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Grey Templar wrote: Thats... no. No splitting of Sauron into fragments. That is kinda dumb and we've never had anything of the sort in the Legendarium.
He can take spirit form and travel quickly, but actually going full on multiple bodies and personalities is too far.
I agree, it'd be pretty hokey for all the 'potential Saurons' to turn out to be Sauron.
Though frankly I think people are overly fixated on finding Sauron in everything happening here (perhaps because Galadriel is so insistent on it!), Morgoth had other servants and so far and Adar is likely but one of them.
Meteor Man has a lot of ominous signs about him, but I suspect they're a red herring.
Halbrand has been shown able to make friends and influence people relatively easily, but I think if he was Sauron beating up those toughs in the alley would be counterproductive to his long-term plans.
Grey Templar wrote: Sauron wasn't originally evil you are correct. And his evil was very different from Morgoths. He was originally a follower of Aule, so he was a peerless crafter. Obsessed with order and beauty, and this led to a desire for control. Sauron's evil is one of domination and control. Morgoth's was an evil of total destruction and corruption to no purpose out of spite for the inability to create his own vision of the world.
Going to counter you on this one just because I'm listening to the Silmarillion again on audiobook (telling friends half-remembered Tolkien lore and how it may or may not be factoring into the series made me want to read it again) and Morgoth's desire to dominate others, whether it be his peers, the natural order of the universe, or the living beings that were foretold to exist is well established - and may well be the central tenant of Evil in the world.
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Jadenim wrote: On a similar vein, I’m curious as to why they didn’t show the Numenorean king, even when the Regent was talking to him?
I know feth all about Tolkien lore, outside of the Peter Jackson films, but I'm half expecting the king to be in a "cursed/bewitched Theoden" type fugue that Gandalf broke him out of. Was it Saruman or Sauron that did that to Theoden in Two Towers?
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Jadenim wrote: On a similar vein, I’m curious as to why they didn’t show the Numenorean king, even when the Regent was talking to him?
I know feth all about Tolkien lore, outside of the Peter Jackson films, but I'm half expecting the king to be in a "cursed/bewitched Theoden" type fugue that Gandalf broke him out of. Was it Saruman or Sauron that did that to Theoden in Two Towers?
If we are at the end of Numenor, as the inclusion of Ellindil & sons implies, the reigning king should be Ar-Pharazon.
Jadenim wrote: On a similar vein, I’m curious as to why they didn’t show the Numenorean king, even when the Regent was talking to him?
I know feth all about Tolkien lore, outside of the Peter Jackson films, but I'm half expecting the king to be in a "cursed/bewitched Theoden" type fugue that Gandalf broke him out of. Was it Saruman or Sauron that did that to Theoden in Two Towers?
Saruman. in the scene where Gandalf reveals hes been though the spin cycle and casts saruman out, you can here saruman speak through theoden (the lines "if i go, theoden dies!" and "Rohan is mine" is deffo Chrisopher Lee)
my guesses as to why they are holding back on Numenorean king (canonically, Tar-Palantir), is either because hes a highly recognisable actor and they want to keep the suprise "hey, its that guy!" factor for a big reveal later, the actor is paid on a "per episode" basis and they cut around him to save costs, or in this version, hes actaully already dead or missing & not present in the scene, and the Queen regent (Tar-Míriel, his daughter) is speaking to a painting, the crown jewels or some other "focus" of remembrance.
also, according to the extant lore, the bearded "advisor" to the queen we've seen, Ar-Pharazôn (her cousin), led a rebellion against the king, then seized power after the death of Tar-palantir (cause not stated, but at over 220 years of age, could well have been old age, or not...), forcibly married Miriel to legitimise his reign, lead the Numeroneans in thier interventions agianst sauron that captured him, then fell under his spell and led the numeroneans to attempt to sail to Valinor which caused the fall and flooding of his kingdom........ So, yhea, keep an eye on him.
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Jadenim wrote: On a similar vein, I’m curious as to why they didn’t show the Numenorean king, even when the Regent was talking to him?
I know feth all about Tolkien lore, outside of the Peter Jackson films, but I'm half expecting the king to be in a "cursed/bewitched Theoden" type fugue that Gandalf broke him out of. Was it Saruman or Sauron that did that to Theoden in Two Towers?
Saruman. in the scene where Gandalf reveals hes been though the spin cycle and casts saruman out, you can here saruman speak through theoden (the lines "if i go, theoden dies!" and "Rohan is mine" is deffo Chrisopher Lee)
my guesses as to why they are holding back on Numenorean king (canonically, Tar-Palantir), is either because hes a highly recognisable actor and they want to keep the suprise "hey, its that guy!" factor for a big reveal later, the actor is paid on a "per episode" basis and they cut around him to save costs, or in this version, hes actaully already dead or missing & not present in the scene, and the Queen regent (Tar-Míriel, his daughter) is speaking to a painting, the crown jewels or some other "focus" of remembrance.
also, according to the extant lore, the bearded "advisor" to the queen we've seen, Ar-Pharazôn (her cousin), led a rebellion against the king, then seized power after the death of Tar-palantir (cause not stated, but at over 220 years of age, could well have been old age, or not...), forcibly married Miriel to legitimise his reign, lead the Numeroneans in thier interventions agianst sauron that captured him, then fell under his spell and led the numeroneans to attempt to sail to Valinor which caused the fall and flooding of his kingdom........ So, yhea, keep an eye on him.
I have hope to see the great fleet (Ar-pharazon's invasion fleet against Valinor), even if the rest of this show is a dumpster fire.
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If we're putting money on Halbrand, the exiled king from the southlands, to wind up being a Nazgul in the end, and eventually we'll get to the Nine and their corruption by the Rings of Power, need some groundwork:
Is it correct that officially, we only know a few things about the Nazgul? Only one is named (Khamul, an Easterling king), three of them are former Kings of Numenor, and one of them who isn't Khamul founds Angmar (thereafter known as the Witch-King of Angmar)
That also makes me wonder if the not-Eminem character in the previews is actually Khamul or a herald from thereabouts (Amazon says "from far to the east—from the lands of Rhûn" about not-Eminem)
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3 of the Nazgul were Numenoreans. They weren't necessarily Kings of Numenor. The Nazgul as a whole were, in life, great kings and sorcerers in their lifetimes.
The only named Nazgul is Khamul the Easterling, the 2nd in command after the Witch King. The Witch King's identity is unknown, as are the other 7, but it is likely that he was one of the 3 Numenorean Nazgul.
Honestly, the only evil Numenorean who cannot be a Nazgul is Ar-Pharazon. He is buried in Aman with his host till the end of the world, so it has to be someone else.
Jadenim wrote: On a similar vein, I’m curious as to why they didn’t show the Numenorean king, even when the Regent was talking to him?
I know feth all about Tolkien lore, outside of the Peter Jackson films, but I'm half expecting the king to be in a "cursed/bewitched Theoden" type fugue that Gandalf broke him out of. Was it Saruman or Sauron that did that to Theoden in Two Towers?
If we are at the end of Numenor, as the inclusion of Ellindil & sons implies, the reigning king should be Ar-Pharazon.
Well, this is what is more or less what is supposed to happen.
When Tar-Palantir dies without a male heir, Pharazon usurps the throne from Mirial and forces her to marry him. Which is when he names himself Ar-Pharazon. Which is taboo due to them being cousins.
I do think they kinda made him a little too old, he shouldn't be going grey yet.
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Grey Templar wrote: 3 of the Nazgul were Numenoreans. They weren't necessarily Kings of Numenor. The Nazgul as a whole were, in life, great kings and sorcerers in their lifetimes.
The only named Nazgul is Khamul the Easterling, the 2nd in command after the Witch King. The Witch King's identity is unknown, as are the other 7, but it is likely that he was one of the 3 Numenorean Nazgul.
Honestly, the only evil Numenorean who cannot be a Nazgul is Ar-Pharazon. He is buried in Aman with his host till the end of the world, so it has to be someone else.
Jadenim wrote: On a similar vein, I’m curious as to why they didn’t show the Numenorean king, even when the Regent was talking to him?
I know feth all about Tolkien lore, outside of the Peter Jackson films, but I'm half expecting the king to be in a "cursed/bewitched Theoden" type fugue that Gandalf broke him out of. Was it Saruman or Sauron that did that to Theoden in Two Towers?
If we are at the end of Numenor, as the inclusion of Ellindil & sons implies, the reigning king should be Ar-Pharazon.
Well, this is what is more or less what is supposed to happen.
When Tar-Palantir dies without a male heir, Pharazon usurps the throne from Mirial and forces her to marry him. Which is when he names himself Ar-Pharazon. Which is taboo due to them being cousins.
I do think they kinda made him a little too old, he shouldn't be going grey yet.
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well, Ar-Pharazôn is supposed to be as old as Tar-Míriel, who appears to be much younger in this version.
Personally, i'm leaning towards Tal Palantir being already dead, and Pharazon is running things "behind the scenes". the timeline here is already quite divergent form the traditional version. the Titular rings of power, that clearly have not yet been forged, were made around 1590 of the Second Age, but miriel wasnt born until 3117, and I think we would have noticed that Galadriel was walking around wearing Nenya if she was already a Ringbearer.
clearly, they have decided to compress the timeline to make a more interesting story.
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Grey Templar wrote: 3 of the Nazgul were Numenoreans. They weren't necessarily Kings of Numenor. The Nazgul as a whole were, in life, great kings and sorcerers in their lifetimes.
The only named Nazgul is Khamul the Easterling, the 2nd in command after the Witch King. The Witch King's identity is unknown, as are the other 7, but it is likely that he was one of the 3 Numenorean Nazgul.
Honestly, the only evil Numenorean who cannot be a Nazgul is Ar-Pharazon. He is buried in Aman with his host till the end of the world, so it has to be someone else.
Jadenim wrote: On a similar vein, I’m curious as to why they didn’t show the Numenorean king, even when the Regent was talking to him?
I know feth all about Tolkien lore, outside of the Peter Jackson films, but I'm half expecting the king to be in a "cursed/bewitched Theoden" type fugue that Gandalf broke him out of. Was it Saruman or Sauron that did that to Theoden in Two Towers?
If we are at the end of Numenor, as the inclusion of Ellindil & sons implies, the reigning king should be Ar-Pharazon.
Well, this is what is more or less what is supposed to happen.
When Tar-Palantir dies without a male heir, Pharazon usurps the throne from Mirial and forces her to marry him. Which is when he names himself Ar-Pharazon. Which is taboo due to them being cousins.
I do think they kinda made him a little too old, he shouldn't be going grey yet.
Ah, that could be why they didn’t show the King; he could already be dead and she’s covering up acting as regent to avoid giving up power / handing over power to Pharazon?
They may have made him older just to ramp up the creepiness level.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I started going grey around the age of 22. At least, that’s when I first noticed it following a severe haircut.
It always shocks me how quickly many white people age sometimes. I'm lucky enough to have the Asian gene that keeps us looking younger than we actually are. Not great if you want to go to bars but I don't drink so that's not really a problem. Works out for when I want a student discount and I still have my school ID though!
clearly, they have decided to compress the timeline to make a more interesting story.
The primary reason driving the timeline compression is the showrunners not wanting to re-cast the non-Elven actors every season.
understandable, and frankly im not bothered so long as the story is good. im just pointing out that these changes limit our ability to predict the exact flow of the series by looking at the extant lore, as they are changing that for (perfectly sensible) reasons. However, the "splash page" that had the shot of Elendil i shared above described Miriel as "bearing a terrible secret that looms over her entire people".
We've already seen a few shots in the teasers of a massed cavalry charge by the Numenoreans, (apparently, heavy cav was always a distinctly Mannish phenomenon according to tolkein), which would lead me to assume a intervention into some major battle is going to happen this season.
it will be intresting to see how they play this out and which events they are going to choose to cover over the 5 seasons. Im going with :
the forging of the rings, and corruption of the 9 ringwraiths,
the War of the Elves and Sauron (that overuns and destroys the current elf kingdom of Eregion, but is saved last minute by Numenoreans intervention),
then the events leading up to and including the fall of Numenor is pretty much a given,
as is the establishing of Gondor and Arnor,
and i would assume the finale would be the War of the Last Alliance, that starts the Third Age and the LOTR trilogy proper.
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do what now? Rhûn is populated by Easterlings. so what are you trying to say precisely here?
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I am in no way complaining about the current conversations/speculations. However, do we want to do a book events that haven’t happened in the show yet in spoilers thing similar to what was done for Game of Thrones?
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Well, me too, but these are still Numenoreans. Even at 137ish years old when he seized the Throne he should look like a dude in his mid 40s. He is also described as being notably tall, good looking,and harkening back to the early days of Numenoreans in his physical appearance. He was also king for 64 years before the downfall.
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AduroT wrote: I am in no way complaining about the current conversations/speculations. However, do we want to do a book events that haven’t happened in the show yet in spoilers thing similar to what was done for Game of Thrones?
The Silmarillion was published in 1977. Spoiler period is long gone.
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AduroT wrote: I am in no way complaining about the current conversations/speculations. However, do we want to do a book events that haven’t happened in the show yet in spoilers thing similar to what was done for Game of Thrones?
Spoiler: Sauron makes not two, not three, but ONE ring to rule them all, and it's a bad thing for everyone else with rings.
Sorry, couldn't resist, sorry if that spoils it for you.
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AduroT wrote: I am in no way complaining about the current conversations/speculations. However, do we want to do a book events that haven’t happened in the show yet in spoilers thing similar to what was done for Game of Thrones?
I don't think its necessary - strictly speaking relevant events from the books are critical to well known story elements from Lord of the Rings already, and whether or not the show is faithful to those events is largely up in the air. Do people who are watching the show without having read the Silmarillion or say the books published by Christopher Tolkien find it disruptive?
FWIW the Silmarillion describes these events from a million miles up in prose and style that more closely mimics the Bible so between the showrunners taking liberties with it and the individual reader's tendency to come away with a different interpretation of it there's a good chance these predictions will be way off anyway.
Definitely a feeling of escalation. As someone being told these tales for the first time, I feel the first three were wisely spent setting the scene. And part of episode 4, too.
I’m absolutely loving this show. And most impressive? Decent Scottish accents, and not necessarily from Scottish actors.
That may seem a petty thing to most, and fair enough. But as a Scot, hearing my nation’s notable accent butchered has always got on my tits. It’s in the vowels for the most part, so it’s not terribly hard to get right. Well, I mean obviously it is given the long history of Crap Scottish Accents In Media. But it shouldn’t be.
Also really loving the design of the Orcs. Really wishing GW had a license for this. But then…I’m not currently aware of anyone else having that particular slice o’license, so maybe never say never?
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Mrs. GG and I just finished episode 4. Some looser writing than I would have preferred but we enjoyed HBO's Rome with its flaws so this is doing fine. I quite like the look of the Numenorean Royal Guard, who by the way got considerably less dialogue than even the lowest of the Orcs. Nor did those Royal Guards come across as very competent. Anyway… decent enough show that the episode seemed to fly by and left us wanting more.
Yeah. The Dwarf Hold is amazing. I’m chuffed it also ties into the style of architecture shown in the films, as seeing them bustling and full of life really adds to the doldrums we see them in much later.
Like having explored a decaying industrial building, then seeing film of its heyday.
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well, watching it now, i think its solidified a thought i had in my head last week: this isnt the same Galadriel we know form the Third Age...but it IS the person that Third Age Galadriel was scared of, when she was offered the One Ring....
I quite like the look of the Numenorean Royal Guard, who by the way got considerably less dialogue than even the lowest of the Orcs.
indeed, its quite reminiscent of the Guards of the Fountain Court of Gondor. clearly Elendil and Isildur modelled their equipment after the royal guards uniforms.
discussion of specific plot points
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I am not sure of Adar. i do not think hes Suaron himself, just another servant of him. The Beleriand he speaks of is a land lost to the sea during the First Age, about three thousand years prior to the show). he might be some type of corrupted elf, seeking to restore what was lost.
So, in another departure form the old lore, palantir is still alive, but not able to rule. The rebellion that ended his life has been changed to a soft deposition, which works well enough, and i would assume that Pharazôn will continue to act has he has, as the "populist" chancellor until such time as the old king dies and he then makes a bid for power himself.
I must say, having a immortal elf give a sermon on mortality to a mortal dwarf being seems...condescending, almost arrogant? I don't know, it struck something of an off chord for me. I quite liked the dwarven singing, though. given that several of the Rings of Power are discribed as being Mithril, I would assume the "secret" gets out, and the dwarves (once they devine the purpose of the forge they are making), use their access and control of supply to force the elves to make the 7 rings for them.
It's interesting to see that the very corruption the elves feared still lingered in the hearts of men....still lingered in the hearts of men indeed. Is it paranoia when your fears are in fact rational?
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The main powers of the rings were generally that they enhance their wearer's natural abilities. They were also supposed to, eventually, enslave the users will to the One Ring. Their users fading till eventually they all became wraiths. The men who became the Nazgul didn't immediately fall completely. They lived an extended life of great power, not aging and having great magical abilities, but eventually instead of aging they slowly faded into the wraiths they were at the end of the 3rd age. Their spirits transitioning into the Unseen Realm while their bodies withered.
However, Dwarves proved immune to direct domination. Instead of fading, they simply became greedy and extremely skilled at gathering wealth, wealth which was somewhat tainted by the ring they wore. This is one reason for Smaug taking over the Lonely Mountain, the ring the king of Erebor had drew him there.
The Elven rings were not made with any input from Sauron, only with the knowledge given to Celebrimbor by Sauron. Thus they were also immune to his domination, but not his detection and complete knowledge. So when Sauron put on the One Ring for the first time, he was aware of the Elven rings(he had not been aware of their existence before this). And the Elven bearers were also aware of him, and could remove their rings. Had they kept them on, Sauron would have complete knowledge of what they did, said, and thought while wearing them.
The One Ring's power is also fairly nebulous. It also, at least for people who aren't Sauron, seems to specifically enhance the wearer's natural abilities. One thing it did is draw the wearer partly into the Unseen Realm, thus making them invisible to mortals, but much more visible to wraiths and elves who exist partly in both. Even simply by having it on your person, not just wearing it. For Sauron, it would allow him to be aware of who and where the bearers of all other rings were. As well as enhance his own abilities massively, though parting with it was also quite debilitating for him. He couldn't dominate the elven rings, but he could locate them and thus their hidden locations would be easy to find.
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a few tibits of intresting lore i've pick up form looking on the LOTR wiki. I've spoilered it so those seeking to avoid it can.
Spoiler:
Elrond Half elven had a brother, elros, and both were asked at the end of the First Age (which ended 3,400 years before the War of the Last Alliance, which i believe to be the climatic event of this 5-season series, and the scene that the Fellowship of the Rings shows in its opening flashback) to choose between human and elven blood and lifetimes. Elrond chose elfdom, and became Hugo Weaving. Elros chose humanity, and went on to found Numernor (and is the source of the long lives the numernor kings enjoyed). So, Elrond is technically a great (to the 25th generation) uncle to queen regent Miriel (and, though links between Miriel and the other nobles of numeror like Elendil and Isildur, to Aragorn....which makes his marriage to Elrond's daughter EXTRA spicy).
Rivendell, the relm we associate with Elrond, has not yet been founded, but should be, during the events of the series. He marries and has Arwen during the Third Age. Lothlorien, the relm of Galadriel in the Third Age, is already extant, but ruled by someone else. I guess we might see her travel there to become its ruler during the course of the series.
Of the three elven Rings of power, Galadriel gets one form the start and keeps it, Elrond acquires one at the end of the (assumed) timeframe of this series, and the third is kept by an elf called Círdan, who passed to Gandalf when he arrives during the Third age. Of the 7 dwarven rings, 4 are "consumed by dragonfire" (one of the few things able to damage these artifacts), and three Aquired by Sauron before the War of the Ring (the events of the LOTR films)
While the Wizards were sent to deal with Sauron in the thousandth year of the Third Age, that is not the first time that the Maiar (servents to the Valar, something like "angels", or "demigods") had been to middle earth. The stranger that the hobbits have found could well be Olórin, later known to the races of Men as Gandalf (tolkein had a nasty tendency to give characters multiple names in different langauges).
of note, all the "elvish" we hear is labelled (at least in the subtitles) as Quenya, the "high elven" tongue spoken in Valinor. This is not the same as the lord of the rings, where the elves speak Sindarin as their main tongue, and quenya is described as almost like "elf latin" in its limited use. Its interesting, as most elves, even by this point, are not ones who ever lived in Valinor (being born in Middle earth during the 1st and 2nd ages), and the old lore says that while quenya was widely understood by elves, Sindarin was the "day tongue" for pretty much all of them (Galadriel is noted in the wiki as being the ONLY named elf in the LOTR trilogy who would have been taught Quenya as her birth language, for example).
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What exactly do, or I suppose did, The Rings of Power actually do? And did the One Ring act as a mind control type thing?
There’s some subtle differences, certainly in the Elven rings; Nenya, the ring of adamant’s power is primarily one of preservation, which is why Lothlorien is this ethereal fragment of an earlier age by the time of LoTR.
I think the intention was that the rings are supposed to help bring peace, stability and prosperity to each of their respective races; it would explain why the Dwarven ones would corrupt from prosperity to greed and probably why the human ones went from strength of stability to domination.
One subtle thing I really like from the credits of the new series, is the implication that the rings reflect the harmonies of the universe (the whole universe ultimately being the song of the Valar); the one ring changes the tune? This also comes up with the Dwarven singing and as I write this I’m thinking that the writer’s have been a lot more clever and subtle with this than I’d initially realised.
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With regards to the “fathers” speech by Elrond, I didn’t find it arrogant at all. Elrond is one of the few elves that actually understand mortality; his brother became a mortal and died and he lost his father to a heavenly quest. The death of a loved one is terrible, but the thought of that person being alive but removed from you for all eternity is even rougher.
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