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 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:
Y'know, on the TT the Death Mask doesn't care if you have Fearless or not.

Also, weapon skill doesn't depend on maneuverability as much as does on the martial prowess of the character - meaning a nimble eldar civilian won't have a higher weapon skill than say a Dreadnought.

Unless you have it in front of you, a SS doesn't do a thing if you have a melta aimed at your face.

The Spear relies on jabbing actions to be dangerous. You can swing an Axe around and land hits something in swifter motions.

Pff... If you get hit repeatedly in soft mesh and get your leg amputated you won't be fighting much longer.

Do we have any fluff evidence of Moloc killing ANYONE important in single combat? He knows how to insult people, and thats really about it......

Lucarikx

yes on the TT is guess what irrelevant and yet again you have given NO proof whatsoever that says terminator armor prevents you from thrusting a spear which i think is the most desperate defense you guys have with NOTHING to back it up, and no sorry your are wrong bub the WS is his effectiveness in close combat its not the prowess of anything and effectiveness relies on what your ability to use your weapon which goes hand in hand with what??? maneuverability wow! soo i repeat since you have no logical proof to substantiate any of your desperate claims to victory aside from well......nothing and im not going to sift through my badab books but no most people he fights run in fear even a necron lord.

Dude, read my post again. I said maneuverability was a part of it, but the skill is whats most important. Also, I never said TDA prevents you from using a spear..... I just said theres only 1 real way a using a spear in combat.

Go read about your weapons a bit more, there's a good reason why spears are less efficient than axes.

Go read Moloc's Lexicanum article, he got his a$$ kicked my Maktlan Kutlakh, the Necron Lord of the Maynark Dynasty, who promptly vented Moloc into space after nearly killing him.

If he killed some nameless Necron Lord, good for him. If you aren't familiar with the Necron hierarchy, Necron lords are like advisers to the Overlords, who command the Dynasties.

Lucarikx

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 namiel wrote:
So I am insanly bored here at work. I need a list of all chapter masters and I will load them into a bracket. All I need are names of characters who actually have rules so that I can roll off the fights.

look on the poll my friend those are about 90% of them have them duke it out in idunno alphabetical order?

I need one more to make it an even bracket. I will organize them randomly

I have no idea why I'm reading this, it's gone full of the rails... But a couple things.

1) It doesn't matter if "in real life" you can't use a spear effectively in close combat. Obviously Moloc can, his fluff is built around him being able to fight with it. 40k isn't realistic, lol

2) Terminator Armor is more cumbersome than Power Armor, that's pretty clear in the fluff. A high WS doesn't have anything to do with how fast someone is. But being slower than someone doesn't mean you will lose to them. Cain Velasquez is a lot slower than Frankie Edgar, he would still turn him into paste in a fight. A Great Unclean One is about as slow as it gets, but at WS6 he's still a much better fighter than a much quicker Eldar Guardian.

3) Marines fight with Jump Packs all the time, they don't constantly explode. That's a stupid argument. And don't just go citing JP8, how often do vehicles loaded up with JP8 actually "explode" from battle damage? The answer may as well be never. Fuel Lines catch on fire, but it's not the fuel cells that explode; it's ammo storage (and even that is incredibly rare, I've seen it a handful of times in multiple combat deployments)

 namiel wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 namiel wrote:
Why has no one set up a tournment bracket yet??????

Roll off, the winner gets to shoot then assault. Next round the other will shoot then assault. First to 3 wins will win the round.

can you do that?

Yes, Yes i can. Im sitting here at work on dakkadakka.....the doc I am working with today is watching netflix

soo like asterion, azreal and gabriel and gabriel you know what i mean till one remains that sounds like fun

I know its not the thrust of the argument... but here's Logan's Mathhammer

If he charges, he does 1.8 wounds on the charge, and Moloc gets his .851. Round 2 its 1.3 more for Logan... so end of two rounds its Moloc having taken 3.1 and Logan 1.7. End of third phase, dead Moloc and Logan's taken 2.553.

I might add, that I'm comfortable in saying Logan should have 4 wounds instead of 3, which makes this even more one sided if Logan charges.

Give Moloc the charge makes it close, Logan takes 2.836, but he'll take it before Moloc drops, so even odds that he's not around to hit back and kill Moloc.

Logan charges, he wins. Moloc charges, its a tossup. But again, I see no reason that Logan shouldn't have the CM statline improvement, giving him +1 wound. If you think that's fair, then Moloc loses to Logan either way.

anonymou5 wrote:
I have no idea why I'm reading this, it's gone full of the rails... But a couple things.

1) It doesn't matter if "in real life" you can't use a spear effectively in close combat. Obviously Moloc can, his fluff is built around him being able to fight with it. 40k isn't realistic, lol

2) Terminator Armor is more cumbersome than Power Armor, that's pretty clear in the fluff. A high WS doesn't have anything to do with how fast someone is. But being slower than someone doesn't mean you will lose to them. Cain Velasquez is a lot slower than Frankie Edgar, he would still turn him into paste in a fight. A Great Unclean One is about as slow as it gets, but at WS6 he's still a much better fighter than a much quicker Eldar Guardian.

3) Marines fight with Jump Packs all the time, they don't constantly explode. That's a stupid argument. And don't just go citing JP8, how often do vehicles loaded up with JP8 actually "explode" from battle damage? The answer may as well be never. Fuel Lines catch on fire, but it's not the fuel cells that explode; it's ammo storage (and even that is incredibly rare, I've seen it a handful of times in multiple combat deployments)

I know the exloding thing was for kicks ive been playing to much Ultramarines online lol


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 Lobukia wrote:
I know its not the thrust of the argument... but here's Logan's Mathhammer

If he charges, he does 1.8 wounds on the charge, and Moloc gets his .851. Round 2 its 1.3 more for Logan... so end of two rounds its Moloc having taken 3.1 and Logan 1.7. End of third phase, dead Moloc and Logan's taken 2.553.

I might add, that I'm comfortable in saying Logan should have 4 wounds instead of 3, which makes this even more one sided if Logan charges.

Give Moloc the charge makes it close, Logan takes 2.836, but he'll take it before Moloc drops, so even odds that he's not around to hit back and kill Moloc.

Logan charges, he wins. Moloc charges, its a tossup. But again, I see no reason that Logan shouldn't have the CM statline improvement, giving him +1 wound. If you think that's fair, then Moloc loses to Logan either way.

is that including PE?

 Lobukia wrote:
I know its not the thrust of the argument... but here's Logan's Mathhammer

If he charges, he does 1.8 wounds on the charge, and Moloc gets his .851. Round 2 its 1.3 more for Logan... so end of two rounds its Moloc having taken 3.1 and Logan 1.7. End of third phase, dead Moloc and Logan's taken 2.553.

I might add, that I'm comfortable in saying Logan should have 4 wounds instead of 3, which makes this even more one sided if Logan charges.

Give Moloc the charge makes it close, Logan takes 2.836, but he'll take it before Moloc drops, so even odds that he's not around to hit back and kill Moloc.

Logan charges, he wins. Moloc charges, its a tossup. But again, I see no reason that Logan shouldn't have the CM statline improvement, giving him +1 wound. If you think that's fair, then Moloc loses to Logan either way.

mathhammer is crap. Just roll some dice. 1.8 wounds means crap. One can not loose 1.8 wounds its either 1 or 2

 namiel wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
I know its not the thrust of the argument... but here's Logan's Mathhammer

If he charges, he does 1.8 wounds on the charge, and Moloc gets his .851. Round 2 its 1.3 more for Logan... so end of two rounds its Moloc having taken 3.1 and Logan 1.7. End of third phase, dead Moloc and Logan's taken 2.553.

I might add, that I'm comfortable in saying Logan should have 4 wounds instead of 3, which makes this even more one sided if Logan charges.

Give Moloc the charge makes it close, Logan takes 2.836, but he'll take it before Moloc drops, so even odds that he's not around to hit back and kill Moloc.

Logan charges, he wins. Moloc charges, its a tossup. But again, I see no reason that Logan shouldn't have the CM statline improvement, giving him +1 wound. If you think that's fair, then Moloc loses to Logan either way.

mathhammer is crap. Just roll some dice. 1.8 wounds means crap. One can not loose 1.8 wounds its either 1 or 2

LMAO


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soo Name buddy whos in the first brackets?

Wow, first time I've seen anyone disregard Mathhammer.

Remember, Mathhammer does average results, so you can expect what happens when you roll the dice.

Still can't believe how people disregard MathHammer as "crap".

Lucarikx

Also, whats the point of doing brackets, Bigboss, if you don't count TT?

Calgar would win but he would almost die because that's how most of his battles go.

 Lucarikx wrote:
Wow, first time I've seen anyone disregard Mathhammer.

Remember, Mathhammer does average results, so you can expect what happens when you roll the dice.

Still can't believe how people disregard MathHammer as "crap".

Lucarikx

Also, whats the point of doing brackets, Bigboss, if you don't count TT?

People disregard it, because people who use it are the ones who in general RUIN games. Look at how MMO's used to be fun before the age of min-maxing.

 Lucarikx wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:
Y'know, on the TT the Death Mask doesn't care if you have Fearless or not.

Also, weapon skill doesn't depend on maneuverability as much as does on the martial prowess of the character - meaning a nimble eldar civilian won't have a higher weapon skill than say a Dreadnought.

Unless you have it in front of you, a SS doesn't do a thing if you have a melta aimed at your face.

The Spear relies on jabbing actions to be dangerous. You can swing an Axe around and land hits something in swifter motions.

Pff... If you get hit repeatedly in soft mesh and get your leg amputated you won't be fighting much longer.

Do we have any fluff evidence of Moloc killing ANYONE important in single combat? He knows how to insult people, and thats really about it......

Lucarikx

yes on the TT is guess what irrelevant and yet again you have given NO proof whatsoever that says terminator armor prevents you from thrusting a spear which i think is the most desperate defense you guys have with NOTHING to back it up, and no sorry your are wrong bub the WS is his effectiveness in close combat its not the prowess of anything and effectiveness relies on what your ability to use your weapon which goes hand in hand with what??? maneuverability wow! soo i repeat since you have no logical proof to substantiate any of your desperate claims to victory aside from well......nothing and im not going to sift through my badab books but no most people he fights run in fear even a necron lord.

Dude, read my post again. I said maneuverability was a part of it, but the skill is whats most important. Also, I never said TDA prevents you from using a spear..... I just said theres only 1 real way a using a spear in combat.

Go read about your weapons a bit more, there's a good reason why spears are less efficient than axes.

Go read Moloc's Lexicanum article, he got his a$$ kicked my Maktlan Kutlakh, the Necron Lord of the Maynark Dynasty, who promptly vented Moloc into space after nearly killing him.

If he killed some nameless Necron Lord, good for him. If you aren't familiar with the Necron hierarchy, Necron lords are like advisers to the Overlords, who command the Dynasties.

Lucarikx

instead of reading lexicanum read Imperial armour volume 12 in which his termies die his contempter buddy dies and muktlan gets speared and on his retreat vents moloc, moloc does not get a scratch from muktlan

 Lucarikx wrote:
Wow, first time I've seen anyone disregard Mathhammer.

Remember, Mathhammer does average results, so you can expect what happens when you roll the dice.

Still can't believe how people disregard MathHammer as "crap".

Lucarikx

Also, whats the point of doing brackets, Bigboss, if you don't count TT?

Sorry i took a break, i see the troll is still well fed. As for brackets, if we are calling it on fluff again, no point. Plus, 3 wouldnt be an accurate number. If i flip a coin 3 times and get all heads that means little. Now i flip a coin 1,000 times and get all heads i more than likely have a double-headed coin.


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 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:
Y'know, on the TT the Death Mask doesn't care if you have Fearless or not.

Also, weapon skill doesn't depend on maneuverability as much as does on the martial prowess of the character - meaning a nimble eldar civilian won't have a higher weapon skill than say a Dreadnought.

Unless you have it in front of you, a SS doesn't do a thing if you have a melta aimed at your face.

The Spear relies on jabbing actions to be dangerous. You can swing an Axe around and land hits something in swifter motions.

Pff... If you get hit repeatedly in soft mesh and get your leg amputated you won't be fighting much longer.

Do we have any fluff evidence of Moloc killing ANYONE important in single combat? He knows how to insult people, and thats really about it......

Lucarikx

yes on the TT is guess what irrelevant and yet again you have given NO proof whatsoever that says terminator armor prevents you from thrusting a spear which i think is the most desperate defense you guys have with NOTHING to back it up, and no sorry your are wrong bub the WS is his effectiveness in close combat its not the prowess of anything and effectiveness relies on what your ability to use your weapon which goes hand in hand with what??? maneuverability wow! soo i repeat since you have no logical proof to substantiate any of your desperate claims to victory aside from well......nothing and im not going to sift through my badab books but no most people he fights run in fear even a necron lord.

Dude, read my post again. I said maneuverability was a part of it, but the skill is whats most important. Also, I never said TDA prevents you from using a spear..... I just said theres only 1 real way a using a spear in combat.

Go read about your weapons a bit more, there's a good reason why spears are less efficient than axes.

Go read Moloc's Lexicanum article, he got his a$$ kicked my Maktlan Kutlakh, the Necron Lord of the Maynark Dynasty, who promptly vented Moloc into space after nearly killing him.

If he killed some nameless Necron Lord, good for him. If you aren't familiar with the Necron hierarchy, Necron lords are like advisers to the Overlords, who command the Dynasties.

Lucarikx

instead of reading lexicanum read Imperial armour volume 12 in which his termies die his contempter buddy dies and muktlan gets speared and on his retreat vents moloc, moloc does not get a scratch from muktlan

So moloc not only DIDNT kill his enemy but let him get away AND was fool enough to get vented while fully functional? hows this guy still a CM?

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:
Wow, first time I've seen anyone disregard Mathhammer.

Remember, Mathhammer does average results, so you can expect what happens when you roll the dice.

Still can't believe how people disregard MathHammer as "crap".

Lucarikx

Also, whats the point of doing brackets, Bigboss, if you don't count TT?

Sorry i took a break, i see the troll is still well fed. As for brackets, if we are calling it on fluff again, no point. Plus, 3 wouldnt be an accurate number. If i flip a coin 3 times and get all heads that means little. Now i flip a coin 1,000 times and get all heads i more than likely have a double-headed coin.


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 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:
Y'know, on the TT the Death Mask doesn't care if you have Fearless or not.

Also, weapon skill doesn't depend on maneuverability as much as does on the martial prowess of the character - meaning a nimble eldar civilian won't have a higher weapon skill than say a Dreadnought.

Unless you have it in front of you, a SS doesn't do a thing if you have a melta aimed at your face.

The Spear relies on jabbing actions to be dangerous. You can swing an Axe around and land hits something in swifter motions.

Pff... If you get hit repeatedly in soft mesh and get your leg amputated you won't be fighting much longer.

Do we have any fluff evidence of Moloc killing ANYONE important in single combat? He knows how to insult people, and thats really about it......

Lucarikx

yes on the TT is guess what irrelevant and yet again you have given NO proof whatsoever that says terminator armor prevents you from thrusting a spear which i think is the most desperate defense you guys have with NOTHING to back it up, and no sorry your are wrong bub the WS is his effectiveness in close combat its not the prowess of anything and effectiveness relies on what your ability to use your weapon which goes hand in hand with what??? maneuverability wow! soo i repeat since you have no logical proof to substantiate any of your desperate claims to victory aside from well......nothing and im not going to sift through my badab books but no most people he fights run in fear even a necron lord.

Dude, read my post again. I said maneuverability was a part of it, but the skill is whats most important. Also, I never said TDA prevents you from using a spear..... I just said theres only 1 real way a using a spear in combat.

Go read about your weapons a bit more, there's a good reason why spears are less efficient than axes.

Go read Moloc's Lexicanum article, he got his a$$ kicked my Maktlan Kutlakh, the Necron Lord of the Maynark Dynasty, who promptly vented Moloc into space after nearly killing him.

If he killed some nameless Necron Lord, good for him. If you aren't familiar with the Necron hierarchy, Necron lords are like advisers to the Overlords, who command the Dynasties.

Lucarikx

instead of reading lexicanum read Imperial armour volume 12 in which his termies die his contempter buddy dies and muktlan gets speared and on his retreat vents moloc, moloc does not get a scratch from muktlan

So moloc not only DIDNT kill his enemy but let him get away AND was fool enough to get vented while fully functional? hows this guy still a CM?

really cus last I checked Skarbrands still alive soo what does that say about Dante?

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:
Wow, first time I've seen anyone disregard Mathhammer.

Remember, Mathhammer does average results, so you can expect what happens when you roll the dice.

Still can't believe how people disregard MathHammer as "crap".

Lucarikx

Also, whats the point of doing brackets, Bigboss, if you don't count TT?

Sorry i took a break, i see the troll is still well fed. As for brackets, if we are calling it on fluff again, no point. Plus, 3 wouldnt be an accurate number. If i flip a coin 3 times and get all heads that means little. Now i flip a coin 1,000 times and get all heads i more than likely have a double-headed coin.


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 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:
Y'know, on the TT the Death Mask doesn't care if you have Fearless or not.

Also, weapon skill doesn't depend on maneuverability as much as does on the martial prowess of the character - meaning a nimble eldar civilian won't have a higher weapon skill than say a Dreadnought.

Unless you have it in front of you, a SS doesn't do a thing if you have a melta aimed at your face.

The Spear relies on jabbing actions to be dangerous. You can swing an Axe around and land hits something in swifter motions.

Pff... If you get hit repeatedly in soft mesh and get your leg amputated you won't be fighting much longer.

Do we have any fluff evidence of Moloc killing ANYONE important in single combat? He knows how to insult people, and thats really about it......

Lucarikx

yes on the TT is guess what irrelevant and yet again you have given NO proof whatsoever that says terminator armor prevents you from thrusting a spear which i think is the most desperate defense you guys have with NOTHING to back it up, and no sorry your are wrong bub the WS is his effectiveness in close combat its not the prowess of anything and effectiveness relies on what your ability to use your weapon which goes hand in hand with what??? maneuverability wow! soo i repeat since you have no logical proof to substantiate any of your desperate claims to victory aside from well......nothing and im not going to sift through my badab books but no most people he fights run in fear even a necron lord.

Dude, read my post again. I said maneuverability was a part of it, but the skill is whats most important. Also, I never said TDA prevents you from using a spear..... I just said theres only 1 real way a using a spear in combat.

Go read about your weapons a bit more, there's a good reason why spears are less efficient than axes.

Go read Moloc's Lexicanum article, he got his a$$ kicked my Maktlan Kutlakh, the Necron Lord of the Maynark Dynasty, who promptly vented Moloc into space after nearly killing him.

If he killed some nameless Necron Lord, good for him. If you aren't familiar with the Necron hierarchy, Necron lords are like advisers to the Overlords, who command the Dynasties.

Lucarikx

instead of reading lexicanum read Imperial armour volume 12 in which his termies die his contempter buddy dies and muktlan gets speared and on his retreat vents moloc, moloc does not get a scratch from muktlan

So moloc not only DIDNT kill his enemy but let him get away AND was fool enough to get vented while fully functional? hows this guy still a CM?

really cus last I checked Skarbrands still alive soo what does that say about Dante?

It means you cant destroy that daemon..? just like every other daemon..? Its an energy-based life form. You can banish it (like Dante did) but show me one instance in which a daemon was killed never to return. Necrons, however, die.

 bigboss1o1 wrote:


really cus last I checked Skarbrands still alive soo what does that say about Dante?

Oh man, get a load of this one! You don't understand a thing about Daemons, do you? You banish them, not kill them.

Also, Moloc didn't waste the Necron Lord on his own - The Lord had gone through the entire retinue of 30 Terminators AND 2 Contemptors! Last I checked Space Marine Captains/Chapter Masters are exiled or shamed for losing such precious warriors.

Lucarikx

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:
Wow, first time I've seen anyone disregard Mathhammer.

Remember, Mathhammer does average results, so you can expect what happens when you roll the dice.

Still can't believe how people disregard MathHammer as "crap".

Lucarikx

Also, whats the point of doing brackets, Bigboss, if you don't count TT?

Sorry i took a break, i see the troll is still well fed. As for brackets, if we are calling it on fluff again, no point. Plus, 3 wouldnt be an accurate number. If i flip a coin 3 times and get all heads that means little. Now i flip a coin 1,000 times and get all heads i more than likely have a double-headed coin.


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 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:
Y'know, on the TT the Death Mask doesn't care if you have Fearless or not.

Also, weapon skill doesn't depend on maneuverability as much as does on the martial prowess of the character - meaning a nimble eldar civilian won't have a higher weapon skill than say a Dreadnought.

Unless you have it in front of you, a SS doesn't do a thing if you have a melta aimed at your face.

The Spear relies on jabbing actions to be dangerous. You can swing an Axe around and land hits something in swifter motions.

Pff... If you get hit repeatedly in soft mesh and get your leg amputated you won't be fighting much longer.

Do we have any fluff evidence of Moloc killing ANYONE important in single combat? He knows how to insult people, and thats really about it......

Lucarikx

yes on the TT is guess what irrelevant and yet again you have given NO proof whatsoever that says terminator armor prevents you from thrusting a spear which i think is the most desperate defense you guys have with NOTHING to back it up, and no sorry your are wrong bub the WS is his effectiveness in close combat its not the prowess of anything and effectiveness relies on what your ability to use your weapon which goes hand in hand with what??? maneuverability wow! soo i repeat since you have no logical proof to substantiate any of your desperate claims to victory aside from well......nothing and im not going to sift through my badab books but no most people he fights run in fear even a necron lord.

Dude, read my post again. I said maneuverability was a part of it, but the skill is whats most important. Also, I never said TDA prevents you from using a spear..... I just said theres only 1 real way a using a spear in combat.

Go read about your weapons a bit more, there's a good reason why spears are less efficient than axes.

Go read Moloc's Lexicanum article, he got his a$$ kicked my Maktlan Kutlakh, the Necron Lord of the Maynark Dynasty, who promptly vented Moloc into space after nearly killing him.

If he killed some nameless Necron Lord, good for him. If you aren't familiar with the Necron hierarchy, Necron lords are like advisers to the Overlords, who command the Dynasties.

Lucarikx

instead of reading lexicanum read Imperial armour volume 12 in which his termies die his contempter buddy dies and muktlan gets speared and on his retreat vents moloc, moloc does not get a scratch from muktlan

So moloc not only DIDNT kill his enemy but let him get away AND was fool enough to get vented while fully functional? hows this guy still a CM?

cus I already won the fluff common sense battle forever ago against dante, although im sure logan or calgar would probably finish off Moloc I think it would be fun to have a bracket tournament why not I mean your not going to stop flaunting your golden dookie.

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Actually you determined you won that makes it about as official as me declaring myself king of England... TT wise we have proven that if you run the sim 1,000 times Dante will be the clear winner... Facts are proven with numbers. The bigger the number the more realistic it is. Do i have to lecture you about the coin again?

Common sense battle? It was repeatedly shown that Dante has a more reasonable chance than Moloc, right?

Lucarikx

http://betterbracketmaker.com/#!/fe184094dd325

there it is.

 Lucarikx wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:


really cus last I checked Skarbrands still alive soo what does that say about Dante?

Oh man, get a load of this one! You don't understand a thing about Daemons, do you? You banish them, not kill them.

Lucarikx

your right but still the whole necron getting away thing is irrelevent he did a suicidal boarding action onto a necron ship with a small crew and won the battle ok soo what he got vented, yeah necron lords can be killed but tell me name a character that has killed a named necron lord???

 Lucarikx wrote:
Common sense battle? It was repeatedly shown that Dante has a more reasonable chance than Moloc, right?

Lucarikx

Yeah, like i said. He just likes protecting his Snowflake, lest it melt

Time to start rolling it off.....mathhammer doesnt work.

 namiel wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
I know its not the thrust of the argument... but here's Logan's Mathhammer

If he charges, he does 1.8 wounds on the charge, and Moloc gets his .851. Round 2 its 1.3 more for Logan... so end of two rounds its Moloc having taken 3.1 and Logan 1.7. End of third phase, dead Moloc and Logan's taken 2.553.

I might add, that I'm comfortable in saying Logan should have 4 wounds instead of 3, which makes this even more one sided if Logan charges.

Give Moloc the charge makes it close, Logan takes 2.836, but he'll take it before Moloc drops, so even odds that he's not around to hit back and kill Moloc.

Logan charges, he wins. Moloc charges, its a tossup. But again, I see no reason that Logan shouldn't have the CM statline improvement, giving him +1 wound. If you think that's fair, then Moloc loses to Logan either way.

mathhammer is crap. Just roll some dice. 1.8 wounds means crap. One can not loose 1.8 wounds its either 1 or 2

Um, wow. It this training wheels day. 1.5 wounds would mean in two battles one would expect the unit to take one wound as many times as it would take 2. So in ten battles, five would give 1 wound, five would give 2. 1.8 means quite a bit, thank you much. It means that in ten matches, 8 times a unit would take 2, only twice would it take 1. However, mathhammer newbs always want to round at the end of a turn. You can't do that. That 1.8 needs to stay as such to show the effects of those times it was 1 wound instead of two

I've never understood the complaints of using MH to explain a match up. All it does is show who would do what a majority if the time. It's a game with dice. I've had a marine sergeant kill Shrike in a challenge before. If what I took away from that was that a sarg with a PF was a sure thing in a challenge against Shrike, I'd be kinda dumb. Mathhammer educates. How rare was that outcome? If I'm running Shrike, how worried should be. Why would you not want to understand how the game works under the hood?

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:

 bigboss1o1 wrote:


really cus last I checked Skarbrands still alive soo what does that say about Dante?

Oh man, get a load of this one! You don't understand a thing about Daemons, do you? You banish them, not kill them.

Lucarikx

your right but still the whole necron getting away thing is irrelevent he did a suicidal boarding action onto a necron ship with a small crew and won the battle ok soo what he got vented, yeah necron lords can be killed but tell me name a character that has killed a named necron lord???

How is it irrelevant? he didnt win if the target escaped did he? as for the suicidal mission, Dante is currently defending his home world from a daemon incursion and a hive fleet... I think he takes the cake of "suicidal"


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 Lobukia wrote:

 namiel wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
I know its not the thrust of the argument... but here's Logan's Mathhammer

If he charges, he does 1.8 wounds on the charge, and Moloc gets his .851. Round 2 its 1.3 more for Logan... so end of two rounds its Moloc having taken 3.1 and Logan 1.7. End of third phase, dead Moloc and Logan's taken 2.553.

I might add, that I'm comfortable in saying Logan should have 4 wounds instead of 3, which makes this even more one sided if Logan charges.

Give Moloc the charge makes it close, Logan takes 2.836, but he'll take it before Moloc drops, so even odds that he's not around to hit back and kill Moloc.

Logan charges, he wins. Moloc charges, its a tossup. But again, I see no reason that Logan shouldn't have the CM statline improvement, giving him +1 wound. If you think that's fair, then Moloc loses to Logan either way.

mathhammer is crap. Just roll some dice. 1.8 wounds means crap. One can not loose 1.8 wounds its either 1 or 2

Um, wow. It this training wheels day. 1.5 wounds would mean in two battles one would expect the unit to take one wound as many times as it would take 2. So in ten battles, five would give 1 wound, five would give 2. 1.8 means quite a bit, thank you much. It means that in ten matches, 8 times a unit would take 2, only twice would it take 1. However, mathhammer newbs always want to round at the end of a turn. You can't do that. That 1.8 needs to stay as such to show the effects of those times it was 1 wound instead of two

I've never understood the complaints of using MH to explain a match up. All it does is show who would do what a majority if the time. It's a game with dice. I've had a marine sergeant kill Shrike in a challenge before. If what I took away from that was that a sarg with a PF was a sure thing in a challenge against Shrike, I'd be kinda dumb. Mathhammer educates. How rare was that outcome? If I'm running Shrike, how worried should be. Why would you not want to understand how the game works under the hood?

But remember, without internet trolls you wouldnt be so good at math!

 Lucarikx wrote:
Common sense battle? It was repeatedly shown that Dante has a more reasonable chance than Moloc, right?

Lucarikx

where was it repeatedly shown YOUR ONLY DEFENSE IS THAT MOLOC CANT SPEAR PEOPLE thats litteraly the only point you made against him which has been invalidated Moloc is better epuiped just as fast and more durable what is it that dante has the probability to quote on quote dance away your kidding me

Interesting brackets.... Heres my predictions:

Bracket 1: Marneus destroys Pedro.

Bracket 2: Vlad should beat Azrael, cause, y'know, 2 Thunder Hammers.

Bracket 3: Tough one, they both have a lot of respect for each other.

Bracket 4: Draigo, because of plot armor. Sorry.

Lucarikx

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:
Common sense battle? It was repeatedly shown that Dante has a more reasonable chance than Moloc, right?

Lucarikx

where was it repeatedly shown YOUR ONLY DEFENSE IS THAT MOLOC CANT SPEAR PEOPLE thats litteraly the only point you made against him which has been invalidated Moloc is better epuiped just as fast and more durable what is it that dante has the probability to quote on quote dance away your kidding me

Wow, go look at a doctor you seem to have a bit of amnesia mate. We made (between us) 16 points as to how Dante has an advantage. You made 6 (all of which were blown out of proportion) that we gave numerous downsides to.


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 Lucarikx wrote:
Interesting brackets.... Heres my predictions:

Bracket 1: Marneus destroys Pedro.

Bracket 2: Vlad should beat Azrael, cause, y'know, 2 Thunder Hammers.

Bracket 3: Tough one, they both have a lot of respect for each other.

Bracket 4: Draigo, because of plot armor. Sorry.

Lucarikx

I second your guess

 bigboss1o1 wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:
Common sense battle? It was repeatedly shown that Dante has a more reasonable chance than Moloc, right?

Lucarikx

where was it repeatedly shown YOUR ONLY DEFENSE IS THAT MOLOC CANT SPEAR PEOPLE thats litteraly the only point you made against him which has been invalidated Moloc is better epuiped just as fast and more durable what is it that dante has the probability to quote on quote dance away your kidding me

Please go read my posts again, I actually made 5 distinct points on how Dante has a better chance than Moloc. Also, it would be easier to read your posts if you used correct punctuation.

Lucarikx

 Lobukia wrote:

 namiel wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
I know its not the thrust of the argument... but here's Logan's Mathhammer

If he charges, he does 1.8 wounds on the charge, and Moloc gets his .851. Round 2 its 1.3 more for Logan... so end of two rounds its Moloc having taken 3.1 and Logan 1.7. End of third phase, dead Moloc and Logan's taken 2.553.

I might add, that I'm comfortable in saying Logan should have 4 wounds instead of 3, which makes this even more one sided if Logan charges.

Give Moloc the charge makes it close, Logan takes 2.836, but he'll take it before Moloc drops, so even odds that he's not around to hit back and kill Moloc.

Logan charges, he wins. Moloc charges, its a tossup. But again, I see no reason that Logan shouldn't have the CM statline improvement, giving him +1 wound. If you think that's fair, then Moloc loses to Logan either way.

mathhammer is crap. Just roll some dice. 1.8 wounds means crap. One can not loose 1.8 wounds its either 1 or 2

Um, wow. It this training wheels day. 1.5 wounds would mean in two battles one would expect the unit to take one wound as many times as it would take 2. So in ten battles, five would give 1 wound, five would give 2. 1.8 means quite a bit, thank you much. It means that in ten matches, 8 times a unit would take 2, only twice would it take 1. However, mathhammer newbs always want to round at the end of a turn. You can't do that. That 1.8 needs to stay as such to show the effects of those times it was 1 wound instead of two

I've never understood the complaints of using MH to explain a match up. All it does is show who would do what a majority if the time. It's a game with dice. I've had a marine sergeant kill Shrike in a challenge before. If what I took away from that was that a sarg with a PF was a sure thing in a challenge against Shrike, I'd be kinda dumb. Mathhammer educates. How rare was that outcome? If I'm running Shrike, how worried should be. Why would you not want to understand how the game works under the hood?

In mathhammer it is IMPOSSIABLE for shrike to loose against a unit sarg. WHY????? because he will always do at least one wound. REALITY.......thats not true. So basing anything off of mathhammer is crap because it is not reality.