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The shockwaves from their IMPACTS ripped holes in the MONASTERY. I can't tell if this is bad as the Emperor and Russ moving as a "blur" when they fought. Either way, it comes off as stupidly anime-listic and full of weebo catering.
What do you guys think about this power level?

Well powerful as in, 'it's over 9000!?' or power as in political power. Despite his strength, I think Vulkan/Guilliman could probably muster more political power to deal with him.

Magnus was crazy psychic powerful, too.

terranarc wrote:
The shockwaves from their IMPACTS ripped holes in the MONASTERY. I can't tell if this is bad as the Emperor and Russ moving as a "blur" when they fought. Either way, it comes off as stupidly anime-listic and full of weebo catering.
What do you guys think about this power level?

Magnus could kill Titans under his own power, and has done so on at least two occasions.

Fulgrim could cut in half Wave Serpents and crushed the neck of an Avatar of Khaine with his bare hands.

Hell, normal Eldar move so fast as to be blurs to normal humans.

This is nothing out of the ordinary for a Primarch.

Hell, Draigo destroyed the fething Impossible City of Tzeentch, and burned down the Garden of Nurgle.

The C'tan could easily destroy star systems under their own power.

Lion, as a Primarch, is powerful, but not the strongest, and he is certainly not the strongest character.

Yea not so much. The Big E could snuff him out like he did Horus.

The strongest primarch? Lets not go there....

terranarc wrote:
The shockwaves from their IMPACTS ripped holes in the MONASTERY. I can't tell if this is bad as the Emperor and Russ moving as a "blur" when they fought. Either way, it comes off as stupidly anime-listic and full of weebo catering.
What do you guys think about this power level?

Weebo catering? Anime-listic? Wasn't a lot of this lore written before these things really, became a thing?

Also, Primarchs are the "children" of the Emperor, what did you expect here? Pretty much all of them have some ridiculous stories about feats of strength.

Dreadwinter wrote:Weebo catering? Anime-listic? Wasn't a lot of this lore written before these things really, became a thing?

Also, Primarchs are the "children" of the Emperor, what did you expect here? Pretty much all of them have some ridiculous stories about feats of strength.

Which can be taken literally

Leman Russ destroyed a titan with good ole' fashion fisticuffs.

DarknessEternal wrote:Leman Russ destroyed a titan with good ole' fashion fisticuffs.

Huh, got a source for this?

I really see so much of this as legends the Chapters and the IoM has spun through the ages.

LumenPraebeo wrote:

Dreadwinter wrote:Weebo catering? Anime-listic? Wasn't a lot of this lore written before these things really, became a thing?

Also, Primarchs are the "children" of the Emperor, what did you expect here? Pretty much all of them have some ridiculous stories about feats of strength.

Which can be taken literally

Not one bit of it implies that it's not a literal account of what happens. I mean, you don't see people denying draigo as "propagandistic"

Void__Dragon wrote:Hell, Draigo destroyed the fething Impossible City of Tzeentch, and burned down the Garden of Nurgle

This is Draigo fluff, lets not even go there. In my books one man no matter how superhuman or psychic could never ever take on any type of god and win. For me, that is all BS.

Void__Dragon wrote:

terranarc wrote:
The shockwaves from their IMPACTS ripped holes in the MONASTERY. I can't tell if this is bad as the Emperor and Russ moving as a "blur" when they fought. Either way, it comes off as stupidly anime-listic and full of weebo catering.
What do you guys think about this power level?

Magnus could kill Titans under his own power, and has done so on at least two occasions.

Fulgrim could cut in half Wave Serpents and crushed the neck of an Avatar of Khaine with his bare hands.

Hell, normal Eldar move so fast as to be blurs to normal humans.

This is nothing out of the ordinary for a Primarch.

Hell, Draigo destroyed the fething Impossible City of Tzeentch, and burned down the Garden of Nurgle.

The C'tan could easily destroy star systems under their own power.

Lion, as a Primarch, is powerful, but not the strongest, and he is certainly not the strongest character.

And Calgar hit Avatar of Kaine in the face and destroy him.

Mephisto tear apart Carnifex with his own bare hands.

Varnus killed the Grater Daemon of Khorne with one hit from his Crozus Arcanum ( you know, the one you need 10 Grey Knight Terminators fighting for several minuters... and he done that in 2 seconds ).

Oh, and O'Kais Fire Warrior killed 5 Tactical Mairnes in CC in "Fire Warrior".

In 40k - gak happenes.

He might not be the most powerful but he is the biggest wimp.

Sucker punching Russ when he'd realised how silly the fight between the pair was.

And in the now retconned history, stabbing the defencless and uncaring Russ in the chest with a sword when he confronted him in the aftermath of the battle for Terra. He intended to kill but the Lion realised his mistake in time.

Or maybe it means the lion is one of the weakest Primarchs, as a space marine could be elevated by chaos to a power level matching him.
the planet was been torn apart wasn't it? So they weren't even causing that much damage, it was just happening around them.

Seriously, the power level of the Primarchs and characters seems to fluctuate so much in the fluff that many could claim to be most powerful.

Draigo probably would win though. He's the best. I think he's the star child.

Kijamon wrote:He might not be the most powerful but he is the biggest wimp.

Sucker punching Russ when he'd realised how silly the fight between the pair was.

And in the now retconned history, stabbing the defencless and uncaring Russ in the chest with a sword when he confronted him in the aftermath of the battle for Terra. He intended to kill but the Lion realised his mistake in time.

Leman Russ started the fight with a sucker punch. The Lion ended it with one.

Since when is Draigo a primarch?

snake wrote:Since when is Draigo a primarch?

Check the title, it says "primarch/character," that's why I mentioned non-Primarchs like Draigo.

My bad. I think any primarch would own draigo though. Theres a reason they can't be represented on the tabletop and he can.

snake wrote:My bad. I think any primarch would own draigo though. Theres a reason they can't be represented on the tabletop and he can.

You're not particularly familiar with Draigo's fluff then.

He's already defeated Mortarion, Daemon Primarch, alone and unaided, and carved the name of the original Supreme Grey Master of the Grey Knights on his heart.

I think the primary reason the Primarch's don't have representation on the tabletop is because they would never be able to live up to their fanclub's expectations.

Stats for Angron have been provided before in a White Dwarf. I don't have the scan on me, unfortunately, but he wasn't an instant-win unit.

Ironsight wrote:I think the primary reason the Primarch's don't have representation on the tabletop is because they would never be able to live up to their fanclub's expectations.

Stats for Angron have been provided before in a White Dwarf. I don't have the scan on me, unfortunately, but he wasn't an instant-win unit.

For anyone who is interested, the rules are right here, 3rd page of pdf:

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2110495_The_Battle_for_Armageddon

He is a bit underwhelming, IMO.

Brother Coa wrote: Oh, and O'Kais Fire Warrior killed 5 Tactical Mairnes in CC in "Fire Warrior".

He did more than that he took out multiple chaos marines, demons, a dreadnaught, a demon prince, and a titan. If all of the tau were half as tough as him they would be unstopable.

Void__Dragon wrote:

Ironsight wrote:I think the primary reason the Primarch's don't have representation on the tabletop is because they would never be able to live up to their fanclub's expectations.

Stats for Angron have been provided before in a White Dwarf. I don't have the scan on me, unfortunately, but he wasn't an instant-win unit.

For anyone who is interested, the rules are right here, 3rd page of pdf:

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2110495_The_Battle_for_Armageddon

He is a bit underwhelming, IMO.

OT
Wow 4+ invuln and T6 is pretty weak on a Daemon Prince Primarch if you ask me, but 2-12 Bloodthirsters as a retinue? That's awesome.
/OT

Void__Dragon wrote:

snake wrote:My bad. I think any primarch would own draigo though. Theres a reason they can't be represented on the tabletop and he can.

You're not particularly familiar with Draigo's fluff then.

He's already defeated Mortarion, Daemon Primarch, alone and unaided, and carved the name of the original Supreme Grey Master of the Grey Knights on his heart.

I now understand the nerd rage at Matt Ward.

Obrek wrote:
OT
Wow 4+ invuln and T6 is pretty weak on a Daemon Prince Primarch if you ask me, but 2-12 Bloodthirsters as a retinue? That's awesome.
/OT

It was just the nail in the coffin of the super-god-primarch fanboys.

snake wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:

snake wrote:My bad. I think any primarch would own draigo though. Theres a reason they can't be represented on the tabletop and he can.

You're not particularly familiar with Draigo's fluff then.

He's already defeated Mortarion, Daemon Primarch, alone and unaided, and carved the name of the original Supreme Grey Master of the Grey Knights on his heart.

I now understand the nerd rage at Matt Ward.

According to Draigo fluff he also went back in time, pimp slapped Horus, and tattooed his name on Horus' lower back as a tramp stamp. Draigo fluff isn't really fluff, it's just reaffirming Draigo's position as the Chuck Norris of the 41st millennium.

in terms of a head to head IF magnus powers are what he brags then he would be otherwise you can tell logar is weak as hell and fulgrim beat on of his brothers but they never really have a brawl so you wont be able to determine anything

DarknessEternal wrote:

Obrek wrote:
OT
Wow 4+ invuln and T6 is pretty weak on a Daemon Prince Primarch if you ask me, but 2-12 Bloodthirsters as a retinue? That's awesome.
/OT

It was just the nail in the coffin of the super-god-primarch fanboys.

Or a poor attempt at rules, or a result of needing to scale down fluff to fit into the game (akin to Space (v.s. Movie) Marines)? Look at the gods that are C'tan; they're arguably worse than Angron in-game, but are gods in the background.

Void__Dragon wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:Leman Russ destroyed a titan with good ole' fashion fisticuffs.

Huh, got a source for this?

Very old source IIRC. Would probably be considered by many to be outdated/void.

As far as being tuff, didn't the Lion come close to getting his butt handed to him by Curze in a one on one fight? I know both were beaten down to what might be considered a draw, but if you read the text, Curze appears to have gotten the better of the fight.

Just Dave wrote:Very old source IIRC. Would probably be considered by many to be outdated/void.

Can you recall the specific source, or the context? Aka was it a Space Wolf legend or a factual account?