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It better not be a "Take Special Character X to play Legion X" affair. Can you imagine all the Emperor's Children players out there who don't want to bring Lucius the Eternally Useless to every game?

Wouldn't the HQs be remade too? One would assume that the HQs would be less useless.

The approach they've been taking is unlocking different parts of the codex as troop choices, that might be what they're planning here too.

H.B.M.C. wrote:It better not be a "Take Special Character X to play Legion X" affair. Can you imagine all the Emperor's Children players out there who don't want to bring Lucius the Eternally Useless to every game?

Legions aren't neccessarily the prominent part of a codex. Cultists included, the legionaires could get a new job as elite of a chaos warband....
You see, someone said the multiple codices are maybe no longer true

daedalus wrote:

Rbb wrote:Everybody is wanting plastic oblits, but what I really want is more than one viable choice in heavy support.

Non-CSM player here, but I see them occasionally. Having that been said, what's wrong with a shooty Defilier?

It takes up a heavy support slot, is huge but thinly armored and suffers from a poor balistic skill ( yes, even on a battlecannon bs 3 hurts ) without offering any real anti tank firepower.

I would certainly love to see some new noise marine stuff.

Would be pretty annoyed if they combined the CSM and Daemons though. Pretty sure they wont.

Eh. I'd rather Obliterators stay metal. I don't understand why so many people want plastic ones. They have no options anyway. There's no reason to make them plastic.

Plastic plague bearers sounds nice.


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Tacobake wrote:Obliterators:

1) Plastic
2) Lower points cost per model
3) Probably dump Havocs or move to Fast

/end rant

It's for the kids, see.

Oh god you are so misguided.

Seriously, if obliterators are your favorite part of the codex, I suggest you pick up another army. I have this feeling that... 80% of CSM players would drop them if obliterators were removed.

Xeriapt wrote:I would certainly love to see some new noise marine stuff.

Would be pretty annoyed if they combined the CSM and Daemons though. Pretty sure they wont.

why would you be annoyed? they were only separated so GW could try (and failed miserably) to make more money. sorry if it sounded as an attack, but i'm curious as to your reasoning because in all honesty daemons should be put back in to chaos marines

If none of the Daemon stuff was lost by combining books then it wouldnt be an issue, the assumption is that if the books were combined you would lose things from both daemons and CSM.

Either that or the book would just cost a heap more lol.

Harriticus wrote:I have 60 Forgeworld Cultists. Damn you GW if these ones look better.

I know how you feel

H.B.M.C. wrote:It better not be a "Take Special Character X to play Legion X" affair. Can you imagine all the Emperor's Children players out there who don't want to bring Lucius the Eternally Useless to every game?

I know you hate this kind of set up, but is there any recently updated codex that does it some other way?

I'd just like to see "Legionaries" as a highly mutable troop choice. Beyond that, it really can simply be a self regulated sense of characterization.

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Xeriapt wrote:I would certainly love to see some new noise marine stuff.

Would be pretty annoyed if they combined the CSM and Daemons though. Pretty sure they wont.

why would you be annoyed? they were only separated so GW could try (and failed miserably) to make more money. sorry if it sounded as an attack, but i'm curious as to your reasoning because in all honesty daemons should be put back in to chaos marines

They should only put Daemons back into the CSM codex if I can still play my all Daemons army. If not, then a subset of their customerbase will be even more annoyed than usual. In effect, combining the two without allowing for all-daemon armies (hopefully not via the "take X special character" route) would squat Daemons.

That is the main reason why it is highly doubtful that they would re-combine them.

And I get that YOU (and a lot of other people, I'm sure) believe that Daemons and CSM should be put back in the same book, but that is your OPINION, and stating that as fact tends to come across as combative. /

Anyone who thinks GW will invalidate a codex again is being foolish. Demons will stay seperate, Word Bearer players will continue to cry.

odorofdeath wrote:Anyone who thinks GW will invalidate a codex again is being foolish. Demons will stay seperate, Word Bearer players will continue to cry.

I agree. I don't even care about the major lesser daemons. Personally, I would just be happy with furies as a FA choice. It's not like we have any other worthwhile choices

Samus_aran115 wrote:

odorofdeath wrote:Anyone who thinks GW will invalidate a codex again is being foolish. Demons will stay seperate, Word Bearer players will continue to cry.

I agree. I don't even care about the major lesser daemons. Personally, I would just be happy with furies as a FA choice. It's not like we have any other worthwhile choices

LOL. Your poor FA...

I do have to agree with the general sentiment everyone has...boring daemons are boring...I don't care that I can use whatever model I want to represent them, I don't want my Daemons to be bloodletters - FC - PW.

VermGho5t wrote:Wow, this actually, has me excited about my army now. Glad they will be doing a plastic Dread, was about to go in for a FW Contemptor to convert up.

Even so, I'd wait on that Contemptor. Forgeworld will be releasing a Chaos one.

IF the CSM and daemon books are combined, and I consider this a big if, then more than likely Daemons will play similar to drop pods. Half your daemon units come in on first turn and the other half are in reserve.

ThatEdGuy wrote:IF the CSM and daemon books are combined, and I consider this a big if, then more than likely Daemons will play similar to drop pods. Half your daemon units come in on first turn and the other half are in reserve.

So like Daemons now.

odorofdeath wrote:Anyone who thinks GW will invalidate a codex again is being foolish. Demons will stay seperate,

100% correct.

So back to real CSM rumors. So far we know the following are getting plastic kits:

Dreadnought
Raptors

And we can reasonably expect Havocs to go plastic, as GW is removing all metal/plastic hybrid kits. This also means Rubric Marines and Noise Marines should be redone as well.

That would give us the following in plastic:

Dreadnought
Raptors
Havocs
Noise Marines
Thousand Sons

If there is any justice in this world, we should get new plastics for Berserkers , and plastic Obliterators. However, knowing the plastic metal kits will have to be addressed, and the availability of nice Berserker and Plague Marine kits from FW, I don't see berserkers as a huge priority for 1st wave updates. Sadly, as others have speculated, Obliterators fit the mold(no pun intended) for a finecast update. I really hope I'm wrong on that, though.

I don't see Berserkers getting updated before most other models. Aside from the gorilla hands they still hold up very well.

H.B.M.C. wrote:It better not be a "Take Special Character X to play Legion X" affair. Can you imagine all the Emperor's Children players out there who don't want to bring Lucius the Eternally Useless to every game?

I have to agree. Am I the only one out there that wants to make my own friggin' character? Designed the way I want out of a huge list of options? Bland as it may be, I've defended our most recent codex and still manage to win games with it, and even find a way to make my various legions somewhat fluffy, but the last thing I want to see is a huge list of named characters, that change the way the army plays, and you'd be almost stupid not to use. I mean, I use Vulkan in my marine list, because it seems stupid not to twin-link a bunch of weapons, but I hate doing it.

Anyone else feel this way?

Bold or Stupid wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:*looks at Hell Talon and Hell Blade*

Yeah, not nearly spiky or skully enough. I think we'll instead see the Skullspike Fighter, which will be a flying stylised skull covered in highly aerodynamic spikes. The kit will also allow you to make the Spikeskull Assault Craft, a transport/bomber. Both will come equipped with Bloodspike Rockets or Hellskull Bombs.

I'm with you here and it could look like this!

I used to own one of those as a kid. Think I might have the skull bit somewhere abouts.


As to the rumours, they sound very interesting. Any new plastics will be good in my book right now, it seems ages since we had anything of worth show up for CSM.

Well I just hope they don't go down the route of box of plastic for the 4 powers and one for the undivided legions, would be ace if they did a box for each
traitor legion or atleast made it so some of the undivided legions had some character from their legion, rather then here a box of CSM with tag of generic
on them.

Nerf wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:It better not be a "Take Special Character X to play Legion X" affair. Can you imagine all the Emperor's Children players out there who don't want to bring Lucius the Eternally Useless to every game?

I have to agree. Am I the only one out there that wants to make my own friggin' character? Designed the way I want out of a huge list of options? Bland as it may be, I've defended our most recent codex and still manage to win games with it, and even find a way to make my various legions somewhat fluffy, but the last thing I want to see is a huge list of named characters, that change the way the army plays, and you'd be almost stupid not to use. I mean, I use Vulkan in my marine list, because it seems stupid not to twin-link a bunch of weapons, but I hate doing it.

Anyone else feel this way?

This is entirely my opinion, so don't take as rumors or any such nonsense: I think you'll still be able to field a Lord/Sorc/Prince or w/e with a mark to unlock the cult marines. The difference between Chaos and Loyalist marines is that Loyalists don't get marks, but Chaos does-these marks on HQs should be the unlocking factor, or else the army is seriously limited. Special character marines don't unlock troops as different things, they allow special rules to accompany models you can already play in the vanilla book. Yes, offshoot marine books (SW, GK, BA, DA) allow units to jump to troops, but the mistake is assuming Chaos will be treated as a Space Marine offshoot, not treated as the antithesis of the Space Marine book. Just my thoughts.

Xeriapt wrote:If none of the Daemon stuff was lost by combining books then it wouldnt be an issue, the assumption is that if the books were combined you would lose things from both daemons and CSM.

Either that or the book would just cost a heap more lol.

Exactly. I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE my daemons, they better not kill them :(

Bold or Stupid wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:*looks at Hell Talon and Hell Blade*

Yeah, not nearly spiky or skully enough. I think we'll instead see the Skullspike Fighter, which will be a flying stylised skull covered in highly aerodynamic spikes. The kit will also allow you to make the Spikeskull Assault Craft, a transport/bomber. Both will come equipped with Bloodspike Rockets or Hellskull Bombs.

I'm with you here and it could look like this!

Where's that from?
The pilot looks a bit like a Brotherhood of Nod trooper

H.B.M.C. wrote:It better not be a "Take Special Character X to play Legion X" affair. Can you imagine all the Emperor's Children players out there who don't want to bring Lucius the Eternally Useless to every game?

I happen to like Lucius, though why he's listed as having artificer armor in the fluff (same with kharn) And not having it in the profile..Yet they've YET to fix that... Codex author and FAQ writers.

But I'd like the third edition style of Lord/Sorcerer + Marks = Troops.

What I would like is for berserkers to actually be the most unit devastating in CC (like in the fluff), and not take 2nd place to blood angels.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Bold or Stupid wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:*looks at Hell Talon and Hell Blade*

Yeah, not nearly spiky or skully enough. I think we'll instead see the Skullspike Fighter, which will be a flying stylised skull covered in highly aerodynamic spikes. The kit will also allow you to make the Spikeskull Assault Craft, a transport/bomber. Both will come equipped with Bloodspike Rockets or Hellskull Bombs.

I'm with you here and it could look like this!

Where's that from?
The pilot looks a bit like a Brotherhood of Nod trooper

Action Force, basically the British GI Joe.

Yeah, but only in the first incantation. They where the Red Shadows under Baron Ironblood, v's normal armed forces. So SAS, Marines etc.

That was the poorly named Roboskull, and had a pilot called Red Wolf.

At some point in the early eighties, Hasbro decided to mash what was GI Joe and Action Force together. So we got all the GI Joe figures, but with an actual international flavour, so although there where lots of Americans, at least a third where from other countries.

Ironblood became Cobra Commander, and Cobra took over as the baddies.

Was quite disapointed when I discovered in america GI Joe where all US folks, seemed a more interesting idea of an international task force.

When I was a kid I always wanted one of those roboskull things but never had any action force stuff