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Saw the miniatures.

Bored now.

Not a big fan of the marines tbh, though the german forces look like they will make excellent vets to go alongside the shock troops.

you dont like that?

Its the short sleeve shirt that bothers me for some reason. I guess I could always paint over it like it isn't. To be at all fair, it is a good sculpt, that detail just bothers me. If I've got to see a detail that bothers me for a couple of hours every time I play with that army, well... eh. I do like it better than I like any IG range from GW (Except Death Korps).

A good painter can make any sculpt look good, are we expecting a paint-by number system? lol

Looking good, though I'll need to see some more angles in order to know for sure.

I've been trying to figure out since I first saw them if it's a short sleeve T shirt or if it's a jacket with the sleeves rolled up. I've also been trying to figure out if it is a T shirt, would it be worth the effort to try and GS a cuff on the end to make it look like a rolled sleeve.

http://www.captainsjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/marine_with_dog.jpg

And even if it's not a rolled sleeve, wearing the armor with a shirt isn't that uncommon.

http://media.thestate.com/smedia/2008/08/18/07/842-marines.standalone.prod_affiliate.74.jpg

the gun looks a bit awkward to hold actually, and the detail on the legs is a bit mushy,

The gun is posed incorrectly-- the correct way to hold a gun of that type is akin to a chainsaw.

like the vulcan mini-gun from Terminator 2, right?

Since when does wargaming have to be 100% historically accurate like a scale model? This is Sci-Fi for feth's sake! There is no correct way to hold that weapon because it DOESN'T EXIST!

I'd unsubscribe from this thread, but I keep hoping for a release announcement on the female heads.

The marine gun is absurd. Recoild would be nightmarish (have fun dropping it) and it doesn't have any decent way to fire from prone or crouched/sitting, which is how you usually stabilize an MG. The grip is just horrible in general and would be a PITA the try to lug that thing without just dragging it.

Also, the helmet is very awkward.

That being said, I like the body and legs. Arms could also probably be saved by clipping the weapon and repositioning the grips. The underslung attachment is dumb on a support weapon, though.

I think that it is funny how people argue over how guns are held/designed for every new model that comes out from a company, but no one questions how illogical GW weapons are. No one complains about how they are at least 3x the size they should be and that the caliber of some GW personal firearms are larger than modern day tanks and AFV.

I say just go with the flow. I like most of the human soldiers I am seeing today. I am looking forward to seeing them across a table soon. And then watching them obliterate my armies with reckless abandon.

I agree with sheperd23's comments. It seems to be the case nowadays that when any new range comes to light they are immediately shot to pieces for reasons like detail(how detailed do rank and file troops like these need to be?). C'mon, I think its time we gave companies offering us something new more support and less negative nonsense.

Jaon wrote:

you dont like that?

Nah, Cod piece is too small.....

It's not the size of the gun that matters.. it's how you use it.

Necros wrote:It's not the size of the gun that matters.. it's how you use it.

Or cover it!!!

Necros wrote:It's not the size of the gun that matters.. it's how you hold it.

fixed that for you.

i'd be fine with all sorts of strangness, but that grip is so unfathomably odd i cannot get past it.

I'm sure it would be pretty easy to chop the grenade launcher off the bottom and hold it from the underside. And there's one with every sprue, so twelve to a set. Plenty to practice on if your knife hand is as unsteady as mine. Creating a handle on the top would be a little trickier, but I figure anyone who'd be so worried about it as to want to change it would have plenty of practice with green stuff and all that.

Still waiting on plastics pictures or sprue pictures. Past promised date of release, i might add.

I too dislike the gun. Its as if someone saw a normal LMG, and then decided to combine it with a "portable minigun" grip. Makes no sense at all imo

lord marcus wrote:Still waiting on plastics pictures or sprue pictures. Past promised date of release, i might add.

I probably mentioned this long ago on another topic but unless they have the finished product weeks ahead of their release date, theres probably a good 2-3 week window when it comes to releases by these companies. Can go much longer too (still waiting on victrix's hoplites...)

I understand that. Doesn't mean they can't show the master sprue they get so as to confirm the sprue is as they want.

The explaination is currently on the website I believe, let me see if I can find it.

kenshin620 wrote:I too dislike the gun. Its as if someone saw a normal LMG, and then decided to combine it with a "portable minigun" grip. Makes no sense at all imo

Neither does a standard lasgun..because it isn't real.

The gun is meant to invoke the Smartgun from Aliens, and is based on a real weapon (as posted a bit farther up thread) -- a SAW with an underslung grenade launcher, which the GL being taken from the underslung from the rifle. I'm personally going to clip off the launcher because, goddamn it's ridiculous!, and fiddle with the rest of the grip.

Also, apparently the mold is almost done, but they've been fiddling around with the tooling. Theoretically, once they figure out how to do it, further molds should go out quicker. Specifically, I mean, once the toolers perfect the method they will use, with their tools, to cut the mold to the desired level of detail.

dsteingass wrote:Since when does wargaming have to be 100% historically accurate like a scale model? This is Sci-Fi for feth's sake! There is no correct way to hold that weapon because it DOESN'T EXIST

Actually, the gun is almost a direct lift from this concept weapon:



The correct way to hold that weapon is like this:

The video makes me like the marines alot more now. Maybe Im just a gun freak. Although I guess shooting from the hip isn't the most accurate way. Maybe in that fat helmet are some swanky targeting computer display stuff.

I figured it was just supposed to be the smartgun from Aliens.

jedi76 wrote:The video makes me like the marines alot more now. Maybe Im just a gun freak. Although I guess shooting from the hip isn't the most accurate way. Maybe in that fat helmet are some swanky targeting computer display stuff.

Yeah, that is the idea exactly. The gun is a "concept weapon" that isn't practical now but was created to show what guns might look like if future targeting means that aiming down your sights is no longer required. Apparently in the Defiance Games universe, that targeting tech has been created.

But the tech to have the non trigger hand hold it from the top is strangely missing