Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

So guys I played this guy with 30 death company with a Chaplin


I found them to be so hard to kill with my orks

I had 100 shot from my shoota boys and killed 3

I assualted with my storm boys and a mob of 20 with 4 PK in them and lost combat by 25.

Then ge shot me.

Does relentless alow you to rapid fire and assualt? I know relentless allow you to fire heavy weapons. The guy seemed to hav lots wrong rules.

The squad killed about it's points worth of orks. I finnished it off with my 3 deff dread because he did not have PF only 2 melta bomb.

He also had the blood angel named character libby who is very tough to kill.

Overall I killed most of his things and only his 3 termi and a squad with two man left on his objective.

I had 20 lootas 2 deffdread and 15 boys left.


How on earth you kill a 30 man blob of death ???????? I just can't hurt them with their FNP

also I think he cheated me on points, I think he had 2000 vs my 1750 but his termis did not come in till turn 5 so it's ok and it ended on turn five.

If he gets clever and take PF in his 30 man blob then even my dreads can't hurt them.

Land raider redeemer can lol but that's about it.

Yes, Relentless allows you to assault after Rapid Firing.

The best way to deal with them is to exploit their Rage rule. Take a fast unit such as a Deffkopta or some Stormboyz, and lead them away from your fragiler units. Literaly keep them out of charge range, but make sure it's the closest thing to the DC, and you should be able to lead them around harmlessly, until either they destroy your bait unit, or are destroyed themselves.

Run them around via rage, dont assault them.

LOL. One of my friends just played against a 25-DC BA army at the Ard Boyz (using his Tau). He just led them away with a pair of gun drones and then proceeded to massacre the rest of the BA army. LMFAO. But wait? Why am I laughing? That unit is just so silly it isn't even funny.

Just use deffcoptas, warbuggies or even 1 truck to lead them away and let them go play follow-the-leader. You don't need to kill the unit to neutralize them in a game.

Ya, just lead them away, the rage rule works against them in more ways than you think

The deploy ment was bad for me since we got dawn of war and he just put everything on the line and charged me fist turn.

Yeah also just realised I got cheated the whole game. He said they had fleet. He told me all his guys have fleet.

That was just a lie. Also yes he had 2020 points vs my 1750.
Yes could have lead them away using the storm boys but I did no know the rage rule.

best thing i have ever seen, same situation, 20-25 DC, super unit, i shot them at the back of the unit with a biovore, missed, then they had to chase down and assault the spore mines, BOOM! didn't kill much but slowed them down and was funny as hell!

I should just put orks infront them an let them eat them an charge my deffdread in.

And sent my storm boys towards his objective and kill those marines hiding

Also should put my lootas at a better place so they can actully shoot something.

bombboy1252 wrote:Ya, just lead them away, the rage rule works against them in more ways than you think

I played a 30 man DC squad with 2 HQ's and packs all kitted out during 'Ard Boyz - Just used speeders to draw them away ntil I was ready to deal with them via massed power weapons (weeeeeee furioso with talons!)

As orks, just use coptas and buggies like others said and pick them down to a manageable level

1) Obtain Warbuggies

2) Deploy Warbuggies

3) Move Buggies Flat Out

4) Have the Orks driving it go "HERE YA DETH CO'PNY! Kiss my green arse!"

5) Watch as Death company get mad and chase warbuggies. Just stay further away then they can charge.

6) Clean up whatever army he has behind that squad.

Rapid fire, does the DC have bolt pistol and chiansword isntead of a boltgun??? Bolt b<pistol are assault not rapid fire.

Also, make sure he uses his rage. I had fun kiting my firends dc unit with my gretchins during one game, it won me the game >

If you really want to kill it,Use a full squad of Meganobs lead by (serperate)Ghazzie and supported by Kanz and Dreds.Let him charge your Meganobs,as the have Slow and Purposeful and have a hard time charging.Once he is tied down,use the Ghaz Waaaagh!,and assault with the Kanz,Dreds and Ghaz.

I think you had the right tactic the first time around - use your deff dread, the 2 meltabombers are only hitting on 6's in cc and the others can't chink the armor. If you do nothing but tarpit the squad the whole game you will probably be able to send your army to his other stuff and win. if he's paying points for 30 DC then he doesn't have many points left over, as they are expensive.

tetrisphreak wrote:I think you had the right tactic the first time around - use your deff dread, the 2 meltabombers are only hitting on 6's in cc and the others can't chink the armor. If you do nothing but tarpit the squad the whole game you will probably be able to send your army to his other stuff and win. if he's paying points for 30 DC then he doesn't have many points left over, as they are expensive.

My friend took care of that problem by putting 1 to 2 pfs in his DC

Serder wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:I think you had the right tactic the first time around - use your deff dread, the 2 meltabombers are only hitting on 6's in cc and the others can't chink the armor. If you do nothing but tarpit the squad the whole game you will probably be able to send your army to his other stuff and win. if he's paying points for 30 DC then he doesn't have many points left over, as they are expensive.

My friend took care of that problem by putting 1 to 2 pfs in his DC

Ew. Okay go back to kiting them around the table with warbuggies and deffkoptas. Or go the nob bikerz route and put as many PK's as you can, give a few cybork bodies, a painboy, and give him a taste of his own medicine.

tetrisphreak wrote:

Serder wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:I think you had the right tactic the first time around - use your deff dread, the 2 meltabombers are only hitting on 6's in cc and the others can't chink the armor. If you do nothing but tarpit the squad the whole game you will probably be able to send your army to his other stuff and win. if he's paying points for 30 DC then he doesn't have many points left over, as they are expensive.

My friend took care of that problem by putting 1 to 2 pfs in his DC

Ew. Okay go back to kiting them around the table with warbuggies and deffkoptas. Or go the nob bikerz route and put as many PK's as you can, give a few cybork bodies, a painboy, and give him a taste of his own medicine.

Yeah, my trick was 9 man nobs squad in a BW with ghazzy and a big mek. Move up, gget the charge, hit him hard with wound allocation. Overkill his 10 man DC plus lemartes. LoL hard, lol.

otherwise, I kite him when he gets out of the LR.

Good work.

Serder wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:

Serder wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:I think you had the right tactic the first time around - use your deff dread, the 2 meltabombers are only hitting on 6's in cc and the others can't chink the armor. If you do nothing but tarpit the squad the whole game you will probably be able to send your army to his other stuff and win. if he's paying points for 30 DC then he doesn't have many points left over, as they are expensive.

My friend took care of that problem by putting 1 to 2 pfs in his DC

Ew. Okay go back to kiting them around the table with warbuggies and deffkoptas. Or go the nob bikerz route and put as many PK's as you can, give a few cybork bodies, a painboy, and give him a taste of his own medicine.

Yeah, my trick was 9 man nobs squad in a BW with ghazzy and a big mek. Move up, gget the charge, hit him hard with wound allocation. Overkill his 10 man DC plus lemartes. LoL hard, lol.

otherwise, I kite him when he gets out of the LR.

Killing 10 is easy I did that but 30 is a pain because they get 90 attacks before I do.

90, 60 hit, 30 wound.

25 dead orks.

If i counter charge 90 orks.

I have 65 left. 260 attacks 140 hit. 70 wound.

11.6 dead DC.

I still lose combat.

Is rage means he have to moe towards the closes unit? If so them I guess I can just feed him20 orks per turn since I have 4 squads of them and stormboys and 3 deffdread and 20 lootas.

Everytime he chews through my orks, I will just shoot everything and flame him since 30 deathcompany in a nice tight formation is amazing for flaming.

3 flame template killed 3 DC. better than my entire army in shooting.

30 man DC is a horde.As an Ork player,you know what kills hordes.Counter with the same things most players use on you.

That's awful advice, Deadshot. You can't counter a 30 man power armor unit with specialized wargear and elite stats with the same things you use to counter a horde of Orks or IG guardsmen. Throw some heavy bolters in your list and see if that does it. Watch the BA player laugh at you trying to use anti-horde gear on MEQs.

30 DC is a huge portion of their army, especially if he has them kitted out. Avoid and Evade. Bait them with something fast moving. Laugh as you kill the few other units of his on the board with overwhelming numbers.

If you're actually trying to kill that squad, use long-range high-power blast templates. For example, if I met that list with my BA list, I'd be dropping vindicator shells on it when I could. Similarly with my Necrons I'd particle whip it. With a ball that big, you'll be taking huge chunks of his army out. Unless of course he's smart and deploys them in a line, in which case sacrifice a unit to force pile in, and then do it

Dealing with it as an Ork player... Killakannons maybe? I'm not super familiar with the codex :/

Darkjediben wrote:That's awful advice, Deadshot. You can't counter a 30 man power armor unit with specialized wargear and elite stats with the same things you use to counter a horde of Orks or IG guardsmen. Throw some heavy bolters in your list and see if that does it. Watch the BA player laugh at you trying to use anti-horde gear on MEQs.

Thwe best way to kill high saving throw modals is to force saves.Pour enouhg shots on and they will fail enough evntually.I am still not saying don't lead them around using rage.Just fire on them while doing so.

PS-If they have been armed with JP,then the rage thing won't work,as they have the same speed as most of your modals.Trukks,warbuggies won't be able to out run them.You would be best to use Bikes and Koptas,unless the koptas don't give the automatyic cover save,in which case use bikers.

Deadshot wrote:30 man DC is a horde.As an Ork player,you know what kills hordes.Counter with the same things most players use on you.

Anti horde does not work on DCs because of the 3+ and FNP. If you try to wound them with shooting, try using something that causes ID and/or that has AP3. Then the dead will start piling up.
Mathammer=

Deadshot wrote:

Darkjediben wrote:That's awful advice, Deadshot. You can't counter a 30 man power armor unit with specialized wargear and elite stats with the same things you use to counter a horde of Orks or IG guardsmen. Throw some heavy bolters in your list and see if that does it. Watch the BA player laugh at you trying to use anti-horde gear on MEQs.

Thwe best way to kill high saving throw modals is to force saves.Pour enouhg shots on and they will fail enough evntually.I am still not saying don't lead them around using rage.Just fire on them while doing so.

PS-If they have been armed with JP,then the rage thing won't work,as they have the same speed as most of your modals.Trukks,warbuggies won't be able to out run them.You would be best to use Bikes and Koptas,unless the koptas don't give the automatyic cover save,in which case use bikers.

A DC with jump pack is 35 points per model IIRC. 30 man DC with jump pac will be over a thousand points without power weapons.

Feth!I am switching to BA and buying 30 DC.

3+ with FNP is no harder that 2+. However, 30 terminators are still a problem.

You must become a Master Baiter.

Lure them around and laugh.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:You must become a Master Baiter.

Lure them around and laugh.

Do you Master Bait and laugh alot?

Mostly cry.... lol

I know that feel bro.