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Anyone seen this? I found it really interesting....basically reminds me of why I dont bother voting. I also hope for something serious to happen globally in my lifetime...not because I'm a masochist or just enjoy the idea of turmoil...but b/c I'd rather see some sort of actual "progress" that we don't have in our culture or society right now. Change acutally requires something horrible to occur before people react.

Anyway...I just thought that this movie would be a great subject for discussion.

Please though...if you havent watched it, you don't have an opinion worth listening to. Watch it b4 you start bashing.


EDIT:Actually...I just found an interesting summary of "the Zeitgeist movement" so if you're insistant on not spending 2 and a half hours......

Summary of the "summary" for those who don't even want to waste 10 minutes

1. 00:00-2:30, vague concepts and saying bad things are bad
2. ~2:30-3:30, abolish all countries this is a good idea I swear
3. ~3:30-4:00, my standard of "civilized" is higher than yours
4. ~4:00-5:00, science! bombs get stronger! the system is broken!
5. ~5:00-6:00, sustainability is good, consumerism is bad (duh), the economy is a conspiracy, the free market is evil
6. ~6:00-6:30, the system is bad and impossible to make good, we should change everything
7. ~6:30-7:00, resources are important (duh), some resources are limited (duh)
8. ~7:00-7:30, we have to survey the planet and determine how much of everything there is (????), determine what the "carrying capacity of the earth" is (???????????????)
9. ~7:30-8:30, survey the planet and objectively assess what places have what resources (????)
10. ~8:30-9:00, design a new society based on the "survey" you have done on the planet and determine how many hospitals you need (????), base everything on statistics (?????????)
11. ~9:00-9:30, technology! another picture of a future city! technology! depth of field!
12: ~9:30-10:15, weigh all parameters and you will have a perfect society!


That was the most embarrassing garbage I have ever watched. As an engineer I am saddened that some people think that this is an actual, practical, effective, or even good "in theory" idea. The people who produced this video display a disappointing knowledge of science, technology, and how technological and societal advancements work.

Cool, we get ultra-globalized eugenics-lite completely based on science and natural resources, that tries to defeat a system based on autonomy of resources by making us completely reliant on technology, and put the entire faith and responsiblity of humanity into a conceptual 'artificial intelligence' that is a single entity that controls everything.

Please explain to me what the feth you have to smoke to make this make sense and where I can get some of it.

This is. . . . worse than t-rexes eating coconuts.

I couldn't even get through the first two minutes of the summary. The first two minutes hurt my brain with the vague comments about...things and stuff, and established facts we already know. Of course the world is a closed system, I think we figured that out when we established the world was round.

This guy's grandmother seems like a really sore loser. "You beat me at monopoly. Too bad you're going to die someday, kid!" Goodness, what a vindictive old hag.

I watched the first 15 minutes so far, I have to take a break. Even the summary is friggin' ponderous.

Deadshane1 wrote:...but b/c I'd rather see some sort of actual "progress" that we don't have in our culture or society right now.

What is progress?


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Monster Rain wrote:This guy's grandmother seems like a really sore loser. "You beat me at monopoly. Too bad you're going to die someday, kid!" Goodness, what a vindictive old hag.

I watched the first 15 minutes so far, I have to take a break. Even the summary is friggin' ponderous.

Honestly, I had to stop because my stomach cramped due to laughter.

Screw this, this is the next generation's problem.

Wait, I'm the next generation. feth.

dogma wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:...but b/c I'd rather see some sort of actual "progress" that we don't have in our culture or society right now.

What is progress?


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Monster Rain wrote:This guy's grandmother seems like a really sore loser. "You beat me at monopoly. Too bad you're going to die someday, kid!" Goodness, what a vindictive old hag.

I watched the first 15 minutes so far, I have to take a break. Even the summary is friggin' ponderous.

Honestly, I had to stop because my stomach cramped due to laughter.

Apparently, Deadshane, being an authority on such matters, deems all the advances in science, technology, cultural freedom and equality, standard of living, and any related matters "not progress".

Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one laughing my ass off.

Chowderhead wrote:Screw this, this is the next generation's problem.

Wait, I'm the next generation. feth.

Become a scientist or engineer to fix your generation's problems. Or become a college dropout and make videos about how many problems we will have and how someone should fix them.

ph34r wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:Screw this, this is the next generation's problem.

Wait, I'm the next generation. feth.

Become a scientist or engineer to fix your generation's problems. Or become a college dropout and make videos about how many problems we will have and how someone should fix them.

But I wanna be a firefighter!

Fine, I'll go solve the world's problems. Give me half a turkey sandwich, Nuclear Launch Keys, and accesses to Cheyenne mountain. I'll fix it all.

I can do all of that except the sandwich. You will have to live with ham.

I don't eat ham. Do you have Roast Beef?

Also, I'm at 6 minutes, and laughing my head off.

Oh, oh God no. Sapolsky doesn't understand determinism and never has.

"WW2 is bad because we wasted resources."

Go youself. Most of my family died in the holocaust. War happened because Hitler became a land grabbing, anti-Semitic douche-bag.

ph34r wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:Screw this, this is the next generation's problem.

Wait, I'm the next generation. feth.

Become a scientist or engineer to fix your generation's problems. Or become a college dropout and make videos about how many problems we will have and how someone should fix them.

Correction. "High School" drop out, IIRC.

Then he taught himself science!

Anyway, I watched the summary. My Own Private Watching Thread.

Apparently we should get rid of our prisons in order to be civilized?

What do we do with our murderers and child molesters, then? This thing sounds like a bunch of stoned 14 year olds discussing the world's problems.

Ah, so we should limit how many people are on the earth? What happens when we exceed it, if we haven't already?

Do these people have any idea how much of our precious and limited resources completely restructuring a global society and inventorying the world's resources would consume?


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dogma wrote:Oh, oh God no. Sapolsky doesn't understand determinism and never has.

I've got a humble amount of post high school psychology education, and I thought it was pretty well established that "Nature" and "Nurture" aren't mutually exclusive. I suppose that if someone didn't know these things then this guy would seem like an authority.

Chowderhead wrote:
Go youself. Most of my family died in the holocaust..

And?


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Monster Rain wrote:
I've got a humble amount of post high school psychology education, and I thought it was pretty well established that "Nature" and "Nurture" aren't mutually exclusive. I suppose that if someone didn't know these things then this guy would seem like an authority.

I can't get over the idea that nature is deterministic, but man is not, because apparently man is not part of nature.

dogma wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:
Go youself. Most of my family died in the holocaust..

And?

The broadcaster talked about WW2 in a way that suggested that it was un-needed and useless. I find that offensive.

dogma wrote:I can't get over the idea that nature is deterministic, but man is not, because apparently man is not part of nature.

It seems to almost touch on a mystical sort of "The Secret" sort of thing at times that I find equally amusing and sad.

Chowderhead wrote:
The broadcaster talked about WW2 in a way that suggested that it was un-needed and useless. I find that offensive.

Why?


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Monster Rain wrote:
It seems to almost touch on a mystical sort of "The Secret" sort of thing at times that I find equally amusing and sad.

That was the first thing the music reminded me of.

dogma wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:
The broadcaster talked about WW2 in a way that suggested that it was un-needed and useless. I find that offensive.

Why?

Because if WW2 never happened, I would be dead, my family would be dead, my people would be dead, and everyone would be killing all non-Aryans.

dogma wrote:That was the first thing the music reminded me of.

Well, that and the newer Battlestar Galactica.

And, well, forget about that other thing. Too late now.

I like all the bashing. Especially since noone has actually made any substantial arguements against anything the video or the idea in general talks about.

"I watched part of it."

"It's stupid."

"You're stupid for posting it...but I'll offer no serious arguement against the ideas within."

Constructive.

"WW2 is bad because we wasted resources."

Go youself. Most of my family died in the holocaust. War happened because Hitler became a land grabbing, anti-Semitic douche-bag.

I see you completely missed the point.

Chowderhead wrote:
Because if WW2 never happened, I would be dead, my family would be dead, my people would be dead, and everyone would be killing all non-Aryans.

There were Jews outside Europe, you know.

Also, there was no guarantee that the Germans would have taken the continent.

dogma wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:
Because if WW2 never happened, I would be dead, my family would be dead, my people would be dead, and everyone would be killing all non-Aryans.

There were Jews outside Europe, you know.

Also, there was no guarantee that the Germans would have taken the continent.

Well, A. I'm Polish, so I was dead from the start if they never fled, and B. If no-one put up a fight, the Nazi's would have steamrolled Europe.

Deadshane1 wrote:I like all the bashing. Especially since noone has actually made any substantial arguements against anything the video or the idea in general talks about.

Yeah, derivative humanism that is poorly explained.

Chowderhead wrote:Because if WW2 never happened, I would be dead, my family would be dead, my people would be dead, and everyone would be killing all non-Aryans.

So, if there was no war where people were dying....you would be dead?

Huh?

You're making no sense whatsoever.

I'm commenting as I watch it, and I'm pretty sure I gave some substantive rebuttals.

Especially that bit about his harridan of a grandmother.

Deadshane1 wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:Because if WW2 never happened, I would be dead, my family would be dead, my people would be dead, and everyone would be killing all non-Aryans.

So, if there was no war where people were dying....you would be dead?

Huh?

You're making no sense whatsoever.

Holocaust =/= War. My Grandparents were vorn in Poland, and they were the only ones to come to America.