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Chapter Master Arcture Fangblade 215
Chapter master
Artificer Armour
Digital Weapons
Jump Pack
Relic Blade
Combi-Flamer

Tactical Squad Azeroth 205
10 Tactical Marines
Plasma Gun
Lascannon
Sergeant
Power Weapon

Tactical Squad Zerox 180
10 Tactical Marines
Flamer
Missile launcher
Sergeant
Combi-Flamer

Assault Squad Arcture 230
10 Assault Marines
2 Flamers
Sergeant
Power Weapon
Combat Shield

Vanguard Squad Titain 265
5 Vanguard Veterans
Jump Packs
All have power weapons
Sergeant
Relic Blade

Arcture’s Pride 165
Predator
Sponson mounted Lascannon
Twin-linked Lascannon

The Bane 125
Vindicator
Storm Bolter

The Hell Cannon 115
Vindicator

For fluff, I can't tell you.
For pure strategy, sadly it isn't.

Some issues:
Tac Marines need rhinos/razors/drop pods. They need transport. Tac squads should be fun bland in this list, with flamer/ML or melta-gun/MM.

Assault squads are not considered competitive, and that 230 point sink could be better used eslewhere.
Vanguard are one of the worst units in our codex. As such, you should drop them. Remove the Assault squad/Vanguard squad and instead take 5 termies w/TH/SS and a LR (C/R).

Anyway, sorry to say this, but your list is not that good. Tac squads are too expensive and have no transport (rhino + ml/flamer squad = 205).
The Chapter Master is way too expensive. Make him a captan, give him relic blade/artificer armor (145 points) and lose that 70 points sink.

Sorry to sound harsh, but this list is very weak.

It's perfect! PERFECT!

You want to know why?

You've named them and have back stories! Don't min/max for the most competitive army, what you have is PERFECT!

Where do you live, bro?

Before you get disheartened:

You're list obviously has some well thought out fluff, and that's important. If you'll have fun with it, then it's a good list.

But it's not competitive, and you will lose almost every game you play with it, especially if facing competitive players.

Some rules of thumb:
1) Tac squads need transport of some kind
2) You're HQ is waaaaaay to expensive. Captain, artificer, relic blade. That's 145 points. No higher than that.
3) Assault squads ain't that competitive.
4) Vanguard Squads are like a diseased prostitute. Avoid them at all costs for competitive armies.


Also, an AC/LC sponsoon pred might suit you better. And keep those tac squads flamer/ML, melta-gun/MM

Hey Hey
well, I say its pretty fine and only need a some tweaks...That is if you plan not to play competativly. This list will get bashed up by people on the forum for two reason, the vanguard and the chapter master even if your NOT playing competativly. People hate them for whatever reason and will tell you to change them.
Well they hate them for good reason, it is a point sink but i say go for it, it is very fun flying around killing everything.

Any way. To make this list "good" you have to give Tacticals rhinos and drop the Lascannon and Plasma on the First tactical to something else. Oh and the Combat Shield on the assault squad aint that good. To find room for those Rhinos, drop the TL Las on the Predator, and drop the combi flamers on master and tact (you already have a flamer) and if you wish, the storm bolter on the vindicator. See what you can do to get those transports in, That is the defining factor of "good"

THanks guys. Big help

What they say is true if you want to be more competitive, efficient, and effective. LC/TL-Plas Razorbacks are also popular.

People bag on the Chapter Master because you pay 25 points for a single shot super nasty pie plate. It's fun and terrifying though, to be on the other side of that......particularly with a foot slogger army.

I used to play space marines and I currently play chaos marines for 40k and I must say chapter masters are rubbish they are so easy to killl ive had a champion kill one first off remove the relic blade off any hq you take a str6 power weapon aint as good as it seems same with digital weapons its all well and good but your stopping yourself from getting the extra attack with the two handed weapon and the digital weapons only provide one re roll drop the combi flamer and just take a normal bolter with hell fire rounds because the hell fire rounds allows your bolt gun to wound on a 2+ against anything no matter the toughness (My Chaos Khorne Lord on bike hates this alot) and if your going to give him artificer you might as well just give him terminator armour which is just as good plus it allows you to deep strike hope this helps

Disagree on the terminator armor, personally, if you want to be able to make sweeping advances, or take less space on transports.

As far as Chapter Masters/Captains, I don't think they're rubbish: I once had an opponent make 12 consecutive invuln 4+ rolls over 3 assault phases and kill my Warboss.

The odds are unlikely, but they do have some staying power.

MannfredVonCarstein1994 wrote:I used to play space marines and I currently play chaos marines for 40k and I must say chapter masters are rubbish they are so easy to killl ive had a champion kill one first off remove the relic blade off any hq you take a str6 power weapon aint as good as it seems same with digital weapons its all well and good but your stopping yourself from getting the extra attack with the two handed weapon and the digital weapons only provide one re roll drop the combi flamer and just take a normal bolter with hell fire rounds because the hell fire rounds allows your bolt gun to wound on a 2+ against anything no matter the toughness (My Chaos Khorne Lord on bike hates this alot) and if your going to give him artificer you might as well just give him terminator armour which is just as good plus it allows you to deep strike hope this helps

Wow wow, whats not to love about a str 6 power weapon striking at i5? Also the chapter master doesn't have the option of hell fire rounds. Also termie armour sucks for the captain/chapter master, they already have a 4+ inv so the only advantage terminator armour has is to deepstrike (which isn't great) and its a) more expensive b) means you can't sweeping advance and c) means your only transport is a LR variant.

Back to the army list, the idea of a couple of vindicators plowing forward with the marines marching up behind sounds very much like IG :-P could be a viable tactic though.

For Fluff I wouldn't use references to WoW

Why not i doubt anyone cares, its also his army.

Actually, It is my Dad's army!


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Captain Arcture Fangblade 145
Captain
Relic Blade
Artificer Armour

Arcture’s Knights 270
6 Terminators
Cyclone Missile Launcher

The Titans 280
7 Assault Terminators

Tactical Squad Azeroth 250
10 Tactical Marines
Lascannon
Melta Gun
Sergeant
Power fist
Drop Pod

These dudes are Tank hunters

Tactical Squad Zerox 205
10 Tactical Marines
Flamer
Missile launcher
Sergeant
Drop Pod

Infantry Hunters

Arcture’s Pride 120
Predator
Sponson mounted Lascannon

The Bane 115
Vindicator

The Hell Cannon 115
Vindicator



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This is my revised list

Captain Arcture Fangblade 145
Captain
Relic Blade
Artificer Armour

Arcture's Knights 400
10 Assault Terminators
All have Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields

Dreadnaught 150
Drop Pod

Tactical Squad Azeroth 250
10 Tactical Marines
Lascannon
Melta Gun
Sergeant
Power fist
Drop Pod

These dudes are Tank hunters

Tactical Squad Zerox 205
10 Tactical Marines
Flamer
Missile launcher
Sergeant
Drop Pod

Infantry Hunters

Arcture’s Pride 120
Predator
Sponson mounted Lascannon

The Bane 115
Vindicator

The Hell Cannon 115
Vindicator

ANYBODY OUT THERE?

The newest iteration of the list looks better, my only worry would be the Terminators getting the piss shot out of them before they could get into the fight. Granted you could deep strike them but unless they land in a nice spot they're going to get picked off FAST

CaptainJay wrote:

MannfredVonCarstein1994 wrote:I used to play space marines and I currently play chaos marines for 40k and I must say chapter masters are rubbish they are so easy to killl ive had a champion kill one first off remove the relic blade off any hq you take a str6 power weapon aint as good as it seems same with digital weapons its all well and good but your stopping yourself from getting the extra attack with the two handed weapon and the digital weapons only provide one re roll drop the combi flamer and just take a normal bolter with hell fire rounds because the hell fire rounds allows your bolt gun to wound on a 2+ against anything no matter the toughness (My Chaos Khorne Lord on bike hates this alot) and if your going to give him artificer you might as well just give him terminator armour which is just as good plus it allows you to deep strike hope this helps

Wow wow, whats not to love about a str 6 power weapon striking at i5? Also the chapter master doesn't have the option of hell fire rounds. Also termie armour sucks for the captain/chapter master, they already have a 4+ inv so the only advantage terminator armour has is to deepstrike (which isn't great) and its a) more expensive b) means you can't sweeping advance and c) means your only transport is a LR variant.

the chapter master and captain can have hellfire rounds they both have the option

RandomSauce19 wrote:For Fluff I wouldn't use references to WoW

Lol I meant to write "whoa whoa" (as in hang on a minute)

tomsev wrote:

CaptainJay wrote:

MannfredVonCarstein1994 wrote:I used to play space marines and I currently play chaos marines for 40k and I must say chapter masters are rubbish they are so easy to killl ive had a champion kill one first off remove the relic blade off any hq you take a str6 power weapon aint as good as it seems same with digital weapons its all well and good but your stopping yourself from getting the extra attack with the two handed weapon and the digital weapons only provide one re roll drop the combi flamer and just take a normal bolter with hell fire rounds because the hell fire rounds allows your bolt gun to wound on a 2+ against anything no matter the toughness (My Chaos Khorne Lord on bike hates this alot) and if your going to give him artificer you might as well just give him terminator armour which is just as good plus it allows you to deep strike hope this helps

Wow wow, whats not to love about a str 6 power weapon striking at i5? Also the chapter master doesn't have the option of hell fire rounds. Also termie armour sucks for the captain/chapter master, they already have a 4+ inv so the only advantage terminator armour has is to deepstrike (which isn't great) and its a) more expensive b) means you can't sweeping advance and c) means your only transport is a LR variant.

the chapter master and captain can have hellfire rounds they both have the option

My bad, still the other points stand.

With Hellfire Rounds, I would think that they would only be good with a stormbolter as other guns don't shoot enought shots.