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Grundz wrote:
Or more likely one kit with many uses ah la grey knight infantry boxes

Ah yes, a kit just to make Chaos Space Marines! Novel idea! I'm assuming you mean something like upgrade sprues?

wuestenfux wrote:Well, I think as a rule GW makes finecast for HQ/Elite/FA/HS models and plastic for troupes.

Yeah, there are no plastic HQ, elite, fast attack or heavy support models for Chaos Space Marines aside from the Chaos Terminator lord, Chaos Terminators, Possessed, Chaos spawn, bikers, defilers, predators, vindicators or land raiders. None whatsoever! I wouldn't say it's a rule exactly, but units they don't expect people will want/need a lot of tend to get the Finecast (formerly metal) treatment. Plastic has been more and more pervasive over the last few years though, and I would expect more and more plastic as we go on. Really hoping 40k gets the plastic character treatment that Fantasy's been getting.

I think they could easily make plastic shoulder pad sprues, the same size as the plastic WFB character sprues.. 1 set for each legion, they can prolly fill up their mold with a whole lot of those mini sprues so the investment won't be too bad.

I'd expect something more like resin bitz packs though.

Considering the absolute goddamn pinning nightmare I had putting together my Iron Warriors using the metal bitz packs, I wouldn't mind Finecast bitz packs. All my metal ones had screwed up details anyway, I doubt Finecast could be that much worse, and if it was I wouldn't have to pin at least.

Cadaver wrote:I have to say, I'm not too convinced we will see plastic plaguebearers for the Chaos Space Marines release. It doesn't make much sense. Assuming Daemons will stay a separate codex, which they should,

No they shouldn't, this was the most stupid decision they've made.

Giving Deamons or even GK's their own codex is like giving Vespids or Ratlings or even Ogryns their own Codex, this might sound fun at first, but it is stupid.

I do hope that if Chaos is redone as a whole we get A; a true use for Deamons in Legions codex, or B; a new and better Deamon codex after the Legion one.

On a different note, i do hope for Plastic HQ's choices, after all nearly all the recent plastics Heroes for Battle where of really good quality.

Also for the Cultist/Renegades units in the new Chaos, maybe we will have a Coteaz§Henchman combo into Chaos, Take that "XXX Named Alpha legion Char and Cultists units become scoring".

Grundz wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:I sincerely doubt "plastic kits for every major legion" because goddamn, that's nine kits, all with very niche appeal.

Or more likely one kit with many uses ah la grey knight infantry boxes

Oh dear Dark Gods, please no...i really don't want to pay 25$ for 5 Marines, no matter how many options/accessories you can have in the box...

Its something that i begin to hate a little with the new GW trending... 1 box 2 units..., thats the lazy way of doing things.

Look at the Ghost Ark and the Ogre beasts..., they look too much alike from one option to the other to stir any interest in me!

I do hope that we will avoid this...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

1hadhq wrote:To show their ongoing support of finecast products ?
Oblits are groups of 3, right? Thus finecast isn't bad if other more numerous choices are plastic...

Well... I dunno about you, but I am sensing a theme here.

Plastic Oblits seems likely to me.

I sense unwarranted optimism. And need I remind you of the Archon's court?

I hope Noise Marines, 1000 Sons and Plague Marines are released in plastic...or at least upgrade sprues.

Everybody is wanting plastic oblits, but what I really want is more than one viable choice in heavy support.

Slayer le boucher wrote:

Cadaver wrote:I have to say, I'm not too convinced we will see plastic plaguebearers for the Chaos Space Marines release. It doesn't make much sense. Assuming Daemons will stay a separate codex, which they should,

No they shouldn't, this was the most stupid decision they've made.

Giving Deamons or even GK's their own codex is like giving Vespids or Ratlings or even Ogryns their own Codex, this might sound fun at first, but it is stupid.

In that context I meant the Daemon codex will still exist, as some rumors have talked about the two codexes merging again, which I don't believe. GW have stated all codexes they produce will remain and no armies will ever be invalidated again, as was the case with Craftworld Eldar, LaTD, etc.

Making a Daemons codex was not inherently a bad idea, but removing all non-generic daemons from the CSM codex was. A pure Daemons list has it's place in the game, and it's hardly the same as arguing two different types of marine armies shouldn't be separate armies.

edit: can't spell

Obliterators:

1) Plastic
2) Lower points cost per model
3) Probably dump Havocs or move to Fast

/end rant

It's for the kids, see.

Tacobake wrote:Obliterators:

1) Plastic
2) Lower points cost per model
3) Probably dump Havocs or move to Fast

/end rant

It's for the kids, see.

If anything, expect a SC allowing you to take a single Obliterator unit as troops. Or maybe even a Warsmith upgrade to the generic Lord doing the same thing.

Well. Since we're wishlisting here. I'd like to see them make a plastic box set for each of the 4 cult troops. Then do what they did with the Dark Angles vet boxs, were you get some death wing termy parts in every box.

So if you you got plastic Noise mariens, you would get parts to convert Slaanesh Termies. If not then something like the space wolves were you get alot of extra bits for converted normal CSM to the god of your choice.

I would bassicly re-buy my Emperor's Children if they did that....

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spyguyyoda wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

1hadhq wrote:To show their ongoing support of finecast products ?
Oblits are groups of 3, right? Thus finecast isn't bad if other more numerous choices are plastic...

Well... I dunno about you, but I am sensing a theme here.

Plastic Oblits seems likely to me.

I sense unwarranted optimism. And need I remind you of the Archon's court?

I have to agree with you thier.

The made up rumors were so much better.....

Here's to hoping we get more than just an Iron Warriors Character. I so, so, so hope we get legion rules.

Rbb wrote:Everybody is wanting plastic oblits, but what I really want is more than one viable choice in heavy support.

Non-CSM player here, but I see them occasionally. Having that been said, what's wrong with a shooty Defilier?

Tacobake wrote:Obliterators:

1) Plastic
2) Lower points cost per model
3) Probably dump Havocs or move to Fast

/end rant

It's for the kids, see.

Why would they move to fast? Havocs aren't getting dumped either.

Why are plaguebearers getting a release alongside with CSM?

Does this mean that we will have god specific daemons again?

OMG, Plastic plague bearers please. For the love of Nurgle, I need them. I'll buy 5 boxes right away. If they combine demons and CSM again, I'll be soooo pissed off. What would I do with my 4k of demon? and when they get around to demons, they have to redo the greater demons. Current greater demons just look lame for the most part. Also, I think chaos should be made more chaotic, both csm and demons. Spikes shouldn't signify chaos on marines.

I doubt they'll do away with Daemons altogether. They'll probably just do something simple, like let you mark daemons in a CSM army. I hope so anyway; that's how I'd fix daemons in CSM armies.

Since PP doesn't want my money anymore, I guess I'll save up 300 euro or so for Chaos goodness!

lord_blackfang wrote:Since PP doesn't want my money anymore, I guess I'll save up 300 euro or so for Chaos goodness!

I'm curious, lord_blackfang - what makes you think PP doesn't want your money any more?

don't know why but this this kinda of thread doesn't give me the thrill anymore.

daedalus wrote:

Rbb wrote:Everybody is wanting plastic oblits, but what I really want is more than one viable choice in heavy support.

Non-CSM player here, but I see them occasionally. Having that been said, what's wrong with a shooty Defilier?

Well. For only abit more points I get 3 oblits, who I can stick in terriean to get a +4 cover save from lascannons and such that would ignore armour/instakill my oblits. This is alot more surviable then a huge AV12 defilier everyone shoots at 1st turn. (So hard to give that damn thing a cover save....) Oblits also alot more versitile dude to all the diffrent weapons they are rocking.

I bet they do what they did with witch hunters and demon hunters. The popular choice gets a codex and the other a white dwarf shart list lol.


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Lockark wrote:

daedalus wrote:

Rbb wrote:Everybody is wanting plastic oblits, but what I really want is more than one viable choice in heavy support.

Non-CSM player here, but I see them occasionally. Having that been said, what's wrong with a shooty Defilier?

Well. For only abit more points I get 3 oblits, who I can stick in terriean to get a +4 cover save from lascannons and such that would ignore armour/instakill my oblits. This is alot more surviable then a huge AV12 defilier everyone shoots at 1st turn. (So hard to give that damn thing a cover save....) Oblits also alot more versitile dude to all the diffrent weapons they are rocking.

Notice they have less options in every codex to date.... I wouldn't be shocked at this point if you buy their weapons or if they had a light armor value lol.

Going to make several guesses based off GW patterns, older editions of the rules, and the dawn of war video games.

Cultists would probably be similar to GK warrior henchmen with a lower leadership for the squad, but with a LD9 squad leader. Guess based off old rules.

They will probably be able to carry Icons. Guess based off old rules

Probably just a standard troops choice with a squad size between 10-20. Guess based off old rules

They will probably look similar to cultists in the dawn of war video games. Guess based off old miniatures + Dawn of war.







I'm just looking forward to having cultists again.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

1hadhq wrote:To show their ongoing support of finecast products ?
Oblits are groups of 3, right? Thus finecast isn't bad if other more numerous choices are plastic...

Well... I dunno about you, but I am sensing a theme here.

Plastic Oblits seems likely to me.

I'm not. Every one of those is a multipart plastic sprue with numerous options and most importantly of all, they can't fit in a blister package. Obliterators are probably still going to be monopose mashes of guns with no actual customizeability. The hallmark of a finecast blister release is the lack of required options and relatively small scale. Thats not to say that they won't but they're shown their willingness to do so with anything that can fit in a blister in the past.

Wow, this actually, has me excited about my army now. Glad they will be doing a plastic Dread, was about to go in for a FW Contemptor to convert up.

Slayer le boucher wrote:

Cadaver wrote:I have to say, I'm not too convinced we will see plastic plaguebearers for the Chaos Space Marines release. It doesn't make much sense. Assuming Daemons will stay a separate codex, which they should,

No they shouldn't, this was the most stupid decision they've made.

Giving Deamons or even GK's their own codex is like giving Vespids or Ratlings or even Ogryns their own Codex, this might sound fun at first, but it is stupid.

I do hope that if Chaos is redone as a whole we get A; a true use for Deamons in Legions codex, or B; a new and better Deamon codex after the Legion one.

On a different note, i do hope for Plastic HQ's choices, after all nearly all the recent plastics Heroes for Battle where of really good quality.

Also for the Cultist/Renegades units in the new Chaos, maybe we will have a Coteaz§Henchman combo into Chaos, Take that "XXX Named Alpha legion Char and Cultists units become scoring".

Amen and exalted! Codex Daemons and Chaos Space Marines SHOULD have been in the SAME book or at minimum cross usuable. Along with cultists....

Rbb wrote:Everybody is wanting plastic oblits, but what I really want is more than one viable choice in heavy support.

*cough* Hell Talon *cough*
*cough* Hell Blade *cough*

...I mean given current...Stormravens....Valks and Vendettas....Razorwing and Void Ravens...*whistles and walks off*

*looks at Hell Talon and Hell Blade*

Yeah, not nearly spiky or skully enough. I think we'll instead see the Skullspike Fighter, which will be a flying stylised skull covered in highly aerodynamic spikes. The kit will also allow you to make the Spikeskull Assault Craft, a transport/bomber. Both will come equipped with Bloodspike Rockets or Hellskull Bombs.

H.B.M.C. wrote:*looks at Hell Talon and Hell Blade*

Yeah, not nearly spiky or skully enough. I think we'll instead see the Skullspike Fighter, which will be a flying stylised skull covered in highly aerodynamic spikes. The kit will also allow you to make the Spikeskull Assault Craft, a transport/bomber. Both will come equipped with Bloodspike Rockets or Hellskull Bombs.

lol, only if ward writes the book which i pray to Khorne he does not

H.B.M.C. wrote:*looks at Hell Talon and Hell Blade*

Yeah, not nearly spiky or skully enough. I think we'll instead see the Skullspike Fighter, which will be a flying stylised skull covered in highly aerodynamic spikes. The kit will also allow you to make the Spikeskull Assault Craft, a transport/bomber. Both will come equipped with Bloodspike Rockets or Hellskull Bombs.

I'm with you here and it could look like this!

Slayer le boucher: Take that "XXX Named Alpha legion Char and Cultists units become scoring".

there will actualy be 3 alpha legion SCs and their names will all be Alpharius! :-)

I'm hoping for plastic oblits, hell they sell enough of them to make it worth the cost of the plastic mold.

We need drop pods, and flavor that's about it. I hope they make some legion rules, but if they don't they better make marking things more thematic (things like mark specific deamons and lords actualy acting like they follow a god, not this "cultist lite" crap). that and i want to see raptors that don't cost 100 bucks a squad.