Khorne Daemonkin (Pre-order 21/03/2015) - A wild 40k Bloodthirster variants appeared!

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**Azreal13**

ImAGeek wrote:
That cover is incredible. I do feel like I'd rather spend £30 on a nice framed copy of that than the codex though haha.

I sure GW would much rather sell you that for £30 too.

**ClassicCarraway**

For those thinking that the Strength D axe bearing BT can just be given an Axe of Khorne and strike at initiative, think again. The rules for Colossal state, "A model with this weapon Piles In and fights at Initiative step 1."

Just having the weapon makes you strike at I1, so no way get around it. It makes sense, as allowing the work-around makes it too good. Still, color me slightly disappointed...

**Lord Yayula**

ClassicCarraway wrote:
For those thinking that the Strength D axe bearing BT can just be given an Axe of Khorne and strike at initiative, think again. The rules for Colossal state, "A model with this weapon Piles In and fights at Initiative step 1."

Just having the weapon makes you strike at I1, so no way get around it. It makes sense, as allowing the work-around makes it too good. Still, color me slightly disappointed...

This is the same for many weapons out there and still goes on with the discussion the lastest are some weapons on the Harlequin codex, the general consensus however is that is you attack with that weapon you get those rules if you don't then no penalty/buff is applied. Would be the same as having the khorne axe that gives you rampage, but attacking with the KB one, so that you get more attacks with KB.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/633677.page

**JuniorRS13**

cover looks modeled after tattersoul. Seeing as he has what looks to be a combo-melta on his back and the axe looking the same. looks awesome though. still wish that there was new models...

**ClassicCarraway**

Lord Yayula wrote:
ClassicCarraway wrote:
For those thinking that the Strength D axe bearing BT can just be given an Axe of Khorne and strike at initiative, think again. The rules for Colossal state, "A model with this weapon Piles In and fights at Initiative step 1."

Just having the weapon makes you strike at I1, so no way get around it. It makes sense, as allowing the work-around makes it too good. Still, color me slightly disappointed...

This is the same for many weapons out there and still goes on with the discussion the lastest are some weapons on the Harlequin codex, the general consensus however is that is you attack with that weapon you get those rules if you don't then no penalty/buff is applied. Would be the same as having the khorne axe that gives you rampage, but attacking with the KB one, so that you get more attacks with KB.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/633677.page

I'm not sure I follow the confusion. There is a difference between special rules that specify attacks/wounds with a weapon versus rules that involve just having the weapon. For example, the Blade of Blood has the Bloodlust special rule, which clearly states "The bearer of the Blade of Blood has the Rampage special rule", so just having it gives Rampage, no need to actually use it. Whereas the Axe of Khorne special rule Decapitating Blow specifically references To Wound rolls made with that weapon. In that scenario, you can have both weapons, actually use the Axe, and gain the Special Rule effects of both. Same with the axe with the Colossal rule, you can use the Axe of Khorne but you still are effected by the Colossal rule from the other weapon, since the special rule is dependent solely on merely having the weapon, not using it.

**Azreal13**

Pre orders up..

Roaring, blood-soaked butchers with an endless thirst for murder, the warriors of Khorne’s Daemonkin carve a red swathe across the galaxy. These are the Blood God’s faithful: zealots who worship Khorne’s Bloodthirsters as divine beings and who will pay any price to see them and their Daemon legions unleashed upon realspace.

This 120-page hardback Codex details the forces of the Khorne Daemonkin –warbands of Khornate Chaos Space Marines who summon Daemons of Khorne to fight with them in the mortal universe. This book includes:

- Blood for the Blood God - detailing the background of Khorne’s infernal legions and their fighting structure, the history of 6 specific Daemonkin warbands, their colour schemes and iconography. A timeline of key events since the end of the Horus Heresy and background of all of the unit types that form the Daemonkin.
- Warriors of Khorne - a showcase of beautifully painted Khorne miniatures.
- Forces of the Daemonkin – detachment rules that enable you to create a battle-forged army, datasheets for all the characters and unit types in the Codex, including the Lord of Skulls and five formation datasheets for fielding specific combinations of miniatures.
- Also included are army special rules, new warlord traits, the Bloodtithe table, 6 tactical objectives and wargear specifically for Khorne Daemonkin.

**Nocturnus**

MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I'll believe Resin when I see it.

Hmmm... I see the resin Herald Of Khorne. I guess seeing is believing....

**Wayniac**

Sigh. Part of me really wants to buy this. The more sane part of me looks at the prices and bad rules and smacks the other part of me. $230 for a box with a good number of things is cool, but then I figure out how much I'll need to make it good/playable, and says I should just focus on Warmachine like I have the past two years.

**Lord Yayula**

Lord of Skulls rules are up

https://itunes.apple.com/book/codex-khorne-daemonkin-enhanced/id978030010?ls=1&mt=1110lqaZ

and by the looks on the chaos bikers, looks like they stayed the same point cost but added forecufully the MoK (duh), so probably every single unit from the CSM will have the same treatment. Also the champion may have an axe of khorne for 30 pts? is it the same as the codex daemons? if so... damn, 30 pts for an AP2 KB weapon on a mere champion?

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Looks like it is completely the same, with only the addition of the rules Daemon of Khorne and Blood for the Blood God!, which is kinda of what was expected

**Ratius**

Am I reading these guys stats right? They are armor save 3+?
Hmmm, guess they fell into the Nid MCs bucket when Gw wrote that rule.
How can a riptide or terminator have a better save then them? #confused

**455_PWR**

Wow,

The limited edition book looks freaking awesome! A monotone cover of the original book, a cover with a bloodcrusher, and a kharn the betrayer cover?

I have really backed away from limited edition codex books as of recent months, but count me in on this one!

**ClockworkZion**

Ratius wrote:
Am I reading these guys stats right? They are armor save 3+?
Hmmm, guess they fell into the Nid MCs bucket when Gw wrote that rule.
How can a riptide or terminator have a better save then them? #confused

Because the only armor Daemons get (which is a Daemonic Gift) is a 3+?

**ImAGeek**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Ratius wrote:
Am I reading these guys stats right? They are armor save 3+?
Hmmm, guess they fell into the Nid MCs bucket when Gw wrote that rule.
How can a riptide or terminator have a better save then them? #confused

Because the only armor Daemons get (which is a Daemonic Gift) is a 3+?

Apart from the 6+ on Bloodletters.

**ClockworkZion**

ImAGeek wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
Ratius wrote:
Am I reading these guys stats right? They are armor save 3+?
Hmmm, guess they fell into the Nid MCs bucket when Gw wrote that rule.
How can a riptide or terminator have a better save then them? #confused

Because the only armor Daemons get (which is a Daemonic Gift) is a 3+?

Apart from the 6+ on Bloodletters.

Forgot about that, but the point remains, they have the best armor save Daemons can get.

**Ratius**

Yeah forgot about that, my bad.

**Slayer le boucher**

Lord Yayula wrote:
Lord of Skulls rules are up

https://itunes.apple.com/book/codex-khorne-daemonkin-enhanced/id978030010?ls=1&mt=1110lqaZ

and by the looks on the chaos bikers, looks like they stayed the same point cost but added forecufully the MoK (duh), so probably every single unit from the CSM will have the same treatment. Also the champion may have an axe of khorne for 30 pts? is it the same as the codex daemons? if so... damn, 30 pts for an AP2 KB weapon on a mere champion?

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Looks like it is completely the same, with only the addition of the rules Daemon of Khorne and Blood for the Blood God!, which is kinda of what was expected

Wait so they cost the same points has before, but the MoK is free?, or is it allready counted in their points?

Also the Asp Champ has the Axe of Khorne from the Deamon codex?, thats awesome!!

Allready pre ordered mine SKulltaker edition book, never bought a LE book or anything really from GW, but this one i can't possibly pass.

**tydrace**

Slayer le boucher wrote:

Wait so they cost the same points has before, but the MoK is free?, or is it allready counted in their points?.

Already counted in the points as they're two points more expensive than in Codex CSM.

**Lord Yayula**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
Lord Yayula wrote:
Lord of Skulls rules are up

https://itunes.apple.com/book/codex-khorne-daemonkin-enhanced/id978030010?ls=1&mt=1110lqaZ

and by the looks on the chaos bikers, looks like they stayed the same point cost but added forecufully the MoK (duh), so probably every single unit from the CSM will have the same treatment. Also the champion may have an axe of khorne for 30 pts? is it the same as the codex daemons? if so... damn, 30 pts for an AP2 KB weapon on a mere champion?

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Looks like it is completely the same, with only the addition of the rules Daemon of Khorne and Blood for the Blood God!, which is kinda of what was expected

Wait so they cost the same points has before, but the MoK is free?, or is it allready counted in their points?

Also the Asp Champ has the Axe of Khorne from the Deamon codex?, thats awesome!!

Allready pre ordered mine SKulltaker edition book, never bought a LE book or anything really from GW, but this one i can't possibly pass.

Already in the cost, is exactly the same cost as a CSM biker with MoK in the codex CSM. Buuuuut, they get Blood for the Blood God! rule probably which is the army theme so that they get the benefits from the blood tithe

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And the champ access to the Axe of Khorne which is expensive for 30 pts, if it wasn't a Specialist Weapon I'd be all over it thou, sadly for 40 pts you'll get only 2 hits, AP2 and with instant death on 6's thou so that is nice, but makes the model really expensive

**Slayer le boucher**

Lord Yayula wrote:
Slayer le boucher wrote:
Lord Yayula wrote:
Lord of Skulls rules are up

https://itunes.apple.com/book/codex-khorne-daemonkin-enhanced/id978030010?ls=1&mt=1110lqaZ

and by the looks on the chaos bikers, looks like they stayed the same point cost but added forecufully the MoK (duh), so probably every single unit from the CSM will have the same treatment. Also the champion may have an axe of khorne for 30 pts? is it the same as the codex daemons? if so... damn, 30 pts for an AP2 KB weapon on a mere champion?

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Looks like it is completely the same, with only the addition of the rules Daemon of Khorne and Blood for the Blood God!, which is kinda of what was expected

Wait so they cost the same points has before, but the MoK is free?, or is it allready counted in their points?

Also the Asp Champ has the Axe of Khorne from the Deamon codex?, thats awesome!!

Allready pre ordered mine SKulltaker edition book, never bought a LE book or anything really from GW, but this one i can't possibly pass.

Already in the cost, is exactly the same cost as a CSM biker with MoK in the codex CSM. Buuuuut, they get Blood for the Blood God! rule probably which is the army theme so that they get the benefits from the blood tithe

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And the champ access to the Axe of Khorne which is expensive for 30 pts, if it wasn't a Specialist Weapon I'd be all over it thou, sadly for 40 pts you'll get only 2 hits, AP2 and with instant death on 6's thou so that is nice, but makes the model really expensive

Don't forget that an Asp champ with rage its 4 Ap 2 Init 4 Killing Blow Attacks, with Str5 if you get the icon of course.

But i find it really interessting that you can take something that was from the Deamon codex wargear to give it to a Marines.

I mean the Axe on a Bloodletter is nice, but the Bloodletter only has 1-2 Attacks, while in the hands of a CSM the weapon becomes more potent, give the Champ another Specialist weapon for an extra attack like a Lclaw.

Its also a decent way to give a nice weapon to a secondary HQ if you allready have given the Axe of Fury to someone else( i do hope that the Axe is also in this codex or at least something has powerfull)

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Someone on the French boards pointed out that on the units/kits list on the GW site in the Khorne deamonkin section you don't find Kharn in it.

While you see the Lord, termi Lord, Skulltaker, Herald, DPrinces and JUmp Lord, but no kharn.

Don't tell me that he isn't included in the codex, that would be stupid has hell..., specialy if his portrait is on the darn LE book cover...

**Lord Yayula**

Well there probably won't be an axe of fury, because the relics should be different form the CSM, and sure giving LC and the Axe of Khorne would solve this but that would be 45 pts on a champion.

And, yeah forgot about the Icon, even thou doesn't seem like it is an option anymore at least not on the screenshot from BL, there is a blank with 15 pts which is probably the power weapon, so who knows maybe the icon is still in there

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Lastest rumors it seems

The main rule of the codex is "Blood for the blood good":

You get "blood points for every unit you destroy and for every unit you are destroyed. Carachters slained in challenges generate blood points as well.

At the beginning of your turn you can spend those blood points (effects lasts till the beginning of your next turn)

1 Adamantium will

2 Rage + Furious Charge

3 Feel no pain

4 +1A

5 Summon 8 bloodletters of 5 Flesh hounds

6 Summon 3 Bloodcrushers or one Skull cannon

7 One carácter becomes a Demon Prince (LD test, if failed becomes a Spawn instead)

8 One character becomes a Bloodthirster (Same as above)

Once you spend a blood points you loose them all. For example if you have 5 and spend 4 for Feel No Pain, the left point is lost.

Artefacts are:

One Axe that you have to count the wounds infflicted with it:
1-2 +1S
3-4 Rampage
5-7 Sx2
8+ Instant Death
Effects are acumulative

One armour that gives you 3+, Feel no Pain and Eternal warrior

One Rune that gives bearer adamantium will, and you can explode it. If so, till your next turn, in a 24" bubble, all pyshic test get perils with any doublé

One Sword that gives you a blood point for every wound

One helmet that gives you fear and any 6 to hit generates an additional attack

One Axe that when bearer dies becomes a Bloodthirster but and the end your turn loses D3 wounds (Only inv saves allowed)
*Axes are AP2 and Unwieldy +1S, the Sword is AP3

There is Detachment similar to the Decurion: The Blood host

Mandatory: Slaughter cult (1 HQ, 2-8 Bezerkers, Bloodletters or Chaos Space Marines in any combination), 1-4 Possessed, 0-2 Spawn units, 0-2 Cultivists

Benefits: Reroll Warlord trait and generates 1 Blood point every turn. When spending blood points you can for free get another bonus with less value than the first one.

**Lou_Cypher**

Get 8 Blood points, grab both Bloodthirster and Daemon Prince Rewards. Sweet.... Shame about the need for Possessed though.

**Lord Yayula**

Lou_Cypher wrote:
Get 8 Blood points, grab both Bloodthirster and Daemon Prince Rewards. Sweet.... Shame about the need for Possessed though.

Meh, not sure about the DP reward, a wingless/gearless DP dies pretty easily gues it is nice for a cultist champion or a gearless tact marine champion

**nathan2004**

They wanna sell those models. And i really hope Kharn is in this book, I mean they just released (in paperback) a book for him from BL.

**Lord Yayula**

The remaining formations

Lord of Slaughter: 1 BT

Brazen Onslaught: 1-4 units of Termis, 2-4 units of Bloodcrushers (+1A in CaC if opponent has more models in that combat)

Khorne Bloodstorm: 2-4 units of Raptors, 1-4 units of Warp Talons, 0-1 Helldrake (+1S of HoW attacks)

Gorepack: 2-4 Chaos Bikers, 1-4 Fleshhounds (Fleshhouds get HoW, and Bikers reroll to wound their HoW attacks

Charnel Cohort: 1 HQ (not a BT), 2-8 Bloodletters, 1-4 Fleshhounds, 1-4 Bloodcrushers, 0-4 Skull Cannon (Fear tests with -2LD, if HQ is in reserves may reroll to enter the battle. Other units do not scatter if enter reserves at 6" of the HQ

**gigasnail**

Kind of not exactly inspiring.

**Lord Yayula**

nathan2004 wrote:
They wanna sell those models. And i really hope Kharn is in this book, I mean they just released (in paperback) a book for him from BL.

The GW page already has the listing of the units that are in the codex, at least if they have a model.

Kharn isn't on it, neither are the Oblies nor the Mutilators, no Warpsmiths or Chaos Chaplains.

I did note that the hellbrute is on the heavy support section, that is interesting, not really good options on the heavy:

Soulgrinders, Defilers, Helbrutes, Maulerfiends, Shootyfiends, Skull cannon and the Land Raider, no predators or vindis it seems.

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Nor havocs

**rollawaythestone**

The artifacts and Blood for the Blood God bonuses are quite good. Also being able to mix Daemon and CSM units will open up some strong possibilities. I think this will be a strong book on first glance. Very curious as more information gets released!

**JuniorRS13**

Kharn is my favorite character. Period. he has to be in it.

**drbored**

How could they make this codex without Kharn...?

Unless with the move away from Finecast, they're dropping support for named characters.

Or maybe he'll be part of a Dataslate when new Khorne Berzerkers drop that you can just tack on.

**Hollismason**

Well just off the top of my head

Benefits: Reroll Warlord trait and generates 1 Blood point every turn. When spending blood points you can for free get another bonus with less value than the first one.

This with the Sword is kind of nuts? Do they mean if you spend the points you get another one on that chart for free that's a lesser value like the kind of deal you get at grocery stores with meat sometimes. Buy one get one of a lesser value free.

Cause that's kind of nuts.