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Samus_aran115 wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:A plastic Dark Apostle is wicked easy. Dark Angels robed body, Chaos Marine skull helmet, Dark Angels power mace bit with a Chaos star head, and that's all you need to do. It's insanely easy to get a convincing Dark Apostle.

Yeah, totally. I see no reason for GW to release a dark apostle model. There's so many freaking bits you can use from fantasy chaos it's not even funny.

Glad this thread is still alive. I wish we'd hear some updated dates. Is it july then? I should be in basic training, lol...

I don't even know, man, I don't even know. Over on bols I believe they're saying any time from now through the end of April is actually plausible, as a before-6th-hits kind of deal.

So many rumors, at least we know Chaos is for 6ed, its going to hit around the time of 6th, them and dark angels, whether itll be leigions, renegades, or something else complety different, i say sit down, wait, and pray to the dark gods it isnt udder gak, or it's way overpowered comapered to GK and everyone will complain that they are playing a chaos army, im.

Cyvash wrote:So many rumors, at least we know Chaos is for 6ed, its going to hit around the time of 6th, them and dark angels, whether itll be leigions, renegades, or something else complety different, i say sit down, wait, and pray to the dark gods it isnt udder gak, or it's way overpowered comapered to GK and everyone will complain that they are playing a chaos army, im.

If it's not overpowered like GK I will be disappoint, since every new codex lately has been gearing up to be that level, 'Cron's included.
Maybe that's just the way things are going. The Arms race is increasing, with the only armies suffering being the ones who haven't been updated in a long time.
Nothing's overpowered if everything is overpowered is what I'm getting at.

Last time I checked, IG, BA, SW, SM, DE, BT, Orks, and Eldar are all quite on par or better than Necrons.

I think you overestimate how much stronger the new books are.

I would like to see Ksons cost go down.

I think Rending instead of AP3 and a 5++ along with Slow And Purposeful is enough for their price to drop into a more reasonable range. Trade always AP 3 for Sometimes rending awesomeness.

Psychic powers also need a points rework ...

Defilers improved in any way to make them more survivable ...

Cultists +1

Dedicating vehicles +1

And more options for vehicles ... us being heretical and not having to follow the rules of the Imperium.

Pass on psychic dreadnought ...

+ for more possessed/Daemon stuff.

ph34r wrote:Last time I checked, IG, BA, SW, SM, DE, BT, Orks, and Eldar are all quite on par or better than Necrons.

I think you overestimate how much stronger the new books are.

lol your joking right? The newcrons are awesome so long as you make good use of their tricks instead of trying to play them in a more traditional manner....though I have found that folks tend to feel they have been robbed when their loss is more due to Necron "magic" than the actual army. When you play Necrons more like a TCG deck they are crazy annoying.

KarlPedder wrote:

ph34r wrote:Last time I checked, IG, BA, SW, SM, DE, BT, Orks, and Eldar are all quite on par or better than Necrons.

I think you overestimate how much stronger the new books are.

lol your joking right? The newcrons are awesome so long as you make good use of their tricks instead of trying to play them in a more traditional manner....though I have found that folks tend to feel they have been robbed when their loss is more due to Necron "magic" than the actual army. When you play Necrons more like a TCG deck they are crazy annoying.

True that. Tremor-spam definitely stops any foot-slogging or CC-oriented list in its tracks from sheer paranoia that important things will die, and when you combine that with Necron's already-shooty tendencies, they become great. Against Tau and DE, it gets a bit more difficult, but Necron's have a high amount of anti-tank in almost every FoC, and if it comes down to CC, the WW C'Tan shard (And Orikan Powered Up, if you're running him) will definitely put the beatdown on many a thing.

But this is getting off topic, Tremor-thread is in the appropriate other section. Chaos is being chaos, and is going to be pure brute force awesomeness, with a bit of Special Rule Sorcery mixed in for everyone (Probably double for you Tzeentchites.)

KarlPedder wrote:

ph34r wrote:Last time I checked, IG, BA, SW, SM, DE, BT, Orks, and Eldar are all quite on par or better than Necrons.

I think you overestimate how much stronger the new books are.

lol your joking right? The newcrons are awesome so long as you make good use of their tricks instead of trying to play them in a more traditional manner....though I have found that folks tend to feel they have been robbed when their loss is more due to Necron "magic" than the actual army. When you play Necrons more like a TCG deck they are crazy annoying.

KarlPedder wrote:lol

KarlPedder wrote:your

nope

You listed SM, BT, Orks, And Eldar as above Newcrons

You trolling?

ZebioLizard2 wrote:You listed SM, BT, Orks, And Eldar as above Newcrons

You trolling?

In all honesty I think you are probably not very good at the game if you think that the new necrons blow shooty BT, Orks, or footdar out of the water.

ph34r wrote:In all honesty I think you are probably not very good at the game if you think that the new necrons blow shooty BT, Orks, or footdar out of the water.

Flaming: Because that makes you better than everyone else.

Let's try to stay on topic here. Chaos.
Anything new anyone has to add?

KilroyKiljoy wrote:

ph34r wrote:In all honesty I think you are probably not very good at the game if you think that the new necrons blow shooty BT, Orks, or footdar out of the water.

Flaming: Because that makes you better than everyone else.

Let's try to stay on topic here. Chaos.
Anything new anyone has to add?

Not flaming. The knowledge that many of the older codexes are still very competitive (if limited to a few builds) is not well known, meaning that many newer or more casual players are only exposed to the "the old books suck!" internet-mainstream opinion. This is exacerbated by the fact that the older armies are also often less frequently played, and/or played in builds that are not the few competitive archetypes for them. In my experience I have seen the power of the old codexes generally only championed by veteran and/or tournament players.

ph34r wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:You listed SM, BT, Orks, And Eldar as above Newcrons

You trolling?

In all honesty I think you are probably not very good at the game if you think that the new necrons blow shooty BT, Orks, or footdar out of the water.

I think you're not very good at the game if you think all those armies are so much better. Necrons are placing well in tournements, and numerous people like Reecius and JY2 have shown that Necrons can take on competitive builds.

Sasori wrote:I think you're not very good at the game if you think all those armies are so much better. Necrons are placing well in tournements, and numerous people like Reecius and JY2 have shown that Necrons can take on competitive builds.

I disagree based on first hand knowledge and that of recent tournament results. If you have more data that suggests necrons truly are tearing it up all over the place, I would be interested in seeing that.

ph34r wrote:

Sasori wrote:I think you're not very good at the game if you think all those armies are so much better. Necrons are placing well in tournements, and numerous people like Reecius and JY2 have shown that Necrons can take on competitive builds.

I disagree based on first hand knowledge and that of recent tournament results. If you have more data that suggests necrons truly are tearing it up all over the place, I would be interested in seeing that.

The most recent tournament that comes to mind, is the Broadside bash, where they tied for 3rd.

I remember Mannahin posting that Necrons scored 2nd by someone, in a tourney not that long ago near him. I'll edit all that info in once I find that thread.*

Then, you've got a lot of top tier players like Reecius, Jy2, and Hulksmash that say they are competitive. From my Personnel experience, and what I've seen so far from the internet, is the exact opposite of what you are seeing. I'd be interested in your Data as well.

* here we go

At today's 39-person tournament at Battlegrounds in Plainville, MA, three of the top six, going into the final round, were Necrons. Of course two of those were Alex Fennell and Ben Mohlie, and there's no shock about those two no matter what they brought, so that may not tell us a great deal. I will note that both of them brought Spyders to complement their Scarabs (as well as give some more HtH and psychic defense).

Ben ended up fighting Alex in the last round, and Ben ended up winning. So, top 2 players were Necrons.

So, you have a lot of top players that say they are competitive, and people at competitive events with Necrons winning, or placing high.


Now, I'm by no means saying they are unstoppable juggernauts, but evidence seems to suggest that they are competitive.

Sasori wrote:

ph34r wrote:

Sasori wrote:I think you're not very good at the game if you think all those armies are so much better. Necrons are placing well in tournements, and numerous people like Reecius and JY2 have shown that Necrons can take on competitive builds.

I disagree based on first hand knowledge and that of recent tournament results. If you have more data that suggests necrons truly are tearing it up all over the place, I would be interested in seeing that.

The most recent tournament that comes to mind, is the Broadside bash, where they tied for 3rd.

I remember Mannahin posting that Necrons scored 2nd by someone, in a tourney not that long ago near him. I'll edit all that info in once I find that thread.

Then, you've got a lot of top tier players like Reecius, Jy2, and Hulksmash that say they are competitive. From my Personel experiance, and what I've seen so far from the internet, is the exact opposite of what you are seeing. I'd be interested in your Data as well.

Take it to PM, no one cares how much anecdotal evidence that Necrons are the best or wrost in your area or because 3 people on the internet say they are good. If it isn't about new Chaos rumors, please take it elsewhere, because no one else here cares.

Cadaver wrote:

Sasori wrote:

ph34r wrote:

Sasori wrote:I think you're not very good at the game if you think all those armies are so much better. Necrons are placing well in tournements, and numerous people like Reecius and JY2 have shown that Necrons can take on competitive builds.

I disagree based on first hand knowledge and that of recent tournament results. If you have more data that suggests necrons truly are tearing it up all over the place, I would be interested in seeing that.

The most recent tournament that comes to mind, is the Broadside bash, where they tied for 3rd.

I remember Mannahin posting that Necrons scored 2nd by someone, in a tourney not that long ago near him. I'll edit all that info in once I find that thread.

Then, you've got a lot of top tier players like Reecius, Jy2, and Hulksmash that say they are competitive. From my Personel experiance, and what I've seen so far from the internet, is the exact opposite of what you are seeing. I'd be interested in your Data as well.

Take it to PM, no one cares how much anecdotal evidence that Necrons are the best or wrost in your area or because 3 people on the internet say they are good. If it isn't about new Chaos rumors, please take it elsewhere, because no one else here cares.

Fair enough, We'll take it to PMs

You're wrong about people not caring though, because clearly they do, or there wouldn't be a string of posts about it.

Sasori wrote:

Fair enough, We'll take it to PMs

You're wrong about people not caring though, because clearly they do, or there wouldn't be a string of posts about it.

Alright, let me clarify. No one wants discussion taking place in a Chaos Rumors thread. Please discuss to your heart's content elsewhere.

Cadaver wrote:Alright, let me clarify. No one wants discussion taking place in a Chaos Rumors thread

No discussion at all? Not even of Chaos rumors?

That would require there to actually be new Chaos rumors with which to discuss.

Brother SRM wrote:That would require there to actually be new Chaos rumors with which to discuss.

Yes, pretty much.

I'm sure someone will start a new thread when there's something new and substantive to discuss.