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Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby plans to seek a protective order that would block the release of Freddie Gray's autopsy report and other "sensitive" documents as she prosecutes the six police officers involved in his arrest.
Mosby told The Baltimore Sun that prosecutors "have a duty to ensure a fair and impartial process for all parties involved" and "will not be baited into litigating this case through the media."
But an attorney for one of the officers said the effort shows that "there is something in that autopsy report that they are trying to hide."
"Mrs. Mosby is the one who did an announcement discussing what she said the evidence was in a nationally televised speech," said Ivan Bates, who represents Sgt. Alicia White. "Now that it is time to turn over the evidence, to ask for a protective order is beyond disingenuous.
"It's as if she wants to do everything to make sure our clients do not get a fair trial."
Gray, 25, died in April after suffering a severe spinal cord injury in police custody. Mosby has charged the officers with violations ranging from misconduct in office to, in one case, second-degree murder.
Baltimore's chief prosecutor declared her intention to seek the protective order in a court filing Monday. She also asked for more time to respond to defense motions that she and her office be removed from the case and that the case be tried outside Baltimore.
The move is the latest effort by Mosby's office to restrict information in the high-profile case. Her office has also sought a gag order to prevent participants from discussing the case in public, and has broken with a long-standing practice by not giving a copy of the autopsy report to Baltimore police.
In a response to Mosby's latest filing, defense attorneys said Wednesday that they have been denied an outline of evidence and claims against the officers, and have not been allowed to inspect a knife that was taken from Gray during his arrest.
Bates said the protective order would allow only prosecutors and defense attorneys to see the documents, and could require the court to seal all new filings that make reference to information in the documents.
In that way, he said, it would be more restrictive than a gag order.
"Nobody would know anything but the state and the defense, so they would totally hide it from the public," Bates said. "If your case is as good as you said it was, why don't you just show the evidence? … You can't holler and say, 'I'm about accountability for the citizens,' and then run around filing for a protective order."
The Sun is one of 19 news organizations contesting Mosby's gag order request.
Gray's death on April 19, amid a national debate over police brutality, touched off days of protests. On the day of his funeral, the city erupted into several hours of riots, arson and looting.
Mosby filed charges against the officers on May 1 based on what she said was an independent investigation conducted by her office. A grand jury indicted White, Lt. Brian Rice and Officers Caesar Goodson, William Porter, Edward Nero and Garrett Miller three weeks later.
In her filing Monday, Mosby said prosecutors had "attempted to reach an agreement" with defense attorney Michael Belsky for more time to respond to the defense motions. Belsky is defending Rice and serving as the "designated contact attorney" for all of the officers.
Belsky agreed to give the state more time to respond to defense motions to dismiss the case, Mosby said, but only "in exchange for the State releasing certain discovery," including Gray's autopsy report, medical records and "all statements made by the defendants."
He did not agree to give the state more time to respond to the motion to remove the case from Baltimore, Mosby said.
Mosby said her office did not agree to "barter" over the documents.
"Because the State intends to seek a protective order to restrict the dissemination of such sensitive discovery in this matter," she wrote, "the State was not willing to so barter, and so no agreement could be reached."
The deadline for the state to respond to the defense motions is June 11. Mosby is asking for an extension until July 10.
"Defendants' Motions in total span over 150 pages, setting forth a multitude of legal arguments and factual allegations that the State intends to answer diligently," she wrote.
Last month, Deputy State's Attorney Michael Schatzow called a defense motion to dismiss the case or have Mosby recused from it "premature, frivolous, illogical, and unsupported by authority when it is not contradicted by authority."
Mosby said the officers would "suffer no prejudice" from an extension because arraignments aren't scheduled in the case until July 2.
The officers' attorneys, in their response, said prosecutors mischaracterized conversations between the sides and failed to provide a reason why an extension is needed. They said the arraignment date has "no impact" on the need for timely responses to their motions.
They noted Mosby's office took less than two weeks to conduct an investigation into the officers, and said they had "deep-seated concerns" about Mosby attending public events such as a Prince concert and a circus and doing interviews with outlets such as Vogue Magazine while the lives and careers of the officers "remain in jeopardy."
"It is the position of the Defendants that they have been unlawfully charged, that the charges are the by-product of a State's Attorney's Office with deep conflicts of interest, and that the charges are mired by prosecutorial misconduct, which is ongoing in nature," the defense attorneys wrote. "These issues are impairing the Defendants' rights of due process — rights which continue to be injured with each passing day."
The attorneys added that time "is not a luxury as the careers, livelihoods, and liberty of the Defendants hang in the balance, four of whom are charged with felonies and thus are no longer receiving the salaries necessary to support themselves and their families."
White, Rice, Goodson and Porter have been charged with felonies.
"It's very disconcerting that six [defense] lawyers were able to write these motions in two weeks, and the state's attorney's office has over 200 or some attorneys and they need an extension," Bates said. "To me, it's almost as if the state's attorney's office is playing games."
Gregg Leslie, legal defense director for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, said judges sometimes grant gag orders or restrictions on evidence in high-profile cases because they feel the heightened scrutiny amounts to a "big headache" for those involved in the case.
But that isn't how the law should work, Leslie said, and Mosby's office should explain why it believes a protective order is warranted — especially considering that Gray's death removed standard concerns about his medical privacy.
"They should have to show there is a compelling state interest served by keeping this confidential, and that their solution is the most narrowly tailored one," Leslie said.
That could include redacting only certain details in the documents, he said.
It's been... how long since the indictment? And the defense attorney still haven't seen the evidence / statement lists that the prosecution is using???
o.O
Criminal procedure is different than civil procedure. Discovery is much different, but they can't hide evidence. Well they often do, but thats a different thread.
Indeed...
All you have to do is look at the official Michael Brown autopsy that obliterated the ongoing narratives.
In my circle, it didnt. People still believe hands up dont shoot.
All this stuff with police has made me very hesitant to continue with me and my buddies plan to go into the FBI after college.
Why are you taking sociology? I was advised to take accounting or finance. If I wanted to get into the lab side I was advised to get a (now called ) STEM degree.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: Why are you taking sociology? I was advised to take accounting or finance. If I wanted to get into the lab side I was advised to get a (now called ) STEM degree.
Because, It is what I love. I took several other classes, Bio, Geology, Psych, History, and several others.
When I was young an Naive, I though with sociology I could change the world. Now I realize that you cant really affect the world. Now Im going to use what I know to my advantage.
I might go onto working in Diversity training TBH. Companies are under more and more pressure to have a "Diverse Workforce" and often people are brought it to help make that transistion and make sure the workforce gets along, that or human Resources.
The FBI thing was something I was considering. IT happened when a friend of a friend who is in the FBI said my background in sociology could help with racial based crimes and research.
Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby plans to seek a protective order that would block the release of Freddie Gray's autopsy report and other "sensitive" documents as she prosecutes the six police officers involved in his arrest.
Mosby told The Baltimore Sun that prosecutors "have a duty to ensure a fair and impartial process for all parties involved" and "will not be baited into litigating this case through the media."
But an attorney for one of the officers said the effort shows that "there is something in that autopsy report that they are trying to hide."
"Mrs. Mosby is the one who did an announcement discussing what she said the evidence was in a nationally televised speech," said Ivan Bates, who represents Sgt. Alicia White. "Now that it is time to turn over the evidence, to ask for a protective order is beyond disingenuous.
"It's as if she wants to do everything to make sure our clients do not get a fair trial."
Gray, 25, died in April after suffering a severe spinal cord injury in police custody. Mosby has charged the officers with violations ranging from misconduct in office to, in one case, second-degree murder.
Baltimore's chief prosecutor declared her intention to seek the protective order in a court filing Monday. She also asked for more time to respond to defense motions that she and her office be removed from the case and that the case be tried outside Baltimore.
The move is the latest effort by Mosby's office to restrict information in the high-profile case. Her office has also sought a gag order to prevent participants from discussing the case in public, and has broken with a long-standing practice by not giving a copy of the autopsy report to Baltimore police.
In a response to Mosby's latest filing, defense attorneys said Wednesday that they have been denied an outline of evidence and claims against the officers, and have not been allowed to inspect a knife that was taken from Gray during his arrest.
Bates said the protective order would allow only prosecutors and defense attorneys to see the documents, and could require the court to seal all new filings that make reference to information in the documents.
In that way, he said, it would be more restrictive than a gag order.
"Nobody would know anything but the state and the defense, so they would totally hide it from the public," Bates said. "If your case is as good as you said it was, why don't you just show the evidence? … You can't holler and say, 'I'm about accountability for the citizens,' and then run around filing for a protective order."
The Sun is one of 19 news organizations contesting Mosby's gag order request.
Gray's death on April 19, amid a national debate over police brutality, touched off days of protests. On the day of his funeral, the city erupted into several hours of riots, arson and looting.
Mosby filed charges against the officers on May 1 based on what she said was an independent investigation conducted by her office. A grand jury indicted White, Lt. Brian Rice and Officers Caesar Goodson, William Porter, Edward Nero and Garrett Miller three weeks later.
In her filing Monday, Mosby said prosecutors had "attempted to reach an agreement" with defense attorney Michael Belsky for more time to respond to the defense motions. Belsky is defending Rice and serving as the "designated contact attorney" for all of the officers.
Belsky agreed to give the state more time to respond to defense motions to dismiss the case, Mosby said, but only "in exchange for the State releasing certain discovery," including Gray's autopsy report, medical records and "all statements made by the defendants."
He did not agree to give the state more time to respond to the motion to remove the case from Baltimore, Mosby said.
Mosby said her office did not agree to "barter" over the documents.
"Because the State intends to seek a protective order to restrict the dissemination of such sensitive discovery in this matter," she wrote, "the State was not willing to so barter, and so no agreement could be reached."
The deadline for the state to respond to the defense motions is June 11. Mosby is asking for an extension until July 10.
"Defendants' Motions in total span over 150 pages, setting forth a multitude of legal arguments and factual allegations that the State intends to answer diligently," she wrote.
Last month, Deputy State's Attorney Michael Schatzow called a defense motion to dismiss the case or have Mosby recused from it "premature, frivolous, illogical, and unsupported by authority when it is not contradicted by authority."
Mosby said the officers would "suffer no prejudice" from an extension because arraignments aren't scheduled in the case until July 2.
The officers' attorneys, in their response, said prosecutors mischaracterized conversations between the sides and failed to provide a reason why an extension is needed. They said the arraignment date has "no impact" on the need for timely responses to their motions.
They noted Mosby's office took less than two weeks to conduct an investigation into the officers, and said they had "deep-seated concerns" about Mosby attending public events such as a Prince concert and a circus and doing interviews with outlets such as Vogue Magazine while the lives and careers of the officers "remain in jeopardy."
"It is the position of the Defendants that they have been unlawfully charged, that the charges are the by-product of a State's Attorney's Office with deep conflicts of interest, and that the charges are mired by prosecutorial misconduct, which is ongoing in nature," the defense attorneys wrote. "These issues are impairing the Defendants' rights of due process — rights which continue to be injured with each passing day."
The attorneys added that time "is not a luxury as the careers, livelihoods, and liberty of the Defendants hang in the balance, four of whom are charged with felonies and thus are no longer receiving the salaries necessary to support themselves and their families."
White, Rice, Goodson and Porter have been charged with felonies.
"It's very disconcerting that six [defense] lawyers were able to write these motions in two weeks, and the state's attorney's office has over 200 or some attorneys and they need an extension," Bates said. "To me, it's almost as if the state's attorney's office is playing games."
Gregg Leslie, legal defense director for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, said judges sometimes grant gag orders or restrictions on evidence in high-profile cases because they feel the heightened scrutiny amounts to a "big headache" for those involved in the case.
But that isn't how the law should work, Leslie said, and Mosby's office should explain why it believes a protective order is warranted — especially considering that Gray's death removed standard concerns about his medical privacy.
"They should have to show there is a compelling state interest served by keeping this confidential, and that their solution is the most narrowly tailored one," Leslie said.
That could include redacting only certain details in the documents, he said.
It's been... how long since the indictment? And the defense attorney still haven't seen the evidence / statement lists that the prosecution is using???
o.O
Criminal procedure is different than civil procedure. Discovery is much different, but they can't hide evidence. Well they often do, but thats a different thread.
Indeed...
All you have to do is look at the official Michael Brown autopsy that obliterated the ongoing narratives.
In my circle, it didnt. People still believe hands up dont shoot.
Those circle simple refuse to acknowledge the hard evidences.
All this stuff with police has made me very hesitant to continue with me and my buddies plan to go into the FBI after college.
Good luck. And be prepared to move anywhere in the states if you're hired.
Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby plans to seek a protective order that would block the release of Freddie Gray's autopsy report and other "sensitive" documents as she prosecutes the six police officers involved in his arrest.
Mosby told The Baltimore Sun that prosecutors "have a duty to ensure a fair and impartial process for all parties involved" and "will not be baited into litigating this case through the media."
But an attorney for one of the officers said the effort shows that "there is something in that autopsy report that they are trying to hide."
"Mrs. Mosby is the one who did an announcement discussing what she said the evidence was in a nationally televised speech," said Ivan Bates, who represents Sgt. Alicia White. "Now that it is time to turn over the evidence, to ask for a protective order is beyond disingenuous.
"It's as if she wants to do everything to make sure our clients do not get a fair trial."
Gray, 25, died in April after suffering a severe spinal cord injury in police custody. Mosby has charged the officers with violations ranging from misconduct in office to, in one case, second-degree murder.
Baltimore's chief prosecutor declared her intention to seek the protective order in a court filing Monday. She also asked for more time to respond to defense motions that she and her office be removed from the case and that the case be tried outside Baltimore.
The move is the latest effort by Mosby's office to restrict information in the high-profile case. Her office has also sought a gag order to prevent participants from discussing the case in public, and has broken with a long-standing practice by not giving a copy of the autopsy report to Baltimore police.
In a response to Mosby's latest filing, defense attorneys said Wednesday that they have been denied an outline of evidence and claims against the officers, and have not been allowed to inspect a knife that was taken from Gray during his arrest.
Bates said the protective order would allow only prosecutors and defense attorneys to see the documents, and could require the court to seal all new filings that make reference to information in the documents.
In that way, he said, it would be more restrictive than a gag order.
"Nobody would know anything but the state and the defense, so they would totally hide it from the public," Bates said. "If your case is as good as you said it was, why don't you just show the evidence? … You can't holler and say, 'I'm about accountability for the citizens,' and then run around filing for a protective order."
The Sun is one of 19 news organizations contesting Mosby's gag order request.
Gray's death on April 19, amid a national debate over police brutality, touched off days of protests. On the day of his funeral, the city erupted into several hours of riots, arson and looting.
Mosby filed charges against the officers on May 1 based on what she said was an independent investigation conducted by her office. A grand jury indicted White, Lt. Brian Rice and Officers Caesar Goodson, William Porter, Edward Nero and Garrett Miller three weeks later.
In her filing Monday, Mosby said prosecutors had "attempted to reach an agreement" with defense attorney Michael Belsky for more time to respond to the defense motions. Belsky is defending Rice and serving as the "designated contact attorney" for all of the officers.
Belsky agreed to give the state more time to respond to defense motions to dismiss the case, Mosby said, but only "in exchange for the State releasing certain discovery," including Gray's autopsy report, medical records and "all statements made by the defendants."
He did not agree to give the state more time to respond to the motion to remove the case from Baltimore, Mosby said.
Mosby said her office did not agree to "barter" over the documents.
"Because the State intends to seek a protective order to restrict the dissemination of such sensitive discovery in this matter," she wrote, "the State was not willing to so barter, and so no agreement could be reached."
The deadline for the state to respond to the defense motions is June 11. Mosby is asking for an extension until July 10.
"Defendants' Motions in total span over 150 pages, setting forth a multitude of legal arguments and factual allegations that the State intends to answer diligently," she wrote.
Last month, Deputy State's Attorney Michael Schatzow called a defense motion to dismiss the case or have Mosby recused from it "premature, frivolous, illogical, and unsupported by authority when it is not contradicted by authority."
Mosby said the officers would "suffer no prejudice" from an extension because arraignments aren't scheduled in the case until July 2.
The officers' attorneys, in their response, said prosecutors mischaracterized conversations between the sides and failed to provide a reason why an extension is needed. They said the arraignment date has "no impact" on the need for timely responses to their motions.
They noted Mosby's office took less than two weeks to conduct an investigation into the officers, and said they had "deep-seated concerns" about Mosby attending public events such as a Prince concert and a circus and doing interviews with outlets such as Vogue Magazine while the lives and careers of the officers "remain in jeopardy."
"It is the position of the Defendants that they have been unlawfully charged, that the charges are the by-product of a State's Attorney's Office with deep conflicts of interest, and that the charges are mired by prosecutorial misconduct, which is ongoing in nature," the defense attorneys wrote. "These issues are impairing the Defendants' rights of due process — rights which continue to be injured with each passing day."
The attorneys added that time "is not a luxury as the careers, livelihoods, and liberty of the Defendants hang in the balance, four of whom are charged with felonies and thus are no longer receiving the salaries necessary to support themselves and their families."
White, Rice, Goodson and Porter have been charged with felonies.
"It's very disconcerting that six [defense] lawyers were able to write these motions in two weeks, and the state's attorney's office has over 200 or some attorneys and they need an extension," Bates said. "To me, it's almost as if the state's attorney's office is playing games."
Gregg Leslie, legal defense director for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, said judges sometimes grant gag orders or restrictions on evidence in high-profile cases because they feel the heightened scrutiny amounts to a "big headache" for those involved in the case.
But that isn't how the law should work, Leslie said, and Mosby's office should explain why it believes a protective order is warranted — especially considering that Gray's death removed standard concerns about his medical privacy.
"They should have to show there is a compelling state interest served by keeping this confidential, and that their solution is the most narrowly tailored one," Leslie said.
That could include redacting only certain details in the documents, he said.
It's been... how long since the indictment? And the defense attorney still haven't seen the evidence / statement lists that the prosecution is using???
o.O
Criminal procedure is different than civil procedure. Discovery is much different, but they can't hide evidence. Well they often do, but thats a different thread.
Indeed...
All you have to do is look at the official Michael Brown autopsy that obliterated the ongoing narratives.
In my circle, it didnt. People still believe hands up dont shoot.
Those circle simple refuse to acknowledge the hard evidences.
Its not exactly that. When I went to a panel on ferguson, it was about how alot of these people see EVERY part of the justice system as out to get african americans. Every part. Alot where for the tearing down of prisons and the abolishment of prisons, saying they where created specifically to imprison black people. They also believe that the police are a throwback to slavery times and are used the same way. I even met some who said gynecologists are part of a problem why black infants have a 2.5% less chance of surviving than white infants.
There is very much a truth that there is problems with police, but its not ALL race related like people think.
Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby plans to seek a protective order that would block the release of Freddie Gray's autopsy report and other "sensitive" documents as she prosecutes the six police officers involved in his arrest.
Mosby told The Baltimore Sun that prosecutors "have a duty to ensure a fair and impartial process for all parties involved" and "will not be baited into litigating this case through the media."
But an attorney for one of the officers said the effort shows that "there is something in that autopsy report that they are trying to hide."
"Mrs. Mosby is the one who did an announcement discussing what she said the evidence was in a nationally televised speech," said Ivan Bates, who represents Sgt. Alicia White. "Now that it is time to turn over the evidence, to ask for a protective order is beyond disingenuous.
"It's as if she wants to do everything to make sure our clients do not get a fair trial."
Gray, 25, died in April after suffering a severe spinal cord injury in police custody. Mosby has charged the officers with violations ranging from misconduct in office to, in one case, second-degree murder.
Baltimore's chief prosecutor declared her intention to seek the protective order in a court filing Monday. She also asked for more time to respond to defense motions that she and her office be removed from the case and that the case be tried outside Baltimore.
The move is the latest effort by Mosby's office to restrict information in the high-profile case. Her office has also sought a gag order to prevent participants from discussing the case in public, and has broken with a long-standing practice by not giving a copy of the autopsy report to Baltimore police.
In a response to Mosby's latest filing, defense attorneys said Wednesday that they have been denied an outline of evidence and claims against the officers, and have not been allowed to inspect a knife that was taken from Gray during his arrest.
Bates said the protective order would allow only prosecutors and defense attorneys to see the documents, and could require the court to seal all new filings that make reference to information in the documents.
In that way, he said, it would be more restrictive than a gag order.
"Nobody would know anything but the state and the defense, so they would totally hide it from the public," Bates said. "If your case is as good as you said it was, why don't you just show the evidence? … You can't holler and say, 'I'm about accountability for the citizens,' and then run around filing for a protective order."
The Sun is one of 19 news organizations contesting Mosby's gag order request.
Gray's death on April 19, amid a national debate over police brutality, touched off days of protests. On the day of his funeral, the city erupted into several hours of riots, arson and looting.
Mosby filed charges against the officers on May 1 based on what she said was an independent investigation conducted by her office. A grand jury indicted White, Lt. Brian Rice and Officers Caesar Goodson, William Porter, Edward Nero and Garrett Miller three weeks later.
In her filing Monday, Mosby said prosecutors had "attempted to reach an agreement" with defense attorney Michael Belsky for more time to respond to the defense motions. Belsky is defending Rice and serving as the "designated contact attorney" for all of the officers.
Belsky agreed to give the state more time to respond to defense motions to dismiss the case, Mosby said, but only "in exchange for the State releasing certain discovery," including Gray's autopsy report, medical records and "all statements made by the defendants."
He did not agree to give the state more time to respond to the motion to remove the case from Baltimore, Mosby said.
Mosby said her office did not agree to "barter" over the documents.
"Because the State intends to seek a protective order to restrict the dissemination of such sensitive discovery in this matter," she wrote, "the State was not willing to so barter, and so no agreement could be reached."
The deadline for the state to respond to the defense motions is June 11. Mosby is asking for an extension until July 10.
"Defendants' Motions in total span over 150 pages, setting forth a multitude of legal arguments and factual allegations that the State intends to answer diligently," she wrote.
Last month, Deputy State's Attorney Michael Schatzow called a defense motion to dismiss the case or have Mosby recused from it "premature, frivolous, illogical, and unsupported by authority when it is not contradicted by authority."
Mosby said the officers would "suffer no prejudice" from an extension because arraignments aren't scheduled in the case until July 2.
The officers' attorneys, in their response, said prosecutors mischaracterized conversations between the sides and failed to provide a reason why an extension is needed. They said the arraignment date has "no impact" on the need for timely responses to their motions.
They noted Mosby's office took less than two weeks to conduct an investigation into the officers, and said they had "deep-seated concerns" about Mosby attending public events such as a Prince concert and a circus and doing interviews with outlets such as Vogue Magazine while the lives and careers of the officers "remain in jeopardy."
"It is the position of the Defendants that they have been unlawfully charged, that the charges are the by-product of a State's Attorney's Office with deep conflicts of interest, and that the charges are mired by prosecutorial misconduct, which is ongoing in nature," the defense attorneys wrote. "These issues are impairing the Defendants' rights of due process — rights which continue to be injured with each passing day."
The attorneys added that time "is not a luxury as the careers, livelihoods, and liberty of the Defendants hang in the balance, four of whom are charged with felonies and thus are no longer receiving the salaries necessary to support themselves and their families."
White, Rice, Goodson and Porter have been charged with felonies.
"It's very disconcerting that six [defense] lawyers were able to write these motions in two weeks, and the state's attorney's office has over 200 or some attorneys and they need an extension," Bates said. "To me, it's almost as if the state's attorney's office is playing games."
Gregg Leslie, legal defense director for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, said judges sometimes grant gag orders or restrictions on evidence in high-profile cases because they feel the heightened scrutiny amounts to a "big headache" for those involved in the case.
But that isn't how the law should work, Leslie said, and Mosby's office should explain why it believes a protective order is warranted — especially considering that Gray's death removed standard concerns about his medical privacy.
"They should have to show there is a compelling state interest served by keeping this confidential, and that their solution is the most narrowly tailored one," Leslie said.
That could include redacting only certain details in the documents, he said.
It's been... how long since the indictment? And the defense attorney still haven't seen the evidence / statement lists that the prosecution is using???
o.O
Criminal procedure is different than civil procedure. Discovery is much different, but they can't hide evidence. Well they often do, but thats a different thread.
Indeed...
All you have to do is look at the official Michael Brown autopsy that obliterated the ongoing narratives.
In my circle, it didnt. People still believe hands up dont shoot.
Those circle simple refuse to acknowledge the hard evidences.
Its not exactly that. When I went to a panel on ferguson, it was about how alot of these people see EVERY part of the justice system as out to get african americans. Every part. Alot where for the tearing down of prisons and the abolishment of prisons, saying they where created specifically to imprison black people. They also believe that the police are a throwback to slavery times and are used the same way. I even met some who said gynecologists are part of a problem why black infants have a 2.5% less chance of surviving than white infants.
There is very much a truth that there is problems with police, but its not ALL race related like people think.
I've been saying that we'd need to reform not only the Judicial / Incarceration system... but, also the idea that the city treats it's citizen as a ticketing revenue system. That's what we need to do...
Santa Cruz. This is Santa Cruz. The Panel I went to was headed by the women who started "Black Brunch" I remember, one person asked a question of the announcher(A very Smart person from the looks of it) "Do you think The Micheal Brown, Eric Garner and other cases are related to the fugitive slave act?" He said "Yes, I dont even have to give why, just yes"
Also, I personally believe the money generated by tickets the go towards charity You get a ticket for speeding, the money goes to help rehabilitate people who go hurt in speeding accidents. Etc.
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The FBI thing was something I was considering. IT happened when a friend of a friend who is in the FBI said my background in sociology could help with racial based crimes and research.
OK. I was asking specifically as it pertained to the FBI tryout, not a general statement or criticism.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I've been saying that we'd need to reform not only the Judicial / Incarceration system... but, also the idea that the city treats it's citizen as a ticketing revenue system. That's what we need to do...
So much of 'the system' requires inmates and offenders... if we only put violent offenders in jail, we would see we would need only like 1/3rd of the infrastructure which is millions in jobs and infrastructure 'gone'. Local politicians actually run on putting more people into the system to make the system larger to grow jobs.
The parts about un-affordable bail and public defenders being basically equivalent to a guilty plea shows how simply being poor means you are going to prison. 95% of people currently in jail never have a trial, and upwards of 8% of that is innocent people with no knowledge of their rights being tricked into confessing or agreeing to pleas.
Funny how 'plea bargains' virtually didn't exist pre-Civil war until there was a new target population to control. Charge people with a worse crime, and instead of having to prove your case, scare them into accepting a lesser charge if they admit it. Basically 'Avoid the noose'. It is also not common in the rest of the world for plea bargains to happen. There are a lot of changes in how law enforcement and our judicial system 'changed' after the civil war which still haunt us today.
I highly recommend reading the whole article and the provided links for all 40 points. Regardless where you stand, there is a very real truth: "Today, a criminal record serves as both a direct cause and consequence of poverty." and the sad fact is being a minority means you have a higher chance of being born into both a criminal record and poverty.
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Frazzled wrote: Recent DNA and revelations about prosecutor misconduct/FBI controversies are what drove me off of the death penalty. While I agree with it philosophically, I can't realistically.
Frazzled wrote: Well unless illegally hide evidence (which...well again thats another thread) this will come out at actual trial. They cannot hide exculpatory evidence.
Recent DNA and revelations about prosecutor misconduct/FBI controversies are what drove me off of the death penalty. While I agree with it philosophically, I can't realistically.
Holy crap. Are you sure you are Texan enough to live in Texas?
Frazzled wrote: Well unless illegally hide evidence (which...well again thats another thread) this will come out at actual trial. They cannot hide exculpatory evidence.
Recent DNA and revelations about prosecutor misconduct/FBI controversies are what drove me off of the death penalty. While I agree with it philosophically, I can't realistically.
Holy crap. Are you sure you are Texan enough to live in Texas?
Dude I live where people think Jade Helm = Obama/UN invasion.
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Such a fine city. Maybe the mayor thinks this is a good thing because business goes on in some form, even if the brick and morter stores have been looted and burned.
The judge presiding over the prosecution of six Baltimore Police officers involved in the arrest of Freddie Gray struck the state's motion for a gag order in the case.
Judge Charles J. Peters ruled the motion lacked standing in an actual proceeding, as it was filed by Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby's office in Circuit Court on May 14. At that time, the officers' cases were still in District Court. They weren't transferred to Circuit Court until May 21, when the officers were indicted.
Rochelle Ritchie, a Mosby spokeswoman, declined to say whether the state planned to file a new gag order motion, which Peters' ruling did not preclude.
"We're not going to litigate this case in the media and discuss our trial strategy," Ritchie said.
Gray, 25, died April 19, one week after being arrested and sustaining a severe spinal cord injury while being transported in a police van, according to Mosby's office.
Officer Caesar Goodson Jr., the driver of the transport van, has been charged with second-degree murder, and Lt. Brian Rice, Sgt. Alicia White and Officer William Porter have been charged with manslaughter.
Officers Edward Nero and Garrett Miller, the two officers who along with Rice were involved in Gray's initial arrest, face lesser charges, including second-degree assault.
The attorneys for the six officers had asked the court to strike the state's gag order motion on procedural grounds.
Nineteen media outlets, including The Baltimore Sun, also filed a motion opposing the gag order.
Nathan Siegel, an attorney representing The Sun and other media outlets, noted Mosby's office could still file a new gag order motion, but said Peters' decision "is good for the transparency of this case, at least for now."
I can only imagine what would happen had Ferguson's DA asked for a gag order. o.O
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I mean, it sounds like the cops did do something wrong. The question is who is at fault here. I doubt all 6 are to blame. I wonder what will happen or be revealed
hotsauceman1 wrote: I mean, it sounds like the cops did do something wrong. The question is who is at fault here. I doubt all 6 are to blame. I wonder what will happen or be revealed
Sheeples believe all six were involved
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hotsauceman1 wrote: I mean, it sounds like the cops did do something wrong. The question is who is at fault here. I doubt all 6 are to blame. I wonder what will happen or be revealed
Sheeples believe all six were involved
In a 40k Inquisitor sort of way, all six were involved Though I sort of agree with hotsauce... while all six may be guilty of "something" that something isn't universal, and the individual charges should be treated as such (as in, just because one person may get 1st degree murder, doesn't mean the other 5 do as well... not that anyone here is getting murder in the first, just an example)
Sure........will do.....I put that on my list of corrections right behind Ouze SOFA Agreement correction
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About three weeks before Freddie Gray was chased from a West Baltimore corner by three Baltimore police officers — the start of a fatal encounter — the office of prosecutor Marilyn Mosby asked police to target the intersection with "enhanced" drug enforcement efforts, court documents show.
"State's Attorney Mosby asked me to look into community concerns regarding drug dealing in the area of North Ave and Mount St," Joshua Rosenblatt, division chief of Mosby's Crime Strategies Unit, wrote in a March 17 email to a Western District police commander.
The email was disclosed for the first time Tuesday in a motion filed in Baltimore Circuit Court by defense attorneys for the six officers being prosecuted in Gray's arrest and death. The attorneys said Mosby's involvement in the police initiative means that she should be removed from the case.
"Mrs. Mosby herself is now an integral part of the story and as such is a central witness," the defense attorneys argued. "This is a case where the witness and the prosecutor are one and the same."
Mosby, through spokeswoman Rochelle Ritchie, said, "Consistent with our prosecutorial obligations, we will litigate this case in the courtroom and not in the media." Mosby's office received the motion Tuesday afternoon, Ritchie said.
Mosby's office has dismissed previous defense calls for her recusal, including those based on conflict-of-interest allegations stemming from her husband's post as city councilman in the district where Gray was arrested.
In their motion Tuesday, defense attorneys said the email exchange shows that Mosby knew the area where Gray was chased was a high-crime location. They said that bolsters their argument that officers were within their rights to detain and handcuff Gray — even before finding a knife and officially arresting him.
"It must be understood that Mrs. Mosby was directing these officers to one of the highest crime intersections in Baltimore City and asking them to make arrests, conduct surveillance, and stop crime," the defense attorneys wrote. "Now, the State is apparently making the unimaginable argument that the police officers are not allowed to use handcuffs to protect their safety and prevent flight in an investigatory detention where the suspect fled in a high crime area and actually had a weapon on him."
In the March 17 email to Maj. Osborne Robinson, Rosenblatt wrote that Mosby's office wanted to build on the success in reducing crime in the West Baltimore neighborhood through the Operation Ceasefire program by "targeting that intersection for enhanced prosecutorial (and hopefully police) attention." In that program, prosecutors, police and community groups work together to persuade criminals to reform.
On March 20, Robinson forwarded Rosenblatt's email to several Western District officers, including Lt. Brian W. Rice. He was one of the three officers who arrested Gray and one of the six later charged in Gray's arrest and death.
Robinson told Rice and the other officers to begin a "daily narcotics initiative" focused on North Avenue and Mount Street, according to the email, and said he would be collecting "daily measurables" from them on their progress.
"This is effective immediately," Robinson wrote, noting that the officers should use cameras, informants and other covert policing tactics to get the job done.
Lt. Kenneth Butler, president of the Vanguard Justice Society, a group for minority and female Baltimore police officers, said that when orders such as Robinson's come down to target a specific corner, the response is consistent. "They want increased productivity, whether it be car stops, field interviews, arrests — that's what they mean by measurables," he said.
Butler, who said he has been a shift commander on and off for the past 15 years, added, "You have to use whatever tools you have — whether it be bike officers, cameras, foot officers, whatever you have — to abate that problem. So you're going to have to be aggressive."
Butler said that he has never seen such orders come from the state's attorney's office but that they come at the request of politicians and community leaders all the time.
"Once you're given an order, you have to carry it out. It's just that simple," he said.
Kinji Scott, a longtime community activist, defended Mosby's crime-fighting efforts. He said she did not order police to "put Freddie Gray in a situation where he had his spine severed. ... We cannot fault her for doing her job and being involved in the community."
Gray, 25, was arrested April 12 a couple of blocks south of North Avenue and Mount Street after making eye contact with police and running away, according to police. Mosby's office said Gray sustained a severe spinal cord injury while being transported in a police van.
His death a week later, April 19, touched off days of protests that culminated in looting, arson and rioting in a number of neighborhoods, forcing city officials to call in the National Guard and implement a curfew.
Officer Caesar R. Goodson Jr., the driver of the police van, was charged with second-degree depraved heart murder; Rice, Sgt. Alicia D. White and Officer William G. Porter have been charged with manslaughter.
Officers Edward M. Nero and Garrett E. Miller, the two others involved in Gray's arrest, face lesser charges, including second-degree assault.
Under Operation Ceasefire, which tries to break the cycle of recidivism by offering repeat offenders social services to leave crime behind, police and prosecutors sometimes share ideas and coordinate to keep the worst offenders off city streets.
According to Rosenblatt's email, Mosby had been contacted for help in addressing drug dealing at North and Mount by a "mentoring group" that described a "drug shop located directly outside of their facilities." Rosenblatt, a former city detective, said Mosby had received photographs from a resident of drug dealing at the corner.
"I realize that resources are thin for a long-term investigation, but hopefully we can combine community involvement with [the state's attorney's office and Police Department] cooperation to make something happen," Rosenblatt wrote.
Rosenblatt's Crime Strategies Unit, according to the state's attorney's website, uses "technology, data analysis, and intelligence-gathering to identify trends in crime, focus in on the offenders driving that crime, and target those offenders for enforcement."
Rosenblatt could not be reached for comment.
Defense attorneys for the six officers have argued previously that Mosby should not handle the case because of alleged conflicts of interest, including "the seizing of political and personal gain by" Mosby and her husband, City Councilman Nick Mosby, and close ties between her and attorney William H. "Billy" Murphy Jr., who represents Gray's family.
Nick Mosby represents the district where the worst of the rioting occurred after Gray's death. Murphy supported Marilyn Mosby's election campaign, served on her transition committee and represented her in a matter before the Attorney Grievance Commission.
Murphy declined to comment Tuesday; Nick Mosby did not respond to a request for comment.
Mosby and her office have dismissed the alleged conflicts as baseless.
In a state filing, Chief Deputy State's Attorney Michael Schatzow called the suggestion that Nick Mosby's position was a conflict that should prevent her from trying cases in an entire city district "truly a breathtaking non-sequitur."
Schatzow also wrote that the "notion that Mrs. Mosby would bring baseless criminal charges with the entire nation watching just so that Mr. Murphy might have some advantage in the civil case is ludicrous."
In the same filing, Schatzow said Gray's arrest was illegal.
"Mr. Gray was arrested well before the arresting officers knew he possessed a knife," Schatzow wrote. "Mr. Gray was handcuffed at his surrendering location, moved a few feet away, and placed in a prone position with his arms handcuffed behind his back, all before the arresting officers found the knife."
Defense attorneys said in their filing Tuesday that Mosby's office had come up with this "new theory" to support otherwise unfounded charges against the arresting officers. They wrote that the involuntary detention of a suspect using handcuffs prior to an arrest — known commonly as a "stop and frisk" — is legal according to decisions by the Supreme Court and Maryland appeals courts, as well as the Baltimore Police Department's general orders.
Stop-and-frisk policies have long been controversial in Baltimore, where a decade of "zero-tolerance" policing, including under then-Mayor Martin O'Malley, sparked resentment from residents, especially in predominantly African-American neighborhoods where residents say young men are harassed by police.
In 2013, Baltimore police stopped using the term "stop-and-frisk" to describe their tactics, but continued stopping and searching individuals suspected of criminal activity.
Under a 2006 general order that was valid until April of this year, officers were told they could use handcuffs during "involuntary detentions" based on "reasonable suspicion" — a standard that "is more than mere suspicion, but less than probable cause."
In April, a revised policy was issued, but it did not change the department's basic stance on the use of handcuffs during such stops. According to the policy, "investigative stops" can involve the "delay or hindrance of an individual's freedom of movement" when an officer has a "reasonable, articulable suspicion" to justify it.
Such a suspicion can be based on a variety of actions, the policy says, including "furtive behavior," "evasive conduct or unprovoked flight" and "presence in a high crime area."
Byron Warnken, a law professor at the University of Baltimore, said there is "an amorphous sliding scale between a stop and an arrest." It is based on overall circumstances, including how long a person is detained, use of force and the factors that led the officers to become suspicious.
Warnken's firm was hired by Mosby's office before Gray's arrest to train Baltimore officers on Fourth Amendment issues. He said he will be teaching nuances of the law to officers enrolled in his training courses in the coming weeks.
The defense attorneys said Gray was only detained long enough for officers to protect their safety with a weapons check and confirm their suspicions of criminal activity through the discovery of the knife.
A couple of standouts...
Had Mosby’s gag order been successful (it wasn't because she filed in the wrong court), we would never have known about this. We would never have known about her office instructing the police to target the exact area where she now says they had no reason to target.
That email shows that Mosby herself was the one who asked the police to aggressively target the area where Gray was trying to deal. In essence, the officers she now accuses of being too aggressive, were aggressive specifically because Mosby asked them to be.
Oi... it's no wonder why the Police is pushing back.
Stark contrast to what happened to McKinny, where that officer immediately resigned.
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Saying 'we need more cops' in an area in no way equates to 'and be sure to abuse and kill your arrestees.'
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Saying 'we need more cops' in an area in no way equates to 'and be sure to abuse and kill your arrestees.'
Relates in a sense that she's too close to the case. Her office ordered a more aggressive stance.
Turns out the BPD went too far and she's trying to back away as far as you can.
The ethical thing would be for her to recuse herself and have a special prosecutor conduct this case.
I'm looking at this and all I'm seeing is a redux on how the Travon Martin case was conducted.
ordering more people is not aggression, nor can she order anyone. She's prosecution, not police.
That dog don't hunt.
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Saying 'we need more cops' in an area in no way equates to 'and be sure to abuse and kill your arrestees.'
Relates in a sense that she's too close to the case. Her office ordered a more aggressive stance.
Turns out the BPD went too far and she's trying to back away as far as you can.
The ethical thing would be for her to recuse herself and have a special prosecutor conduct this case.
I'm looking at this and all I'm seeing is a redux on how the Travon Martin case was conducted.
ordering more people is not aggression, nor can she order anyone. She's prosecution, not police.
That dog don't hunt.
Did you read that Baltimore Sun article?
Look... Grey died due to obvious negligence, because one's spine doesn't "sever" by itself. I want those responsible held to account. (the driver / or other po-po who may have beaten the handcuff'ed Grey).
Wasn't there an attempt to coverup by deleting some store videos that may have more info? If so, that person need the book thrown at them.
I'm worried that the DA isn't up to conducting a rigorous, legally-sound prosecution... such that, these officer's could go scotts free on technicality.
She fething tried to get that gag order place in the wrong court. Which, rightfully so, got thrown out on technicality.
At a fething minimum, there's an involuntary manslaughter charge there.
But, this DA isn't inspiring any confidence at the moment. I sincerely, really, really hope she proves me wrong.
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I've been saying that we'd need to reform not only the Judicial / Incarceration system... but, also the idea that the city treats it's citizen as a ticketing revenue system. That's what we need to do...
Very much this. The functional role of law enforcement officers in modern society, coupled with the fact that they've put undue effort into selling the public on the myth that they have the "most dangerous job in America," has reduced my respect for police officers to literally zero.
Autopsy of Freddie Gray shows 'high-energy' impact
Freddie Gray suffered a single "high-energy injury" to his neck and spine — most likely caused when the police van in which he was riding suddenly decelerated, according to a copy of the autopsy report obtained by The Baltimore Sun.
The state medical examiner's office concluded that Gray's death could not be ruled an accident, and was instead a homicide, because officers failed to follow safety procedures "through acts of omission."
Though Gray was loaded into the van on his belly, the medical examiner surmised that he may have gotten to his feet and was thrown into the wall during an abrupt change in direction. He was not belted in, but his wrists and ankles were shackled, putting him "at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van."
The medical examiner compared Gray's injury to those seen in shallow-water diving incidents.
Gray, 25, was arrested April 12 following a foot pursuit by officers in the Gilmor Homes area, and he suffered a severe spinal injury while in police custody. His death a week later sparked protests over police brutality and unrest in the city — including looting and rioting — that drew international attention to the case.
The Baltimore state's attorney's office charged the six officers involved in Gray's arrest and transport. Officer Caesar R. Goodson Jr. the driver of the van, is charged with second-degree depraved-heart murder, while Sgt. Alicia D. White, Officer William F. Porter and Lt. Brian W. Rice are charged with manslaughter. Officers Edward M. Nero and Garrett E. Miller face lesser charges, including second-degree assault.
All of the officers have pleaded not guilty, and a trial has been set for October.
The autopsy report was completed April 30, the day before State's Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby announced criminal charges against the officers. The autopsy has not been made public, and the deadline for releasing evidence in the case to defense lawyers is Friday. A copy of the autopsy was obtained and verified by sources who requested anonymity because of the high-profile nature of the case.
The chief medical examiner, Dr. David Fowler, declined to comment, as did the defense attorneys for the officers, who said they have not received the autopsy.
In a statement, Mosby denounced the release of the report. She has sought a protective order to keep evidence in the case out of public view. "I strongly condemn anyone with access to trial evidence who has leaked information prior to the resolution of this case," Mosby said.
Baltimore police union president Lt. Gene Ryan said details in the autopsy raise questions about the charges, demonstrating why the union didn't want prosecutors to "rush to a decision."
"Why not wait till all the facts are in before you make a decision?" he asked. "Let's just sit back and take a breath and let's see everything unfold. I want to see all the evidence come out, because I believe our guys have nothing to hide."
The autopsy details a chronology of the events surrounding Gray's arrest that helped inform the medical examiner's conclusion. The medical examiner relied upon witness statements, videos and an examination of the transport van.
Gray tested positive for opiates and cannabinoid when he was admitted to Maryland Shock Trauma Center, according to the autopsy. The report makes no further reference to the drugs found in his system.
The report does not note any previous injuries to Gray's spine.
In concluding his death was a homicide, Assistant Medical Examiner Carol H. Allan wrote that it was "not an unforeseen event that a vulnerable individual was injured during operation of the vehicle, and that without prompt medical attention, the injury would prove fatal."
While bystanders captured his arrest on video showing Gray moaning for help, the autopsy concluded that he suffered no injuries suggesting a neck hold or stemming from physical restraint. Allan noted that Gray could be seen bearing weight on his legs and speaking as he was loaded into the van.
Officers placed Gray on a metal bench running from front to back along the outside wall of the van. He was not belted in, which is a violation of Baltimore police policy. After the doors were closed, he could be heard yelling and banging, "causing the van to rock," the autopsy noted.
The van made several stops. The second stop occurred a few blocks away on Baker Street, where officers placed an identification band and leg restraints on Gray.
"Reportedly, Mr. Gray was still yelling and shaking the van," the medical examiner wrote. "He was removed from the van and placed on the ground in a kneeling position, facing the van doors, while ankle cuffs were placed, and then slid onto the floor of the van, belly down and head first, reportedly still verbally and physically active."
Authorities previously said the third stop in the area of Fremont and Mosher streets was captured on video, which showed the van driver, Goodson, getting out and looking in the back.
During a fourth stop, at Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue, authorities said, Goodson called for assistance, at which point Porter got involved.
"The assisting officer opened the doors and observed Mr. Gray lying belly down on the floor with his head facing the cabin compartment, and reportedly he was asking for help, saying he couldn't breathe, couldn't get up, and needed a medic," the autopsy says. "The officer assisted Mr. Gray to the bench and the van continued on its way."
The van made a fifth stop at North and Pennsylvania avenues to pick up a second arrestee, where Mosby has said White helped check on Gray.
"Mr. Gray was found kneeling on the floor, facing the front of the van and slumped over to his right against the bench, and reportedly appeared lethargic with minimal responses to direct questions," the report says.
The medical examiner concluded that Gray's most significant injury was to the lower left part of his head. Given the descriptions of his demeanor and positioning in the van, it most likely occurred between the second and fourth stops made by the van driver, and possibly before the third stop, according to the autopsy.
While it's possible Gray was hurt while lying on the floor and moving back and forth, Allan determined that his body likely couldn't have moved in that position with enough force to cause his injuries.
Allan surmised that Gray could have gotten to his feet using the bench and opposite wall. With his hands and ankles restrained, and unable to see out of the van and anticipate turns, she said, he was at a high risk for an unsupported fall.
She also noted the possibility that Gray's neck injury occurred "with him in a partially reclining position or as he was changing his position on the floor of the van," if the van moved abruptly enough.
The injury to Gray's spinal cord would have caused loss of function of his limbs, and would have "direct effects" on his ability to breathe, according to the autopsy.
Police had said in a court filing that the second passenger reported hearing Gray banging and kicking through the metal divider. Allan said that would not have been possible given Gray's injuries, but he may have been suffering a seizure at the time, which could have caused the noise, she said.
Failure to secure Freddy Grey with seatbelts is what the Medical Examiner determined this death as "homicide" as opposed to "accidential".
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Though I sort of agree with hotsauce... while all six may be guilty of "something" that something isn't universal, and the individual charges should be treated as such (as in, just because one person may get 1st degree murder, doesn't mean the other 5 do as well... not that anyone here is getting murder in the first, just an example)
