The Lion El'Jonson. Most powerful primarch/character ever?

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**iproxtaco**

Collected Visions or possibly Realm of Chaos is where I remember it.

**Void__Dragon**

UrbanCowboy wrote:Im wondering where the detailed account of the battle between the emperor and horus is found. The details such as the Emperor's arm being ripped off and him having his back broken and eye put out are some what new to me. I do agree with void that logic clearly dictates that the emperor could not find a way to disable horus as an actual threat without hurting horus. The limits of the Emperor's power in relation to horus begin to materialize there.

There are a few accounts, though nothing completely in-depth that I can recall.

I do know that his corpse on the Golden Throne is missing an arm though.

**Fairfeldia**

horus was in my opinion not as evil as every one thought he was, chances are he wanted the emperor to surrender, hence the amount of mortal blows but not finishing blows, and the fact that dearest Horus got a little bit upset when the Daemon inside Fulgrim handed him Ferrus' head

oh and an Adeptus Custode strolling into the room is always handy, Horus clearly killed him just to look hard

**English Assassin**

UrbanCowboy wrote:Im wondering where the detailed account of the battle between the emperor and horus is found. The details such as the Emperor's arm being ripped off and him having his back broken and eye put out are some what new to me. I do agree with void that logic clearly dictates that the emperor could not find a way to disable horus as an actual threat without hurting horus. The limits of the Emperor's power in relation to horus begin to materialize there.

I don't have the books on hand to check, but if memory serves, the rulebooks to both the original 1993 Horus Heresy and the Fantasy Flight revamp, and White Dwarf 161 (which contained the cut-out-and-keep game Warmaster) all contain retellings of the story in various iterations - it's a story worth reading.

Fairfeldia wrote:horus was in my opinion not as evil as every one thought he was, chances are he wanted the emperor to surrender, hence the amount of mortal blows but not finishing blows, and the fact that dearest Horus got a little bit upset when the Daemon inside Fulgrim handed him Ferrus' head

Actually reading any of the above would disabuse you of that notion.

**Void__Dragon**

Fairfeldia wrote:horus was in my opinion not as evil as every one thought he was, chances are he wanted the emperor to surrender, hence the amount of mortal blows but not finishing blows, and the fact that dearest Horus got a little bit upset when the Daemon inside Fulgrim handed him Ferrus' head

oh and an Adeptus Custode strolling into the room is always handy, Horus clearly killed him just to look hard

Eh, sorta not really.

Horus wasn't fully corrupted when the head of Ferrus Manus was brought to him.

Now, he did hesitate on dealing a fatal blow at the last moment according to the Chaos Marines codex, but he still very much wanted to cast his father down and conquer the Imperium. He just killed the brother he was once closest to before fighting his father, after all.

**Fairfeldia**

but he tried to bring Sangy to his side first because he didnt want to kill him

**CthuluIsSpy**

Fairfeldia wrote:horus was in my opinion not as evil as every one thought he was, chances are he wanted the emperor to surrender, hence the amount of mortal blows but not finishing blows, and the fact that dearest Horus got a little bit upset when the Daemon inside Fulgrim handed him Ferrus' head

oh and an Adeptus Custode strolling into the room is always handy, Horus clearly killed him just to look hard

LIES! It was Ollanius Pius, patron saint of the IG who got wasted. (This was retconned, but I prefer this version. Much more badass that way

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**AustonT**

Fairfeldia wrote:but he tried to bring Sangy to his side first because he didnt want to kill him

and succeeded (dun dun dunnnnnnnn)

**flota**

in the old bill king story( i think that was the author)
from the emperor POV, it clearly states that He went there with the idea to bring horus to his senses thats why He didnt fight with all his might... the moment that changes horus is gone

**Nicholas**

Fairfeldia wrote:but he tried to bring Sangy to his side first because he didnt want to kill him

Doesn't mean he wasn't evil. He knew that Sanguinus was strong so he wanted his brother on his side.

**Deadshot**

Sanguinius was his closest brother. That's why he wanted him on his side, much like Fulgrim wanted Manus to join him, so that they wouldn't have to kill their closest brothers.

**SomeRandomEvilGuy**

Deadshot wrote:Sanguinius was his closest brother. That's why he wanted him on his side, much like Fulgrim wanted Manus to join him, so that they wouldn't have to kill their closest brothers.

That and he would be another powerful ally to have. Moreover, I think that the agonising death Horus willingly gave Sanguinius proves that Horus and been utterly corrupted and was by that point evil.