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Rumours look good... but hadn't we had a rumour that said we'd be getting the lesser gods deamons back as troop choices in the new dex? It would make sense to me tbh.. same as All astartes chapters get the similar kit out why not let chaos share some daemons? I can understand the justification to keep GD's removed.

I'd despise having army kit outs based around SC's.. it takes so much away from the game basing it around SC's like it is atm. Part of the narritive I grew up playing was making my own generals and army leaders/heroes and villains with my own rule load outs from the codex's.. but IT WILL happen. It happens now with Necrons, other Space Marine chapters.. I havn't played an army in three years that doesn't have a special character in other than Tyranids.

It's depressing!

Personnaly i don't mind SC's who change an Army, now i can see that for some peoples this is an issue, because their favorite Legion got stuck with Useless/Boring/whatevring Char and they don't like them.

BUT, if GW could be smart about it( and thats a big BUT!), in place of having to force the SC to change the army, give the SC's the "Lord of XXX Legion" option, and this option would also be an option for Lords/Dp's.

Once you have this "Lord of XXX Legion" option ,you then can play the Legion you like, without to be forced to be with a Char you don't like.

Well for me i stick with Kharn anyways, but for other army's and people that might work.

timetowaste85 wrote:

Nerf wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:It better not be a "Take Special Character X to play Legion X" affair. Can you imagine all the Emperor's Children players out there who don't want to bring Lucius the Eternally Useless to every game?

I have to agree. Am I the only one out there that wants to make my own friggin' character? Designed the way I want out of a huge list of options? Bland as it may be, I've defended our most recent codex and still manage to win games with it, and even find a way to make my various legions somewhat fluffy, but the last thing I want to see is a huge list of named characters, that change the way the army plays, and you'd be almost stupid not to use. I mean, I use Vulkan in my marine list, because it seems stupid not to twin-link a bunch of weapons, but I hate doing it.

Anyone else feel this way?

This is entirely my opinion, so don't take as rumors or any such nonsense: I think you'll still be able to field a Lord/Sorc/Prince or w/e with a mark to unlock the cult marines. The difference between Chaos and Loyalist marines is that Loyalists don't get marks, but Chaos does-these marks on HQs should be the unlocking factor, or else the army is seriously limited. Special character marines don't unlock troops as different things, they allow special rules to accompany models you can already play in the vanilla book. Yes, offshoot marine books (SW, GK, BA, DA) allow units to jump to troops, but the mistake is assuming Chaos will be treated as a Space Marine offshoot, not treated as the antithesis of the Space Marine book. Just my thoughts.

Their was talk of lesser chaos deities being expanded upon in the new book. If that's the route they go, you might be able to buy "The mark of the Iron Warrioirs" or "Mark of the Nightlords" to unlocks thows variants.

But sadly that might make to much scene.
XD

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Yeah, but only in the first incantation. They where the Red Shadows under Baron Ironblood, v's normal armed forces. So SAS, Marines etc.
...
Ironblood became Cobra Commander, and Cobra took over as the baddies.

A few years ago the Red Shadows reappeared in the GI Joe verse thanks to the comics. They killed Serpentor and Lady Jaye while trying to destroy both Cobra and GI Joe. I wish someone would release the old Action Force comics, they were great.

Anyway... back on topic. All this talk of Chaos is starting my "New Year/Edition, New Army" itch... dammit! Even if it is all false, it can't get any worse than the current edition, can it?

A few years ago the Red Shadows reappeared in the GI Joe verse thanks to the comics. They killed Serpentor and Lady Jaye while trying to destroy both Cobra and GI Joe. I wish someone would release the old Action Force comics, they were great.

Can I recommend http://bloodforthebaron.com/comics/baf/index.html

I have only just seen this. Please say its all true, as it's long, long, long overdue.

odorofdeath wrote:Anyone who thinks GW will invalidate a codex again is being foolish. Demons will stay seperate, Word Bearer players will continue to cry.

Tell that to black templar players who just got dropped....

Red Corsair wrote:

odorofdeath wrote:Anyone who thinks GW will invalidate a codex again is being foolish. Demons will stay seperate, Word Bearer players will continue to cry.

Tell that to black templar players who just got dropped....

We didn't get dropped, we just aren't in the update arena at the moment. And we still have a lot of goodies, that may get even more powerful in 6th. Preferred enemy for all initiates rumored in 6th? Why, I believe that includes vehicles as they are crewed by initiates. We can also customize our ICs better than anyone else, with everything at an equal/better price (just our transports are over-expensive, plus grenades). I'd say we're okay, if just a bit stale at the moment.

Also, can't wait for plastic Noise Marines and being able to field a fully Slaanesh army that's competitive!!

Yea except they will most likely get a gak dwarf update, which after seeing those poor space nuns get reared feels like a drop.

Red Corsair wrote:Yea except they will most likely get a gak dwarf update, which after seeing those poor space nuns get reared feels like a drop.

Except, you know, Chaos is an army that actually sells. Your GW hate is strong, young one.

Red Corsair wrote:Yea except they will most likely get a gak dwarf update, which after seeing those poor space nuns get reared feels like a drop.

Because thats exactly what happened with Blood Angels right?

The last "army" that really got dropped were the things from chapter approved, thats was like 8 years ago

Crayola wrote:

Red Corsair wrote:Yea except they will most likely get a gak dwarf update, which after seeing those poor space nuns get reared feels like a drop.

Except, you know, Chaos is an army that actually sells. Your GW hate is strong, young one.

I think he meant BT, not Chaos. Well, if they get a WD codex, I'll pick it up, see if I like it, and if I don't, I won't acknowledge its existence

I'd like to see a fast attack choice that is actually worthwhile.

Librarian Dreadnoughts, anyone?

"- the book is done and almost at the printers "

Does this mean it will be the next released codex, or are we going to have to wait until after Dark Angels?

Any speculation on a release date?


P.S. = A lot of you folks are muddying the waters by bringing in rumors Ghost21 released. Do your homework; all of his stuff can be considered bogus at this point.


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H.B.M.C. wrote:*looks at Hell Talon and Hell Blade*

Yeah, not nearly spiky or skully enough. I think we'll instead see the Skullspike Fighter, which will be a flying stylised skull covered in highly aerodynamic spikes. The kit will also allow you to make the Spikeskull Assault Craft, a transport/bomber. Both will come equipped with Bloodspike Rockets or Hellskull Bombs.

Can you lay off the skull comments with every other post? It is getting old.

Agree with the above. I think Ghost was the one saying we'd see a plastic dreadnought and raptors.

We're getting a plastic dreadnought in the starter box. That doesn't mean we'll actually get a plastic KIT.

Raptors were just done in finecast. Would be a terrible move to make new ones in plastic. Those molds still have some life in them (despite being horrid models).

Plastic Havocs seem unlikely as well. No one uses them, and GW knows that. Why waste time on new plastics? Might as well make then finecrap.

Berserkers are a plastic kit. Nuff said. GW won't replace them just because of their gorilla hands.

I wouldn't say GW is trying to eliminate plastic metal hybrid kits either.

Kairos wrote:Can you lay off the skull comments with every other post? It is getting old.

Others seemed to find it funny. Can you generate/install a sense of humour? Kthnxbye!

You would think then that if havoks are the current crap choice they will be stronger in the next codex so that people buy those instead of keeping all the oblits theyve already bought and not spending more money on new shinies.

Samus_aran115 wrote:We're getting a plastic dreadnought in the starter box. That doesn't mean we'll actually get a plastic KIT.

Which would be a tremendous wasted opportunity. Marines have 4 plastic Dread kits. Surely Chaos can have one. Plus the Chaos Dread hasn’t gone Finecost, so there’s a chance that’s because they’re doing a plastic one and there’s no reason to switch mediums.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Raptors were just done in finecast. Would be a terrible move to make new ones in plastic. Those molds still have some life in them (despite being horrid models).

Really? A ‘terrible move’? Hyperbole much. The Raptor models are three editions old, and a replacement given what they can do with plastics (look at the Scourges) would be a good idea, especially if they can do what they’ve been doing recently and making it a two-units-in-one box, so Raptors and [something else].

Samus_aran115 wrote:Plastic Havocs seem unlikely as well. No one uses them, and GW knows that. Why waste time on new plastics? Might as well make then finecrap.

False dilemma. False reasoning.

No one uses them now in the current rules. That doesn’t mean that that won’t change in the new rules. You cannot base model releases on current rules because the current rules are meaningless when we’re discussing a new book. Moreover, GW does not want hybrids, therefore plastic Havocs are a great idea.

Samus_aran115 wrote:I wouldn't say GW is trying to eliminate plastic metal hybrid kits either.

Why?

Samus_aran115 wrote:Agree with the above. I think Ghost was the one saying we'd see a plastic dreadnought and raptors.

We're getting a plastic dreadnought in the starter box. That doesn't mean we'll actually get a plastic KIT.

Raptors were just done in finecast. Would be a terrible move to make new ones in plastic. Those molds still have some life in them (despite being horrid models).

Plastic Havocs seem unlikely as well. No one uses them, and GW knows that. Why waste time on new plastics? Might as well make then finecrap.

Berserkers are a plastic kit. Nuff said. GW won't replace them just because of their gorilla hands.

I wouldn't say GW is trying to eliminate plastic metal hybrid kits either.

Why do you think GW isn't trying to eliminate hybrid kits? Name one hybrid kit that's been released in the last three years.

Hastings said plastic Raptors too, IIRC, which would actually be legit. HBMC has a point in that the lack of a Finecast Chaos Dreadnought points towards a new kit.

Havocs will get made better, new kit will be sold. Makes perfect sense. Devastators weren't exactly in every army list when the DA codex came out, but GW made a plastic kit for them too.

The only point I agree with you on at all is that GW won't do new Berserkers since they have a serviceable (if flawed) plastic kit.

black templar will be next. if there is a codex release every 3 month then you might get tau seanking in before black templar.

However, the chances are low so I can say 90% sure black templar is next.

definatly not chaos.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

1hadhq wrote:To show their ongoing support of finecast products ?
Oblits are groups of 3, right? Thus finecast isn't bad if other more numerous choices are plastic...

Well... I dunno about you, but I am sensing a theme here.

Plastic Oblits seems likely to me.

Is it bad that I clicked on every link to be sure? :/

Marthike wrote:black templar will be next. if there is a codex release every 3 month then you might get tau seanking in before black templar.

However, the chances are low so I can say 90% sure black templar is next.

definatly not chaos.

Proof? Where are you getting this info from?

Also, at Brother SRM's post: I like the current Berzerkers...I think they're a fun kit. I've purchased 30 models for them

Samus_aran115 wrote:Agree with the above. I think Ghost was the one saying we'd see a plastic dreadnought and raptors.

We're getting a plastic dreadnought in the starter box. That doesn't mean we'll actually get a plastic KIT.

Raptors were just done in finecast. Would be a terrible move to make new ones in plastic. Those molds still have some life in them (despite being horrid models).

Plastic Havocs seem unlikely as well. No one uses them, and GW knows that. Why waste time on new plastics? Might as well make then finecrap.

Berserkers are a plastic kit. Nuff said. GW won't replace them just because of their gorilla hands.

I wouldn't say GW is trying to eliminate plastic metal hybrid kits either.

By your logic, SM dread in Black Reach means no regular SM dreadnought. Or like in reality there's Standard, Venerable, Ironclad and Furioso versions. I'm not saying we'll see 4 different dreadnoughts for Chaos, but one multi-pose and a starter set version isn't unreasonable.

Hastings confirmed plastic raptors. Do your research before purporting to know which rumors are valid and which aren't.

As for Havocs, GW has not let a single kit remain a plastic/metal hybrid for many, many releases. They don't convert plastic/metal hybrids to finecast either, only solid metal models. Havocs aren't used, like many other entries in the Chaos codex because they are worthless due to outdated point costs and rules from a sorely aging book. That is an issue with the codex being a pile of crap, that doesn't mean units won't be made more efficient in the new book.

Berserkers will most likely stay as is, but GW will replace whatever unit they think will sell, and if the new rules make Berserkers a monster CC unit, I could see them putting out a new kit to sell more models. I don't expect it but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

GW are, most definitely making a very concerted effort to eliminate plastic/metal hybrid kits. It is, in fact, a stated goal.

timetowaste85 wrote:
Also, at Brother SRM's post: I like the current Berzerkers...I think they're a fun kit. I've purchased 30 models for them

Hey, I dig em! I even painted some in December! They're just a fairly dated kit, with the goofy hands, which is kind of curious since they came out after the modern Space Marines who have hands that look pretty damn good.

Marthike wrote:black templar will be next. if there is a codex release every 3 month then you might get tau seanking in before black templar.

However, the chances are low so I can say 90% sure black templar is next.

definatly not chaos.

No, they aren't. They are not even on the horizon. Ghost21 fed people a line of BS, and that was spread around until it became fact to some. Harry and Hastings have stated, with great assurance that BT are a good ways off. Their word may as well be the official word of GW, since we can't be granted that from GW themselves.

In any event, this is a Chaos rumors thread, and I'm 90% sure discussing BT here is off topic and should be discussed elsewhere.

LazzurusMan wrote:Is it bad that I clicked on every link to be sure? :/

I'm actually glad you did.


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timetowaste85 wrote:Also, at Brother SRM's post: I like the current Berzerkers...I think they're a fun kit. I've purchased 30 models for them

Plus they're like fries - they sorta come with everything. Nearly every Chaos box since their inception has come with 8-12 Berzerkers. I've got dozens of them, and not always by choice. As I said, they're just sorta always there.

I just want Noise Marines that don't constantly fall on their faces. Having a huge chunk of metal on the front of a plastic model 2/3rds the way up was not a good idea.

Marthike wrote:black templar will be next. if there is a codex release every 3 month then you might get tau seanking in before black templar.

However, the chances are low so I can say 90% sure black templar is next.

definatly not chaos.

Can you site your source? Looking at the White Dwarf spine, I would say Dark Angels are next.

Chaos has to be very soon. It is one of the largest selling armies, and a large portion of the current player base is disgruntled with the current book.


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H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kairos wrote:Can you lay off the skull comments with every other post? It is getting old.

Others seemed to find it funny. Can you generate/install a sense of humour? Kthnxbye!

It was okay the first or second time. Every time I open a thread that has you posting in it, there is inevitably a comment about too many skulls.

Okay, we get the point. Let's now think of something constructive to post.

Cadaver wrote:By your logic, SM dread in Black Reach means no regular SM dreadnought. Or like in reality there's Standard, Venerable, Ironclad and Furioso versions. I'm not saying we'll see 4 different dreadnoughts for Chaos, but one multi-pose and a starter set version isn't unreasonable.

However, none of the dreadnoughts have the 'default' Multimelta option. Only the AoBR dread has that. Which means at the very least we can probably expect the Chaos dread to get hosed for the most useful option as that'll probably be in the new starter box.

They don't convert plastic/metal hybrids to finecast either, only solid metal models.

Mr. Hive Tyrant would like a word with you. He's currently the only Finecast-plastic hybrid alive as tyranids have always followed an odd pattern of plastic options for metal critters.