up to 15% if I bought a massive amount and free shipping even to the US. It would take 2-3 weeks to get here, but I saved some money. As a consumer I decided that it would be in my best interests to purchase from Mantic. If local businesses cannot compete with that, it is up to them to address the need. As for local businesses, GW is trying to be the only local business.

Kanluwen wrote:

warboss wrote:

Evilgnome wrote:Hey GW! Will you now ban Forgeworld from selling their kits to the Southern Hemisphere?

It's now cheaper for me to buy the FW Warp Hunter, with the Fire Prism plastic kit included, than it is to buy a Fire Prism in Australia.
This is by a margin of $30AU. (about $31USD)

*seriously*

It also shows that people don't read before they post. GW is banning Maelstrom and other "independents" from selling outside of their respective 'regions'.

My original post was mocking GW's embargo and pricing, I don't really think they would stop FW trading outside the UK.

Mind you, if we point out the fact we can get cheaper plastic kits from FW I'm sure they'll introduce special pricing for orders from Australia.

As an Australian gamer, I died a little inside when I woke up and read this.

However, I don't really understand the logic for it. Not only are they cutting down sales from people buying from independant retailers, but they're not really likely to gain that much in home-grown sales....Forgeworld is a cheaper option than buying here in Australia.

(Comparison:

Standard Dreadnought: $74 AU
Forgeworld Dreadnought: $39.12 AU before postage.)

It ends up similar pricing to buy Forgeworlds Pre-Heresy range of Space Marines as it does a normal Space Marine Tactical Squad....

So, if I continue, which to be honest I likely will as nothing else really takes my fancy, and I don't just have relatives in the UK ship models to me, I'm still more likely to buy from Forgeworld than GW stores here.

Evilgnome wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

warboss wrote:

Evilgnome wrote:Hey GW! Will you now ban Forgeworld from selling their kits to the Southern Hemisphere?

It's now cheaper for me to buy the FW Warp Hunter, with the Fire Prism plastic kit included, than it is to buy a Fire Prism in Australia.
This is by a margin of $30AU. (about $31USD)

*seriously*

It also shows that people don't read before they post. GW is banning Maelstrom and other "independents" from selling outside of their respective 'regions'.

My original post was mocking GW's embargo and pricing, I don't really think they would stop FW trading outside the UK.

Mind you, if we point out the fact we can get cheaper plastic kits from FW I'm sure they'll introduce special pricing for orders from Australia.

Frankly...I don't think they'd care if you order from GW or FW.

And they already pimpslap everyone with shipping in many cases.

I have contacted several US indie online companies and the embargo applies to them as well, they are banned from foreign export to those nations on the embargo list.

I looked hard and thought there is an opportunity for me to finish off my Chaos Army simply by shopping on EBay, there will now be a flood of angry former Warhammer players dumping their gear on Ebay to earn some folding to switch to Warmachine and Hordes.

So i'll hang in there afterall, and give it 6 months and see how it works out.

Achaylus72 wrote:I have contacted several US indie online companies and the embargo applies to them as well, they are banned from foreign export to those nations on the embargo list.

Does that include Canada as well? Of so then they fething hate us. The GW manager here has said him and the other Canadian managers have been fighting to get our prices closer to the US prices, he said it's hurting the store's sales quite a bit.

This is just beyond battered wife syndrome.

We have now reached Stockholm syndrome.

Did some calculations , because how weak american dollars are atm , we are actually fine from ordering from warstore USA instead of maelstrom UK even at 18% off

Whelp.

This was kind of a crushing thing to see to after having literally just picked up the DE codex with the intent of eventually starting a small army.

There goes that plan.

I have a feeling that GW will die in most areas of the world other then the UK and even then, may be hard for them to recover without a number of changes.

Its fun to say they havent thought this through at all but I'm sure they assume that the people who buy from online retailers will just by from GW now. I can't imagin many people will, knowing what price they/we used to get from such quality sites.

Also the zero marketing thing they have developed where no info on upcoming releases will be available till basicaly release day in WD!

And lets not forget the new citadel finecast. Same stuff, new weight, lower production cost, higher price! (unsuprised unamused).

Sure their are ways around the embargo but its still a kick in the teeth. It really shouldn't be so hard to play a tabletop wargame. Sounds like short of a Han Solo inspired figure to smuggle us cheap plastic the hobby will be out of reach.

The biggest issue is it doesnt just effect what I can buy but what my friends can buy which may cause them to lose intrest. Even if I am stoic with my hobby Its not worth it if they don't bother with it anymore.

Feeling pretty flat.

Wonder if my Dark Eldar advance order will arrive.

For people in canada (and maybe USA), i think this place has better prices than maelstrom:

http://stores.ebay.com/MARKS-COMICS-AND-COLLECTIBLES

i got my huge GK army from there.

6 boxes terms
6 boxes reg
2 dreadknights
draigo
crowe
codex

when i calculated it vs the price of buying this in a cdn store location (after taxes), it was like 40 - 45% discount from the cdn GW price.

(it's cause USA prices are cheaper, and this place offers 20% off on top of the USA price).

Sanjay

StarFyre wrote:For people in canada (and maybe USA), i think this place has better prices than maelstrom:

http://stores.ebay.com/MARKS-COMICS-AND-COLLECTIBLES

i got my huge GK army from there.

6 boxes terms
6 boxes reg
2 dreadknights
draigo
crowe
codex

when i calculated it vs the price of buying this in a cdn store location (after taxes), it was like 40 - 45% discount from the cdn GW price.

(it's cause USA prices are cheaper, and this place offers 20% off on top of the USA price).

Sanjay

Alittle bit more expensive than warstore , doesnt come with box which could be good for Canadians if the seller declares it as used item lol xD
Though selection is really low , almost nothing to choose from?

For any Canadians that wants to save by taking the offer from Maestrom , i recomend bulking out the Troop / Core choices , as UK pricing is low for them , and quite abit higher ( no extra savings )
in comparison for every other units.

Oh missed the bit about resins.

Here! Have some cancer while we cut our costs dramatically and have a price rise too!

Battleroad have free shipping over a reasonable threshold even for international but not sure how much their discount is. Mini Market is 25% off but you pay post. Might work out to be the same as Maelstrom and Wayland for us aussies if the dollar maintains parity.


Mini Market

So on a somewhat related note, what's so bad about Battlefront?

They pulled all there product from maelstrom because of a sale.

I live in Australia and if I was still playing 40k I'd would stop now. However I actually quit about 8 months ago and started playing warmachine/hordes.

I always thought I'd never leave 40k no matter how much of a dick GW were, the theme of 40k was just too attractive.

However after picking up warmachine I have realised that its actually just as cool as 40k and the rules are just as fun and much better written.

I'm also looking into malifaux and infinity which I never would of considered before because I was stuck in the mentality of 40k being the only game worth playing. I just have to say it feels really refreshing to be exploring a whole variety of war games.

I'll repeat it as people are too busy repeating the same thing for it to get noticed.

Does anyone know what happens to pre-orders placed with either Wayland or Maelstrom for items such as the new Dark Eldar stuff?

If we have paid, does that mean we still get sent the product even though it's after the cutoff date?

I'm sure i'm not the only one in this situation.

Inquisitor Earl wrote:I'll repeat it as people are too busy repeating the same thing for it to get noticed.

Does anyone know what happens to pre-orders placed with either Wayland or Maelstrom for items such as the new Dark Eldar stuff?

If we have paid, does that mean we still get sent the product even though it's after the cutoff date?

I'm sure i'm not the only one in this situation.

*Shrug* Did you contact Maelstrom about it?

That's the point, I dont want to ask the same question that others surely have emailed them about. They are busy at the best of times.

Inquisitor Earl wrote:That's the point, I dont want to ask the same question that others surely have emailed them about. They are busy at the best of times.

I'd just go ahead and e-mail them, dude. I totally feel the same about bothering folks when they're busy, but better to bother them and get a reply from the source then have to wring your hands and wait to hear from someone else.

I'm not familiar with laws in the empire as it were, but it seems wierd that GW could legally forbid someone from doing business with other places that are still counted as being vaguely "under the crown".

Worglock wrote:I'm not familiar with laws in the empire as it were, but it seems wierd that GW could legally forbid someone from doing business with other places that are still counted as being vaguely "under the crown".

I don’t think there’s anything ‘legal’ about it (nor am I implying that there’s anything illegal about it either). In other words, I doubt there’s any law that could stop them from selling overseas just as there’s probably no law that gives GW the power force it. What there is is a trade agreement that basically says “You can only sell our products here, or not sell our products at all.”

Unethical, sure. But going against any specific laws? I doubt it.

Of course someone more familiar with the laws of the United Kingdom is free to come in here and contradict me – I’d be happy to find out the real legalities of this (assuming there are any to begin with).