bigboss1o1 wrote:

 namiel wrote:
Was.

What happened if you dont mind my asking or PM me if ya dont want the whole imperium to know lol im hitting my 8th year soon.

Malik_Raynor wrote:
Vote for the Watcher of the Dark!

 namiel wrote:
Does anyone else have any chapter master rules?????

I have draigo, seth, dante, cullen, and moloc.

 namiel wrote:
reading dante's rules...he is going to win

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 namiel wrote:
reading dante's rules...he is going to win

Nah I think Calgars got this or even Logan one wound on Dante S8 or higher and he turns to paint.

 namiel wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 namiel wrote:
reading dante's rules...he is going to win

Nah I think Calgars got this or even Logan one wound on Dante S8 or higher and he turns to paint.

dante lowers the statline and has hit and run so he can keep coming in and out of combat to keep charging

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 namiel wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 namiel wrote:
reading dante's rules...he is going to win

Nah I think Calgars got this or even Logan one wound on Dante S8 or higher and he turns to paint.

dante lowers the statline and has hit and run so he can keep coming in and out of combat to keep charging

I have faith that, that over fluffed up golden boy will go down in one hit from someone.

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 namiel wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 namiel wrote:
reading dante's rules...he is going to win

Nah I think Calgars got this or even Logan one wound on Dante S8 or higher and he turns to paint.

dante lowers the statline and has hit and run so he can keep coming in and out of combat to keep charging

I have faith that, that over fluffed up golden boy will go down in one hit from someone.

-1 S part of that mask? been a LOOONNNGGGGG time since i played DA

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 namiel wrote:
Does anyone else have any chapter master rules?????

I have draigo, seth, dante, cullen, and moloc.

I have Logan, Azreal, Calgar, Pedro, and Helbrecht.

 Happyjew wrote:
Angelos, Tu'Shan, Jubal, Vlasimir and Kardan do not have stats.

 Happyjew wrote:
Angelos, Tu'Shan, Jubal, Vlasimir and Kardan do not have stats.

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Angelos, Tu'Shan, Jubal, Vlasimir and Kardan do not have stats.

Sadly that is true, sigh how do captains get rules before CM's.

 namiel wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Angelos, Tu'Shan, Jubal, Vlasimir and Kardan do not have stats.

Sadly that is true, sigh how do captains get rules before CM's.

those are from lame chapters. Should we use stand in's? like lysander or vulkan hestan?

 Happyjew wrote:
If we are allowing Captains to take the field for their respective CMs, we have everyone except Angelos and Stronos.

Niexist wrote:
If it is half melee, then Belial with his fleshbane sword of silence would be a good stand-in for Azrael if the watcher in the dark can't play.

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

Niexist wrote:
If it is half melee, then Belial with his fleshbane sword of silence would be a good stand-in for Azrael if the watcher in the dark can't play.

No no lol If you have a CM he's fighting its not our fault he sucks lol

 namiel wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

Niexist wrote:
If it is half melee, then Belial with his fleshbane sword of silence would be a good stand-in for Azrael if the watcher in the dark can't play.

No no lol If you have a CM he's fighting its not our fault he sucks lol

azrael is a gangster. Dont be fooled because GW hates the dark angels

 namiel wrote:
So the first 2 fight results are up.

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
First of all I ran the two of them face to face already with real dice not some digital crap Moloc won 4/6 and second of all READ FIRST POST!

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
First of all I ran the two of them face to face already with real dice not some digital crap Moloc won 4/6 and second of all READ FIRST POST!

And we're done. Thanks for playing folks!

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 Sasa0mg wrote:
I think Moloc's armor is hinged quite well he's definitely a lot more menueverable judging by his model and art work then any other terminator armor I've seen I don't see why he wouldn't be able to move himself as he needed to be. And no I was meaning that the spear thrust would just ultimately be lower if need be but I think his armor allows for just as good bodily rotations and movements then regular space marine armor. As again some of the most formidable (highest WS characters) are featured in power armor so it can't be cumbersome to the point of causing any real degree of hindrance as far as bodily movements goes.

Also the point of power armor is to strengthen the bodies movements the fact the spear is a relic blade combined with the terminator armor and the fact that if your saying dante is descending upon him there would be enough accumulative force in place to see the thrust hit home with considerable enough force to kill.

And if your problem is with the him not being able to react in terminator armor either way I have to remind you that Dante isn't a dark eldar witch at this point, he's not simply going to ninja himself around fast enough to overwhelm him, nor is that jump pack silent enough to disguise what he's doing at any point either so he would know full well what was going on.

It wouldnt be more maneuverable than Power armor, although he would be more maneuverable than any TDA out there. Still wont be able to draw back. Also, as its a brawl youd know your opponent is there, im saying if he deflects an axe strike (and the shield holds up) he would be slower to push Dante off and make a good thrust than dante would be to get out of attack range. Lets also remember axes are very good at destroying shields, so theres that. I agree if dante were diving straight down it would be laughably easy for moloc to kebab him, but in a brawl youre face to face, and Dante isnt stupid enough do dive headfirst at an opponent. Im also not saying he wont react, im saying he'd be slower than dante. Dante is no witch but fluff wise against an enemy in more cumbersome armor (be honest, termie armor no matter how well made would be more cumbersome than PA) he would be slightly faster. Enough to give him an edge.

Im sorry I do not care what the fluff says or how strong he is, he is not doing any kind of dancing with that Volkswagon beetle on his back i see him being just as if not more cumbersome then termie armor and the fact that im pretty sure his visual left and right limits are greatly hindered with that rediculous ornate helmet I mean Im just saying.

 namiel wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
I know its not the thrust of the argument... but here's Logan's Mathhammer

If he charges, he does 1.8 wounds on the charge, and Moloc gets his .851. Round 2 its 1.3 more for Logan... so end of two rounds its Moloc having taken 3.1 and Logan 1.7. End of third phase, dead Moloc and Logan's taken 2.553.

I might add, that I'm comfortable in saying Logan should have 4 wounds instead of 3, which makes this even more one sided if Logan charges.

Give Moloc the charge makes it close, Logan takes 2.836, but he'll take it before Moloc drops, so even odds that he's not around to hit back and kill Moloc.

Logan charges, he wins. Moloc charges, its a tossup. But again, I see no reason that Logan shouldn't have the CM statline improvement, giving him +1 wound. If you think that's fair, then Moloc loses to Logan either way.

mathhammer is crap. Just roll some dice. 1.8 wounds means crap. One can not loose 1.8 wounds its either 1 or 2

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:
Wow, first time I've seen anyone disregard Mathhammer.

Remember, Mathhammer does average results, so you can expect what happens when you roll the dice.

Still can't believe how people disregard MathHammer as "crap".

Lucarikx

Also, whats the point of doing brackets, Bigboss, if you don't count TT?

Sorry i took a break, i see the troll is still well fed. As for brackets, if we are calling it on fluff again, no point. Plus, 3 wouldnt be an accurate number. If i flip a coin 3 times and get all heads that means little. Now i flip a coin 1,000 times and get all heads i more than likely have a double-headed coin.


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 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:
Y'know, on the TT the Death Mask doesn't care if you have Fearless or not.

Also, weapon skill doesn't depend on maneuverability as much as does on the martial prowess of the character - meaning a nimble eldar civilian won't have a higher weapon skill than say a Dreadnought.

Unless you have it in front of you, a SS doesn't do a thing if you have a melta aimed at your face.

The Spear relies on jabbing actions to be dangerous. You can swing an Axe around and land hits something in swifter motions.

Pff... If you get hit repeatedly in soft mesh and get your leg amputated you won't be fighting much longer.

Do we have any fluff evidence of Moloc killing ANYONE important in single combat? He knows how to insult people, and thats really about it......

Lucarikx

yes on the TT is guess what irrelevant and yet again you have given NO proof whatsoever that says terminator armor prevents you from thrusting a spear which i think is the most desperate defense you guys have with NOTHING to back it up, and no sorry your are wrong bub the WS is his effectiveness in close combat its not the prowess of anything and effectiveness relies on what your ability to use your weapon which goes hand in hand with what??? maneuverability wow! soo i repeat since you have no logical proof to substantiate any of your desperate claims to victory aside from well......nothing and im not going to sift through my badab books but no most people he fights run in fear even a necron lord.

Dude, read my post again. I said maneuverability was a part of it, but the skill is whats most important. Also, I never said TDA prevents you from using a spear..... I just said theres only 1 real way a using a spear in combat.

Go read about your weapons a bit more, there's a good reason why spears are less efficient than axes.

Go read Moloc's Lexicanum article, he got his a$$ kicked my Maktlan Kutlakh, the Necron Lord of the Maynark Dynasty, who promptly vented Moloc into space after nearly killing him.

If he killed some nameless Necron Lord, good for him. If you aren't familiar with the Necron hierarchy, Necron lords are like advisers to the Overlords, who command the Dynasties.

Lucarikx

instead of reading lexicanum read Imperial armour volume 12 in which his termies die his contempter buddy dies and muktlan gets speared and on his retreat vents moloc, moloc does not get a scratch from muktlan

So moloc not only DIDNT kill his enemy but let him get away AND was fool enough to get vented while fully functional? hows this guy still a CM?

really cus last I checked Skarbrands still alive soo what does that say about Dante?

 DarthOvious wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
First of all I ran the two of them face to face already with real dice not some digital crap Moloc won 4/6 and second of all READ FIRST POST!

Well good for you. My friend and I did the same and Dante won 2 games to 1.


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:
First of all I ran the two of them face to face already with real dice not some digital crap Moloc won 4/6 and second of all READ FIRST POST!

And we're done. Thanks for playing folks!

He probably forgot that Dante nerfs him and was using his full stats for Moloc.


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 bigboss1o1 wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 Sasa0mg wrote:
I think Moloc's armor is hinged quite well he's definitely a lot more menueverable judging by his model and art work then any other terminator armor I've seen I don't see why he wouldn't be able to move himself as he needed to be. And no I was meaning that the spear thrust would just ultimately be lower if need be but I think his armor allows for just as good bodily rotations and movements then regular space marine armor. As again some of the most formidable (highest WS characters) are featured in power armor so it can't be cumbersome to the point of causing any real degree of hindrance as far as bodily movements goes.

Also the point of power armor is to strengthen the bodies movements the fact the spear is a relic blade combined with the terminator armor and the fact that if your saying dante is descending upon him there would be enough accumulative force in place to see the thrust hit home with considerable enough force to kill.

And if your problem is with the him not being able to react in terminator armor either way I have to remind you that Dante isn't a dark eldar witch at this point, he's not simply going to ninja himself around fast enough to overwhelm him, nor is that jump pack silent enough to disguise what he's doing at any point either so he would know full well what was going on.

It wouldnt be more maneuverable than Power armor, although he would be more maneuverable than any TDA out there. Still wont be able to draw back. Also, as its a brawl youd know your opponent is there, im saying if he deflects an axe strike (and the shield holds up) he would be slower to push Dante off and make a good thrust than dante would be to get out of attack range. Lets also remember axes are very good at destroying shields, so theres that. I agree if dante were diving straight down it would be laughably easy for moloc to kebab him, but in a brawl youre face to face, and Dante isnt stupid enough do dive headfirst at an opponent. Im also not saying he wont react, im saying he'd be slower than dante. Dante is no witch but fluff wise against an enemy in more cumbersome armor (be honest, termie armor no matter how well made would be more cumbersome than PA) he would be slightly faster. Enough to give him an edge.

Im sorry I do not care what the fluff says or how strong he is, he is not doing any kind of dancing with that Volkswagon beetle on his back i see him being just as if not more cumbersome then termie armor and the fact that im pretty sure his visual left and right limits are greatly hindered with that rediculous ornate helmet I mean Im just saying.

This response right here says it all. He doesn't care about the table top results and he doesn't care about what the fluff says. He has no basis now for any of his arguments.


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 namiel wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
I know its not the thrust of the argument... but here's Logan's Mathhammer

If he charges, he does 1.8 wounds on the charge, and Moloc gets his .851. Round 2 its 1.3 more for Logan... so end of two rounds its Moloc having taken 3.1 and Logan 1.7. End of third phase, dead Moloc and Logan's taken 2.553.

I might add, that I'm comfortable in saying Logan should have 4 wounds instead of 3, which makes this even more one sided if Logan charges.

Give Moloc the charge makes it close, Logan takes 2.836, but he'll take it before Moloc drops, so even odds that he's not around to hit back and kill Moloc.

Logan charges, he wins. Moloc charges, its a tossup. But again, I see no reason that Logan shouldn't have the CM statline improvement, giving him +1 wound. If you think that's fair, then Moloc loses to Logan either way.

mathhammer is crap. Just roll some dice. 1.8 wounds means crap. One can not loose 1.8 wounds its either 1 or 2

The we'll say two since statistically it's 2 wounds four out of every five fights.


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 bigboss1o1 wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:
Wow, first time I've seen anyone disregard Mathhammer.

Remember, Mathhammer does average results, so you can expect what happens when you roll the dice.

Still can't believe how people disregard MathHammer as "crap".

Lucarikx

Also, whats the point of doing brackets, Bigboss, if you don't count TT?

Sorry i took a break, i see the troll is still well fed. As for brackets, if we are calling it on fluff again, no point. Plus, 3 wouldnt be an accurate number. If i flip a coin 3 times and get all heads that means little. Now i flip a coin 1,000 times and get all heads i more than likely have a double-headed coin.


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 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:
Y'know, on the TT the Death Mask doesn't care if you have Fearless or not.

Also, weapon skill doesn't depend on maneuverability as much as does on the martial prowess of the character - meaning a nimble eldar civilian won't have a higher weapon skill than say a Dreadnought.

Unless you have it in front of you, a SS doesn't do a thing if you have a melta aimed at your face.

The Spear relies on jabbing actions to be dangerous. You can swing an Axe around and land hits something in swifter motions.

Pff... If you get hit repeatedly in soft mesh and get your leg amputated you won't be fighting much longer.

Do we have any fluff evidence of Moloc killing ANYONE important in single combat? He knows how to insult people, and thats really about it......

Lucarikx

yes on the TT is guess what irrelevant and yet again you have given NO proof whatsoever that says terminator armor prevents you from thrusting a spear which i think is the most desperate defense you guys have with NOTHING to back it up, and no sorry your are wrong bub the WS is his effectiveness in close combat its not the prowess of anything and effectiveness relies on what your ability to use your weapon which goes hand in hand with what??? maneuverability wow! soo i repeat since you have no logical proof to substantiate any of your desperate claims to victory aside from well......nothing and im not going to sift through my badab books but no most people he fights run in fear even a necron lord.

Dude, read my post again. I said maneuverability was a part of it, but the skill is whats most important. Also, I never said TDA prevents you from using a spear..... I just said theres only 1 real way a using a spear in combat.

Go read about your weapons a bit more, there's a good reason why spears are less efficient than axes.

Go read Moloc's Lexicanum article, he got his a$$ kicked my Maktlan Kutlakh, the Necron Lord of the Maynark Dynasty, who promptly vented Moloc into space after nearly killing him.

If he killed some nameless Necron Lord, good for him. If you aren't familiar with the Necron hierarchy, Necron lords are like advisers to the Overlords, who command the Dynasties.

Lucarikx

instead of reading lexicanum read Imperial armour volume 12 in which his termies die his contempter buddy dies and muktlan gets speared and on his retreat vents moloc, moloc does not get a scratch from muktlan

So moloc not only DIDNT kill his enemy but let him get away AND was fool enough to get vented while fully functional? hows this guy still a CM?

really cus last I checked Skarbrands still alive soo what does that say about Dante?

Duh!!!!! Daemons never truly die, they just get sent back to the warp, but they can come back again. Same thing would happen if Moloc killed a daemon.